Federal Election

[Mickie Lane]

Losing the former Tory stronghold of Kooyong once held by Lib heavyweights Menzies and Peacock and with Sharma looking likely to lose Wentworth are the elites just trying to get to the afterlife without any regret?

Heya Skeez, good to see you posting again. You went a bit quiet there is everything alright?

[King Salvo]

I think people need to realise that Labor only received 30 odd % of the first preference vote so the majority didn't vote for them as a first preference. Only fuels the debate about compulsory preferential voting vs optional preferential voting especially when candidates are elected on preferences.

Currently Federally 1st Preference Vote - 68.2% of Voters first preference wasn't ALP.

L/NP - 35.7%
ALP - 31.8%

[King Salvo]

Irrespective of it being compulsory I consider voting my civic duty and as such look forward to every single election in the future so I can continue to vote the majors last and use my preferences in the best way possible to achieve my desired result

People are often surprised to hear that they voted in the Soviet Union - Of course the party selected the candidate who was the only one on the ballot paper but they still voted though.

We have more candidates to choose from but still the parties still pick the candidates.

Always questions about independents being elected as what can they really do or change - the only thing that seems to happen is either major party will throw money at the electorate if elected to win it back.

If people reside in rusted on L/NP or ALP electorates then not much will happen

[rented tracksuit]

Albo is, basically...well, you know.
I predict he'll go the way of Rudd, and will be replaced as PM by Shorten.

Or God help us Wong.

[Paddo Colt 61]

So the Tories didn't actually lose Salvo? The progressive win is illegitimate?

As in China (which the US Brookings institute rates the most popular government in terms of popular approval on Earth) the Party is the governing entity and only party members are eligible for election to the national congress which leaves the Sheeple out and fair enough because admission to the Party is not granted lightly, it requires a track record of service to the community over many years. Elected reps have policies and they coalesce in much the same way as parties function in other forms of government. There are 95 million members of the CCP and like the USSR they are not humanoids, they are seriously dedicated people with the best interests of the collective at heart.

[zac]

pretty much as expected. labor's a good chance to win an outright majority but have a big cross bench to work with if it's a minority govt. there will be more flexibility for the government than after the 2010 election.

i'm happy with the result but even if you're not, like scomo said, it's good to remember how lucky we are to live in a democracy where we have fair elections and governments can change without any silly buggers going on.

[mightyrooster]

The people have spoken. The rise of the independent in blue ribbon Liberal seats I think is the most interesting result of this election.

[Paddo Colt 61]

There was plenty of silly buggers going on 1974 - 75 Zac. Give up the cliches puleez.

The '75 coup stuffed the ALP. It showed where power really resided in Australia and it wasn't in the parliament. Never radical (too many Catholics for a start) the Party became tame cat and unwilling to challenge the policy parameters dictated by Murdoch (it even expanded his media power FFS) and, more often than not deferred to Government Right wing initiatives causing a cleft between its conservative blue collar support and that of the the Intelligentsia who, in vast numbers, defected to the Greens leaving what was/is widely seen as a compliant conservative rump. Tame cat on China, Climate, the US association and any number of things like tax cuts to the rich it has largely lost its cred with its educated support base and that is the reason for its dwindling primary vote. Let's hope that it grows a pair this time but that remains to be seen. At least we'll have an ICAC.

What is certain is the coming News Ltd backlash. In fact it's already started on the "question" of legitimacy given the size of its primary vote (see King Salvo's comment) which was never raised when Scummo won a one seat majority on Palmer preferences. In fact that narrow win was touted as a landslide.

When, in 2007, the Libs were in total disarray under the incompetent Brendan Nelson, Newscorp took on the role of opposition and within 6 months the very popular Rudd was transformed into a loser in the polls. He'd done the same with Gough and now stand by for the cacophonic daily "bucket of shit" for Albo.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=mightyrooster: The people have spoken. The rise of the independent in blue ribbon Liberal seats I think is the most interesting result of this election.

Well we'll see won't we, they are Libs at base after all. For mine it's the success of the Greens that is most interesting. Murdoch must be apoplectic.

Still it's good to see the growing power of well educated females in every party except for the Libs. Their misogyny played a big part in their undoing - all that kissing of wives bullshit.

[Andrew Walker]

The state of play so far. Fantastic to see 15 seats in the hands of minor parties.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/election...t=az&state=all

[mightyrooster]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n933944][QUOTE=mightyrooster: The people have spoken. The rise of the independent in blue ribbon Liberal seats I think is the most interesting result of this election.

Well we'll see won't we, they are Libs at base after all. For mine it's the success of the Greens that is most interesting. Murdoch must be apoplectic.

Still it's good to see the growing power of well educated females in every party except for the Libs. Their misogyny played a big part in their undoing - all that kissing of wives bullshit.
[/QUOTE]

You are 100% correct with your last sentence. The use of wives and daughters as props has been nauseating.

[mightyrooster]

[QUOTE=mightyrooster;n933964]

You are 100% correct with your last sentence. The use of wives daughters as props has been nauseating.

[Andrew Walker]

[QUOTE=mightyrooster;n933964]

You are 100% correct with your last sentence. The use of wives and daughters as props has been nauseating.

Not only wives and Daughters the whole family man or even woman thing ( in that they say they want to spend more time with their family ) once a politician is either voted out, resigns in disgrace or just resigns like that pos Frydenberg last night and Gunner ( another pos ) a few weeks back makes me want to vomit

[mightyrooster]

The state of play so far. Fantastic to see 15 seats in the hands of minor parties.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/election...t=az&state=all

Yes big parties take note!

[zac]

There was plenty of silly buggers going on 1974 - 75 Zac. Give up the cliches puleez.

The '75 coup stuffed the ALP. It showed where power really resided in Australia and it wasn't in the parliament. Never radical (too many Catholics for a start) the Party became tame cat and unwilling to challenge the policy parameters dictated by Murdoch (it even expanded his media power FFS) and, more often than not deferred to Government Right wing initiatives causing a cleft between its conservative blue collar support and that of the the Intelligentsia who, in vast numbers, defected to the Greens leaving what was/is widely seen as a compliant conservative rump. Tame cat on China, Climate, the US association and any number of things like tax cuts to the rich it has largely lost its cred with its educated support base and that is the reason for its dwindling primary vote. Let's hope that it grows a pair this time but that remains to be seen. At least we'll have an ICAC.

What is certain is the coming News Ltd backlash. In fact it's already started on the "question" of legitimacy given the size of its primary vote (see King Salvo's comment) which was never raised when Scummo won a one seat majority on Palmer preferences. In fact that narrow win was touted as a landslide.

When, in 2007, the Libs were in total disarray under the incompetent Brendan Nelson, Newscorp took on the role of opposition and within 6 months the very popular Rudd was transformed into a loser in the polls. He'd done the same with Gough and now stand by for the cacophonic daily "bucket of shit" for Albo.

fwiw i think cliches are criticised unfairly sometimes - it's now how you say something that is important but the intelligence and emotion behind what you say.

75 was a special case. the fact remains that last night we had a change of government and the side that lost didn't go to the courts or urge people go storm parliament house. liberal democracy is a bad system but it's better than all the other systems.

in 75 murdoch'a media was a player but these days there's so many different places to get your info that blaming the media is a pretty weak argument. blaming the 'sheeple' is also a weak argument. people are going to live their live the way they want and that's their right. better to blame leaders - they have the opportunity to explain what's going on and if the people don't listen to them well that's the leaders fault.