Federal Election

[Andrew Walker]

I’m with ya

I usually have one rule in here only and that is not to talk politics. Looks like I’ve cheated on myself.

Has Monkey Pox hit there yet? My sim came home from school the other day and mentioned it. I thought he was being a smart arse! When will this madness end? I thought people got aids from monkeys, not the pox!

I don’t watch the news But I did see on Twitter a few days back there were suspected case in NSW and Victoria I’m not worrying about it but at least we can’t be told we could have this without symptoms

Now back to politics I agree it is generally something I don’t discuss. I recall dinner one night many years back with some parents of my Daughters friends and the issue of politics came up I kept my mouth shut but I have to admit I really really enjoyed kicking back watching the ensuing floor show the carnage and fall out that took place Every now and then someone would try to get me involved I would just respond by saying I don’t discuss politics or religion with my Daughters friends Parents I don’t think this is a good idea. I shouldn’t laugh but there was serious damage done to relationships but the floor show was amusing whilst me actually enjoying it all probably isn’t normal. I must admit normal isn’t something I an very good at.

Enjoy the States wherever you may be life is for living mate. I’m going to do just that by taking a break from this place till at least game time this week Although the last few days I’ve done a pretty good job at living I think I am winning at life

[rented tracksuit]

I don’t watch the news But I did see on Twitter a few days back there were suspected case in NSW and Victoria I’m not worrying about it but at least we can’t be told we could have this without symptoms

Now back to politics I agree it is generally something I don’t discuss. I recall dinner one night many years back with some parents of my Daughters friends and the issue of politics came up I kept my mouth shut but I have to admit I really really enjoyed kicking back watching the ensuing floor show the carnage and fall out that took place Every now and then someone would try to get me involved I would just respond by saying I don’t discuss politics or religion with my Daughters friends Parents I don’t think this is a good idea. I shouldn’t laugh but there was serious damage done to relationships but the floor show was amusing whilst me actually enjoying it all probably isn’t normal. I must admit normal isn’t something I an very good at.

Enjoy the States wherever you may be life is for living mate. I’m going to do just that by taking a break from this place till at least game time this week Although the last few days I’ve done a pretty good job at living I think I am winning at life

Mate with the events of the past 48hiurs over here, if you are alive and live with a feeling of safety, you are winning at life.

I believe we can in part, thank John Howard for that!

[A Country Member]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lalor

Well done Random. 100 points will be credited in your account

[zac]

so, they're saying labor has won lyons and are likely to pick up macnamara so that will make it an outright majority

[ism22]

so, they're saying labor has won lyons and are likely to pick up macnamara so that will make it an outright majority

Yep pretty much guaranteed now ay? Wild how quickly things can change...

[Random Rooster]

Nice post. I agree with most of that. The ‘other things’ I refer to are personal. The high interest rates he presided over in the recession we had to have caused financial and emotional pain to my parents / family who were at the time running a very small business and we were glad to see the end of him. I’ll leave it at that.

OK that's fair enough. Look i think Whitlam, Fraser,Hawke,Keating and John Howard were the right leaders for the times they served.

I know i bashed up John Howard but it cannot be understated what he did with the gun buy back and laws....it was a ballsy move and it has made Australia one of the safest places in the world when we could have easily gone the other way.



I was also hoping my post would put me in Paddo's good books!

[ism22]

OK that's fair enough. Look i think Whitlam, Fraser,Hawke,Keating and John Howard were the right leaders for the times they served.

I know i bashed up John Howard but it cannot be understated what he did with the gun buy back and laws....it was a ballsy move and it has made Australia one of the safest places in the world when we could have easily gone the other way.

I was also hoping my post would put me in Paddo's good books!

I accept all election results as being the voice of the people. Only thing I'd add is that Howard started off with things like the gun bans / buy-back and GST. However towards the end he started doing lots of unnecessary stuff (e.g. BS about children overboard, way too much middle-class welfare, BS about Iraq, BS about children overboard, politicising refugees and Work Choices). He lost it, bowed down to the Nats and got voted out for a good reason.

