Ukraine End Game? US supporters should hang their heads in shame.

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Too true. Paddo is doing the right thing and discussing these topics in the off section. My comment was not that he shouldn’t post here, but more why did he start a new thread when he could have just posted in the existing one.

Attention seeker - quite simply. Sad life he lives.

[mightyrooster]

haha - no one gets it right all the time, especially me.

It would be boring if we were all perfect. Though there’s always those who think they’re always right. Know it all teenage kids come to mind

[mightyrooster]

Attention seeker - quite simply. Sad life he lives.

I think Paddo just doesn’t like to concede in a discussion or debate. The last thread pretty well ended in a stalemate and I wouldn’t be surprised if this one does as well.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Tosh Salvo. As the elected government Yanukovych was entitled to decide policy. US meddling (including a CIA sponsored "protest" TV station stirred the young who, like their GDR counterparts in the past, were sold on the freedom to shop. They bought a fantasy picture of the West being the Sheeple that the young are and now find that one can consume very little on minimal wages. It's the poorest and most corrupt nation in Europe.

Peace keeping in the Balkans? The "honourable US" myth? Give us a break puleez!

Johnny B, I'm off to watch my grandson play Paddo Colts u/16 game. He already knows far more than most adults about politics and History.

[Johnny Brass]

Tosh Salvo. As the elected government Yanukovych was entitled to decide policy. US meddling (including a CIA sponsored "protest" TV station stirred the young who, like their GDR counterparts in the past, were sold on the freedom to shop. They bought a fantasy picture of the West being the Sheeple that the young are and now find that one can consume very little on minimal wages. It's the poorest and most corrupt nation in Europe.

Peace keeping in the Balkans? The "honourable US" myth? Give us a break puleez!

Johnny B, I'm off to watch my grandson play Paddo Colts u/16 game. He already knows far more than most adults about politics and History.

My apologies Paddo I shouldn't have got personal and brought your family into it, I arked up when I saw you start another thread when the other one seemed to have died a natural death.
Millions of people displaced and thousands killed and you keep pointing your finger at the yanks, its a tragedy and there's only one person responsible however you wish to paint it.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=mightyrooster: Too true. Paddo is doing the right thing and discussing these topics in the off section. My comment was not that he shouldn't post here, but more why did he start a new thread when he could have just posted in the existing one.

What does it matter, really? Starting another thread, misusing the quote function? See, this is the trivial and the irrelevant attempting to win the day and I'm sad to say it's time honoured in Oz. It's the ad hominem "Aw look at Albo he's had a makeover" "Cop this old dodderor, what would he know?"

By supplying more and more military hardware, the US is right up to the armpits in ITS war but no body bags are arriving in Washington or anywhere else in the US though they are no doubt arriving in the hometowns of the foreign Right Wing volunteers who make up the bulk of the fascist militias. Would ordinary folk want to endure mass destruction for ideological principles irrelevant to most of them? They wouldn't but the fanatical anti Russian group that was brought to power by the US certainly would.

The US is not benign, Iran calls it "The Great Satan" and it has a long bloody history in that neck of the woods. Might Iran not be right? The CIA is also inflicting the Marcos family back on the Philippines. I keep saying it, but Malcolm Fraser warned us.

It was gratifying to see the polling reception that Dutton's "Prepare for war" got. Big own goal. Fortunately the Aussie Sheeple are just as war wary as they were in 1917 and that's a blessing.

[mightyrooster]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n931407][QUOTE=mightyrooster: Too true. Paddo is doing the right thing and discussing these topics in the off section. My comment was not that he shouldn't post here, but more why did he start a new thread when he could have just posted in the existing one.

What does it matter, really? Starting another thread, misusing the quote function? See, this is the trivial and the irrelevant attempting to win the day and I'm sad to say it's time honoured in Oz. It's the ad hominem "Aw look at Albo he's had a makeover" "Cop this old dodderor, what would he know?"

By supplying more and more military hardware, the US is right up to the armpits in ITS war but no body bags are arriving in Washington or anywhere else in the US though they are no doubt arriving in the hometowns of the foreign Right Wing volunteers who make up the bulk of the fascist militias. Would ordinary folk want to endure mass destruction for ideological principles irrelevant to most of them? They wouldn't but the fanatical anti Russian group that was brought to power by the US certainly would.

The US is not benign, Iran calls it "The Great Satan" and it has a long bloody history in that neck of the woods. Might Iran not be right? The CIA is also inflicting the Marcos family back on the Philippines. I keep saying it, but Malcolm Fraser warned us.

It was gratifying to see the polling reception that Dutton's "Prepare for war" got. Big own goal. Fortunately the Aussie Sheeple are just as war wary as they were in 1917 and that's a blessing.

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Well you know what Paddo, I have put forward reasonable arguments, as have others, countless times. Just because you choose to disagree with them does not mean they were never posted in the first place. I also posted these arguments long before resorting to comments about the misuse of the quote function and the starting up of new threads. Perhaps you could practise what you preach, as your deflection of other people's arguments by choosing to acknowledge these trivial comments instead, falls into the category of 'attempting to win the day' you are deriding.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Well to be fair, your "arguments' were more of the I hate the violence kind irrespective of how it might have come about.

That said, I had a good day watching the Colts play Forrestville Ferrets on Sunday at Narrabeen. The junior comp is unrecognizable these days, there has been an amalgamation Of Easts, Souths, Norths and Manly juniors and the grounds are far off - Dural last week.

