Federal Election

[eddie]

Yet you have the mindless effrontery to to share some random "gut feeling".

A gut feeling dating back through labour administrations since Whitlam.
It is not "time" at the moment.
But I'm not fooling myself that what I think changes anything.
I can only imagine that your pompous broadcasts help feed your ego or something.
I'm really neither left or right. I don't play the red versus blue game.
You seem to represent this new age type left-winger. Very aggressive and quick to bully anyone who doesn't jump on your bandwagon.

[eddie]

Do you have any opinions that aren't those of News Ltd?

You assume an awful lot as well.
My opinions are my own....................and I don't read news ltd.

[eddie]

Most of us aren't attracted to the nuclear option Edward ?

It's actually Edmund.

[eddie]

blah, blah, blah............abuse and blah, blah , blah

See all the practice I just got quoting your rubbish?
You should try it.

[Paddo Colt 61]

A waste of time reading your comments actually. Exactly which parts of my posts are "rubbish"? Feel free to elaborate. What we should hear from you is some context. What influences your "gut feelings" for example? Some indications of where you stand demographically and financially?

The working class tory has always been a mystery to me. We can see why the greedy professions are Tory and why, after Johnny Howard green lighted Tradies to tax free nirvana via the GST (which was touted to end the cash market but simply increased it) that they might become Tories but an ordinary bloke? What's in it for him/her? For example Pensioners (who are mostly those unable to self support) used to pay no tax at all. With the GST they pay 10% on everything. And who do you think is gonna pay off the trillion that the Libs have racked up? It won't be Harvey Norman, another Lib voter who no doubt thinks that the country can't afford Labor. None of that entered your "gut feeling"?

Will the real Edmund please stand up? Company Director, tax dodging tradie or outer suburban punter who follows Eastern Subs because the rich live there?

On the subject of Tradies, I often ask them for a cash price and then I dob them to the ATO. Greedy fcukers who pay employed tradesmen a minimum and then charge them out at double the rate as well as dodging tax. Nothing could could describe a Lib voter better.

[eddie]

Will the real Edmund please stand up? Company Director, tax dodging tradie or outer suburban punter who follows Eastern Subs because the rich live there?

No prob.
These days I exist on the pension.
I am a third generation Eastern Suburbs supporter and have never lived in the area.
My father grew up in Paddington before WW2 when that particular suburb was a bit of a slum.
Sorry to ruin your assumptions.

[eddie]

On the subject of Tradies, I often ask them for a cash price and then I dob them to the ATO. Greedy fcukers who pay employed tradesmen a minimum and then charge them out at double the rate as well as dodging tax. Nothing could could describe a Lib voter better.

You love stereo-typing.
But it suffices as an example of some of the "rubbish" you post.

Why highlight tradies as opposed to lawyers, estate agents, doctors, journalists and , dare I add, politicians?
There is good and bad in most things.

[eddie]

Oh yes....the GST.
Paul Keatings dream.
We were gonna end up with that eventually anyway.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=eddie; A gut feeling dating back through labour administrations since Whitlam.....I'm really neither left or right. I don't play the red versus blue game.

Not much you don't, you been at it since Whitlam and before. And you don't read News Ltd? Where do these Sky "gut feelings" come from then? Channels 7,9 &10? Same thing buddy.

History will be, and already is, kinder to Whitlam than Oz Sheeple opinion still is. He who opened the sun roof after a long dark age was egregiously done over by a foreign media mogul, arguably the CIA and a hostile Australian establishment but not before he gave us Medibank, an independent Foreign Service, The Trade Practices Act (Consumer protection and business regulation), The Family Law Act and free education for the working class among other things like recognising the existence of China, withdrawing from the US racist war in Vietnam and bringing Oz into the 20th century by cutting tariff protection. But your worker existence found things to be unhappy with that and you didn't get your "unhappiness" from the privately owned MSM? Give us a break?

Medicare will always be with us? Only someone who has been in a coma for the last 50 years could not know that Fraser abolished it (resurrected by Hawke), that Howard hoped to replace it by forcing people into PHI on which we continue to waste 40 billion of taxpayers' money. 40 bil that could add dental care to the Medicare ambit. Constantly there are Tory attempts to privatise aspects and that ain't gonna stop in a political outfit dominated by the professions.