IMO even ScoMo filled a gap in blocking Dutton from gratuitously becoming PM. After Abbott and Turnbull (who were both there for themselves... just like Rudd & Gillard), he was at least a relatively nice guy who took on the conservative marketing role IMO. He ended up being taken over by Joyce though (as all the Libs governments do).

One thing I'd say most don't appreciate is that the Libs always have a minority government, then form a 'Coalition' with whacko conservatives so that we don't see how laws get debated in Parliament as all the Nats' / Liberal Nats' / Country Nats' antics happens in the party room, with the occasional strategic leak. The Libs at least get elected & choose the PM in their own right based on their public campaigning for their leader to become PM. The Nats (and related sub-groups) just occupy a small number of very safe seats, strongarm the Libs into making their leader share the PM's chair and continuously strongarm the Libs about every darn policy. IMO Labor's relationship with the Greens and Pocock will be far less of a bloody power struggle. For now...

[mightyrooster]

OK that's fair enough. Look i think Whitlam, Fraser,Hawke,Keating and John Howard were the right leaders for the times they served.

I know i bashed up John Howard but it cannot be understated what he did with the gun buy back and laws....it was a ballsy move and it has made Australia one of the safest places in the world when we could have easily gone the other way.



I was also hoping my post would put me in Paddo's good books!

Yep I agree. And you sure did give Howard a good bashing! Whitlam, Hawke, Keating changed Australia for the better by a long way. But Howard came in at the right time when we'd generally had a gutfull of Keating and his recession we had to have. Howard reconnected with the Australian 'sheeple' as Labor had become too arrogant for it's own good. His gun law legislation as you say was pivital in stopping us going down the path of the US. He benefited greatly from the mining boom and grabbed the middle ground by giving handouts in FTB to keep middle Australia nice and relaxed and comfortable. But the second half of his tenure, following 9/11 was where it really started to turn to crap for me. Scare campaigns over terrorism, lies about children going overboard, WMD. Workchoices! But I think over the years the Australian public has generally got it right throwing out a government at the right time, though sometimes we've probably left it a term too late.

I don't know if it's possible to get in Paddo's good books! I find he only comments when you say something he doesn't agree with.

[mightyrooster]

I accept all election results as being the voice of the people. Only thing I'd add is that Howard started off with things like the gun bans / buy-back and GST. However towards the end he started doing lots of unnecessary stuff (e.g. BS about children overboard, way too much middle-class welfare, BS about Iraq, BS about children overboard, politicising refugees and Work Choices). He lost it, bowed down to the Nats and got voted out for a good reason.

IMO even ScoMo filled a gap in blocking Dutton from gratuitously becoming PM. After Abbott and Turnbull (who were both there for themselves... just like Rudd & Gillard), he was at least a relatively nice guy who took on the conservative marketing role IMO. He ended up being taken over by Joyce though (as all the Libs governments do).

One thing I'd say most don't appreciate is that the Libs always have a minority government, then form a 'Coalition' with whacko conservatives so that we don't see how laws get debated in Parliament as all the Nats' / Liberal Nats' / Country Nats' antics happens in the party room, with the occasional strategic leak. The Libs at least get elected & choose the PM in their own right based on their public campaigning for their leader to become PM. The Nats (and related sub-groups) just occupy a small number of very safe seats, strongarm the Libs into making their leader share the PM's chair and continuously strongarm the Libs about every darn policy. IMO Labor's relationship with the Greens and Pocock will be far less of a bloody power struggle. For now...

The Nats represent the people of regional Australia, the rural communities. I don't see a problem with them forming a Coalition with the Liberal Party. The people living in rural communities need a voice too and the Libs tend to represent those in the cities.

[ism22]

The Nats represent the people of regional Australia, the rural communities. I don't see a problem with them forming a Coalition with the Liberal Party. The people living in rural communities need a voice too and the Libs tend to represent those in the cities.

Traditionally the ALP are the workers and country Labor party, mate. Nats represent CEOs of coal mining companies, which happen to have operations in regional Australia.