Parents now attend in numbers which didn't happen in my day and the hosts do a Sizzle, beer and drinks. In this case it was the Narrabeen Sharks. Bondi United arrived looking much less athletic than the United sides that I remember (one guy was sporting a Yarmulke) but they were holding their own V Forrestville when I was leaving.

A beautiful day by the Narrabeen lagoon topped it off but I did feel some sadness at the parlous state of Junior League and its loss as a community focal point. I came in near the beginning of it and may well see the end of it.

[mightyrooster]

Well to be fair, your "arguments' were more of the I hate the violence kind irrespective of how it might have come about.

That said, I had a good day watching the Colts play Forrestville Ferrets on Sunday at Narrabeen. The junior comp is unrecognizable these days, there has been an amalgamation Of Easts, Souths, Norths and Manly juniors and the grounds are far off - Dural last week.

Parents now attend in numbers which didn't happen in my day and the hosts do a Sizzle, beer and drinks. In this case it was the Narrabeen Sharks. Bondi United arrived looking much less athletic than the United sides that I remember (one guy was sporting a Yarmulke) but they were holding their own V Forrestville when I was leaving.

A beautiful day by the Narrabeen lagoon topped it off but I did feel some sadness at the parlous state of Junior League and its loss as a community focal point. I came in near the beginning of it and may well see the end of it.

Just because you disagree with my ‘arguments’ doesn’t mean I didn’t have any. I have also told you many times I agree that US foreign policy causes more harm than good.

Glad you had a good day watching the junior footy. Was this your Grandson playing? I agree that the NRL needs to do something about rugby league at the grass roots level and in regional areas. Maybe you should start a new thread on that?

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Well to be fair, your "arguments' were more of the I hate the violence kind irrespective of how it might have come about.

Well to be just as fair your argument is mainstream media is all lies and Putin is a noble person and leader....all based on your personal judgment and random unknown and unqualified " independent" journalists opinions who are trying to make a name for themselves by offering a speculative alternative view. Now before you come back at me about your sources...i have read everything you have suggested and there was nothing of factual substance-just more personal opinions which (perhaps) suited your narrative.

So if i am a "sheepie" for agreeing with the logical majority then so be it....it beats believing in something you cannot see or verify-that's the basis of a conspiracy theorist.

[Paddo Colt 61]

As I've repeated many times, my main source on Ukraine is Pearls and Irritations a site hosted by a former high rank Australian public servant (former Head of PM and Cabinet under Whitlam and Fraser and former Chairman of QANTAS. Contributors are former diplomats, high rank former public servants and academics. I read other opinion like Crikey and Michael West but Pearls is the main one. It tells us that there is alternative intelligent media that appeals to progressive thought and discusses issues in ways that the MSM could't or wouldn't given that News is another political party staffed by low level hacks - the ones that you trust.

[Random Rooster]

As I've repeated many times, my main source on Ukraine is Pearls and Irritations a site hosted by a former high rank Australian public servant (former Head of PM and Cabinet under Whitlam and Fraser and former Chairman of QANTAS. Contributors are former diplomats, high rank former public servants and academics. I read other opinion like Crikey and Michael West but Pearls is the main one. It tells us that there is alternative intelligent media that appeals to progressive thought and discusses issues in ways that the MSM could't or wouldn't given that News is another political party staffed by low level hacks - the ones that you trust.

Im aware of John Menadue and his credentials from the first time you recommended his website. Australia is littered with former diplomats, ex-public servants and academics.....the majority of which are nobodies or educated idiots. I guarantee you none of them would set foot anywhere near Ukraine to see first hand the situation that is unfolding . Id like to see them exposing these alleged Nazi's first hand or at minimum show that attacking civilian targets and the use of cluster bombs is just a lie of the mainstream media. Its just too easy to sit behind a desk and play the blame game

[Paddo Colt 61]

There are none so blind as the anti intellectual. Better to trust American misinformation (WMDs for example), the Murdoch press or a bloke down at the pub??

The influence and the presence of Right Wing elements in the Ukraine government is well documented. The government has officially elevated WW2 local Nazis to national hero status and there is a national day dedicated to a WW2 ethnic cleanser nominated by Israel as a Holocaust war criminal.

The holdouts in Mariupol, The Azov battalion, is a paramilitary comprised mostly of foreign Nazis and responsible for the massacres in the East which prompted Russian intervention.

The advance east after D-Day was held up for weeks at the city of Caen with huge losses to the Brits and Canadians. The most effective and callous of the German defenders was the Yungen SS (graduates of Hitler Youth). So cruel and notorious did they become that when captured, most were shot out of hand. We can only hope that a similar fate awaits the Azovs.

[Random Rooster]

There are none so blind as the anti intellectual. Better to trust American misinformation (WMDs for example), the Murdoch press or a bloke down at the pub??

The influence and the presence of Right Wing elements in the Ukraine government is well documented. The government has officially elevated WW2 local Nazis to national hero status and there is a national day dedicated to a WW2 ethnic cleanser nominated by Israel as a Holocaust war criminal.

The holdouts in Mariupol, The Azov battalion, is a paramilitary comprised mostly of foreign Nazis and responsible for the massacres in the East which prompted Russian intervention.

The advance east after D-Day was held up for weeks at the city of Caen with huge losses to the Brits and Canadians. The most effective and callous of the German defenders was the Yungen SS (graduates of Hitler Youth). So cruel and notorious did they become that when captured, most were shot out of hand. We can only hope that a similar fate awaits the Azovs.

Propaganda used by Russia to justify the indiscriminate murder of civilians and civilian targets. Just like Putins invasion of Crimea it was justified by lies.

[Paddo Colt 61]

You're a Russiaphobe and a China one as well I'll bet. USA! USA! USA!