Finally, you're a classic - arse out of your pants pensioner enduring the rising cost of living while still championing the political party which is your enemy in reality but you don't see it that way? Were mum and Dad tories? A catholic education? Or that very common "Don't call me working class, I'm better than them" - a Wannabe. If you don't control the hours that you work nor the conditions, you're working class and better get used to it.

[eddie]

Not much you don't, you been at it since Whitlam and before. And you don't read News Ltd? Where do these Sky "gut feelings" come from then? Channels 7,9 &10? Same thing buddy.

I know your philosophy.
One must find an independent news source, no matter how obscure, that agrees with all of ones preconceptions.

But when we see the odd news report, it doesn't equate to being force fed Murdochs opinion.
There's the horses mouth factor.
The PM talks, Albo talks, premiers talk, ministers talk, etc, etc
Is the concept of an individual forming an opinion based on experience and common sense alien to you?

[eddie]

Medicare will always be with us? Only someone who has been in a coma for the last 50 years could not know that Fraser abolished it (resurrected by Hawke), that Howard hoped to replace it by forcing people into PHI on which we continue to waste 40 billion of taxpayers' money. 40 bil that could add dental care to the Medicare ambit. Constantly there are Tory attempts to privatise aspects and that ain't gonna stop in a political outfit dominated by the professions.

Oh joy......now I get a lecture on the ancient history of the health care system.

My comment that you paraphrased concerned the current election.
I assure you that regardless of who wins the vote tomorrow, nobody will scrap medicare.

Which reminds me..............despite your waffle, insults and history lessons, you have failed to allay my fears on labours economic responsibility.
I've got to shuffle off and cast my drop in the ocean tomorrow and I remain undecided.
I really haven't lived in this electorate long enough to make an informed choice.

[eddie]

Finally, you're a classic - arse out of your pants pensioner enduring the rising cost of living while still championing the political party which is your enemy in reality but you don't see it that way? Were mum and Dad tories? A catholic education? Or that very common "Don't call me working class, I'm better than them" - a Wannabe. If you don't control the hours that you work nor the conditions, you're working class and better get used to it.

Things that make you go mmmmmmmmmmmmm.

The answer is none of the above.
I can't pretend that living on a pension hasn't involved some compromise.
That'd be the case no matter who reigns in Canberra.
But I don't complain.
I have much bigger problems than money.

[Paddo Colt 61]

The horses' mouths are a waste of time. Mostly they are sound bites or simplified declarations of virtue aimed at the lowest common denominator. For generations Conservatives have told the masses "This doesn't interest you, it's boring" and the great majority are in turn grateful to be relieved of the responsibility to think (even about their own economic interests). I know what they're like, I taught them for years and most people are indifferent to thought especially when some effort is required.

No my philosophy is just to look at how things go down. For example you would have believed, and possibly acted on, Howard's promise that there would never, ever be a GST only to find that one came along which had you paying 10% on all goods and services whereas before, as a pensioner, you paid no tax. You paid the same tax in that respect as Mr. Murdoch (Oh sorry, probably not, he doesn't pay much tax. The Libs gift him money). The GST is just one example of the Libs representing the interests of the rich. It's their Party after all. The fact that they get away with it time after time is remarkable but having a monopoly Media onside certainly helps.

Common sense is bullshit - what does it mean other than what I said re looking closely at something like the GST and the like. Otherwise it's believing bullshit and propaganda and being proud of that.

[eddie]

No my philosophy is just to look at how things go down. For example you would have believed, and possibly acted on, Howard's promise that there would never, ever be a GST only to find that one came along which had you paying 10% on all goods and services whereas before, as a pensioner, you paid no tax. You paid the same tax in that respect as Mr. Murdoch (Oh sorry, probably not, he doesn't pay much tax.

Well, the main reason why I was one of Keatings "true believers" was because I was against the GST.

[bondi.boy]

It's actually Edmund.

I'm very attracted to the nuclear option, and wish the US would start building nuclear weapons here as promised in the AUKUS Alliance.

We're sitting ducks, just like Ukraine.
Ukraine learnt the hard way the folly of disarming and signing nuclear non-proliferation treaties like Australia foolishly did.
Nuke arm or be enslaved!
...is what it's come to.