There's no concept of parties / coalitions in the Constitution. IMO there's one place for decision making and debate... it's called Parliament.

[zac]

He was a welcome relief after having finally had enough of Keating sending the nation into record interest rate territory along with other things. But the WMD and children overboard stuff was the last straw for me. Also, like JB said in the next post on here, what he did for gun laws in this country was brilliant.

at the very least he got the narrative wrong - calling it the recession we had to have might have seemed a good idea at the time but didn't work out well.
the ironic thing is that the economy was going better in 96 than it had been in 93. keating was a politician with big ideas and had vision but was unable to take the people with him.

[mightyrooster]

at the very least he got the narrative wrong - calling it the recession we had to have might have seemed a good idea at the time but didn't work out well.
the ironic thing is that the economy was going better in 96 than it had been in 93. keating was a politician with big ideas and had vision but was unable to take the people with him.

He was not very popular that’s for sure. Home mortgage rates of 17% and business loans at 20% did not help.

[A Country Member]

He was not very popular that’s for sure. Home mortgage rates of 17% and business loans at 20% did not help.

Oh really? Never heard that!
I am sure they are ruing the day when house were cheap but money was expensive instead of cheap money and expensive houses. Just hope they had superannuation to help them get by

[Random Rooster]

at the very least he got the narrative wrong - calling it the recession we had to have might have seemed a good idea at the time but didn't work out well.
the ironic thing is that the economy was going better in 96 than it had been in 93. keating was a politician with big ideas and had vision but was unable to take the people with him.

Thats because it actually was the recession we had to have.....

http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/24...we-had-to-have

He was not very popular that’s for sure. Home mortgage rates of 17% and business loans at 20% did not help.

What didn't help was standing up to Kerry Packer. Keating as Treasurer had overseen new media rules that prevented media owners from owning both TV stations and newspapers....which infuriated Packer (he wanted to buy Fairfax print media) who went on a anti-Keating rampage.Anyone remember the 60 Minutes program on Packer’s Nine Network in the late 1990s that falsely alleged Keating had been involved in dodgy dealings during his ownership of a piggery, later sold on to Indonesian interests?? Packers personal attacks on Keating were infamous albeit lacking any truth. Interesting days!!!

Of course in 2007 the Howard government began the unravelling of Paul Keating's cross media regulations. Howard had to pay back the massive push he got to be PM from Packer....even if it was to the detriment of the Australian people.


Surely now im in Paddos good books???!!!???

[ism22]

Thats because it actually was the recession we had to have.....

http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/24...we-had-to-have



What didn't help was standing up to Kerry Packer. Keating as Treasurer had overseen new media rules that prevented media owners from owning both TV stations and newspapers....which infuriated Packer (he wanted to buy Fairfax print media) who went on a anti-Keating rampage.Anyone remember the 60 Minutes program on Packer’s Nine Network in the late 1990s that falsely alleged Keating had been involved in dodgy dealings during his ownership of a piggery, later sold on to Indonesian interests?? Packers personal attacks on Keating were infamous albeit lacking any truth. Interesting days!!!

Of course in 2007 the Howard government began the unravelling of Paul Keating's cross media regulations. Howard had to pay back the massive push he got to be PM from Packer....even if it was to the detriment of the Australian people.


Surely now im in Paddos good books???!!!???

Bingo. In short...

- ALP floated the dollar and opened up business to China, creating a commodity boom.

- The Reserve Bank (not ALP) increased the cash rate independently to cool-off the boom because it was so red hot, leading to ridiculous price inflation. They didn't want it to turn into a bursting bubble which we REALLY woulda felt.

- After weathering a single year of higher interest rates, the RBA were able to gradually loosen monetary policy. This aided a long-term mining boom that lasted until ~2007 when everything went to shyte and Howard got booted out of his own seat.

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The only pattern I notice in politics is that...

- Labor wins when everything's gone to shyte and progress/innovation/fairness is need.

- The Coalition then wins and sits around taunting that everything is perfect... we don't need change or progress as trying new things will disturb the balance.