Let's get the Facts Right on China.

[Paddo Colt 61]

With respect Eddie it's not a simple question nor a helpful one. First of all HK is China and so was "ruled" by China for millenia. It was forcibly leased to Britain after an illegal invasion after which the most violent superpower of the 19th century occupied it until the 90s. The British used it as a drug distribution base, an alternative income source after slavery was no longer viable. After the American War of Independence, the Dutch or others were the preferred suppliers of humans to the Americas. The English, having reluctantly abandoned the trade, subsequently canonised William Wilberforce as a moral saviour - the old "we were wrong but he showed us the light" bullshit.

The US, of course continued their slave system and still continue to suppress the descendants. These are the leaders of the West that Heckle and Jeckle endlessly hold out as exemplars of virtue.

But I digress.... apart from the HK China rule thing Eddie, I wouldn't live there any time, the place is like a sauna in Summer and it was/is all about money and Capitalism. One could smell the greed in the oppressive Summer air. It is largely the wealthy beneficiaries of colonial rule who incite the rioting (with input from US and British Intelligence agencies) Anyway, ordinary folk can live anywhere - the Greek philosopher Epicurus held that human happiness was achieved with a roof over one's head, amicable companions and good food.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=007; NCW (no cred whatsoever).? It should read no cred whatsoever (NCW).
My point - you're an idiot. You pay out on people you consider grammatically challenged and you can't even get that right. And you call yourself a schoolteacher. As I said, you're an idiot.

Ah.... a new challenger has emerged. This time it's one with a sharp wit and and an "Ah go get fcuked" approach to debate. "Reason is for pussies!" he proclaims to anyone foolish enough to listen.

I honestly don't see the distinction that you're making pal, too fine for me, but then anyone who calls himself "007" is a PAW (probably a Wanker) of the first order.

And I don't "pay out", I merely respond. And I don't "consider", I merely point out the obvious.

Go back to the footy it's easier to understand.

[ism22]

So hang on Paddo, basically you're saying that HK should be given to Taiwan?

[mightyrooster]

It's been an interesting read.......................although the Colts continual mis-use of the quote function makes it harder to enjoy.
One simple question would be "would you prefer to live in Hong Kong pre or post China rule ?"

How about neither.

[mightyrooster]

Yes - need to put the proponents of the cult of personality in their place.

Is that cult or colt?

[mightyrooster]

Well at least this thread is giving me a bit of a chuckle. Quite amusing in parts.

[ism22]

Is that cult or colt?

It's open to interpretation.

[King Salvo]

With respect Eddie it's not a simple question nor a helpful one. First of all HK is China and so was "ruled" by China for millenia. It was forcibly leased to Britain after an illegal invasion after which the most violent superpower of the 19th century occupied it until the 90s. The British used it as a drug distribution base, an alternative income source after slavery was no longer viable. After the American War of Independence, the Dutch or others were the preferred suppliers of humans to the Americas. The English, having reluctantly abandoned the trade, subsequently canonised William Wilberforce as a moral saviour - the old "we were wrong but he showed us the light" bullshit.

The US, of course continued their slave system and still continue to suppress the descendants. These are the leaders of the West that Heckle and Jeckle endlessly hold out as exemplars of virtue.

But I digress.... apart from the HK China rule thing Eddie, I wouldn't live there any time, the place is like a sauna in Summer and it was/is all about money and Capitalism. One could smell the greed in the oppressive Summer air. It is largely the wealthy beneficiaries of colonial rule who incite the rioting (with input from US and British Intelligence agencies) Anyway, ordinary folk can live anywhere - the Greek philosopher Epicurus held that human happiness was achieved with a roof over one's head, amicable companions and good food.

Comrade Paddo if you have ruled Hong Kong and China out there is always North Korea where everything is controlled even down to hair styles and clothing

The North Korean regime has long railed against outside influences affecting its socialist way of life, with men and women limited to a list of approved hairstyles and clothing.

You will be happy to know that they are also cracking down hard on evil western and capitalist tendencies which you so dislike so this should make North Korea your new number 1 choice for relocation

Talking about food what's you view on seaweed though as you maybe eating a lot of it - Fried/Boiled/Baked/Poached/Pickled/ Raw - Seaweed Soup/Tea /Pasta/Salsa/Pickles etc.

2 strong legs and a push bike should get you around quicker than the very limited bus service and traffic congestion is non existent.

[A Country Member]

Seaweed is very sustainable. Nutritious too.

Maybe there’ll be a time where we don’t have to extract every last morsel from the earth in the effort to make a buck. We could learn to live with less and as a result have more time for each other.

Christmas is a particular time to be aware of this. Gone is the Christian significance of the day (and Pagan too) and now it mostly about token giving, gaining more possessions and a feast of epic proportions all the while pretending to be nice to our fellow humans and family, hiding behind the stress of it all gasping for the time for it be over and to possibly relax.

The Boxing Day cricket test is a perfect example of the tempo that we crave. Effort for a bit, then break. Let things go through to the keeper. Wait for the right ball to hit. Take your chances. Keeping aiming for the right spot and eventually you’ll have luck.

[ism22]

Some AFR reading BTW...

https://www.afr.com/wealth/investing...0221221-p5c7xy

> The underlying force propelling Australia’s relationship with China is an assumption that the Middle Kingdom will become, within a decade or two, the world’s largest economy. Everything flows from this presumed pre-eminence: the structure of the Australian economy, strategic positioning, even its cultural development.

> Xi Jinping may be now changing the future. This month, Japan’s Centre for Economic Research, a private think tank, said that it no longer expected China’s economy to surpass America’s,

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Of course the goal of "surpassing the US' GDP" would not make China "richer" or "more powerful" than the US as it's nowhere near being a developed country.

However the (paywalled) article basically says...

- China's economy has likely peaked. It's nowhere near being a developed economy and could lose a LOT of power if the assumption that it'll one day have the most GDP changes.

- A large part of the problem is that Jinping's too proud/nationalistic... as such, the access to technology and global markets has been restricted. His protectionism has slowed their growth significantly.

- The other part is that they've got an ageing workforce and as such, productivity's about to take a massive dip (plus all these oldies with 'one child' are gonna cost a lot to look after).

- It's not a doom and gloom story. However, it highlights the benefits of diversification.

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Paeddo - instead of using your alt to post those stupid one-liners, this is another example of quality news/analysis. Rather than just being 'John Menadue reckons China's gonna take over the world and we should all be their little b!tches instead of having relationships with the USA / Europe / Japan / SE Asia...etc', opinions pieces can actually contain some technical economic analysis and independent projections/reasoning. Fascinating, ay?

Oh wait no. Ed the Epileptic Private's face has just appeared on a screen with an anti-western tweet to Elon Musk (including cryptic messaging about bitcoin 'investments'), while John Menadue [dot] com has spat out another opinions piece claiming we're all doomed and need to stop being 'sheeple' who believe mainstream sources of news/analysis. Darn - I thought I'd almost gotten through to Paeddo and his quirky, bearded, armless alt. I feel you bro, but am glad I never attended your history 'lessons' at Glebe High.

[Paddo Colt 61]

I was a Glebe High monitoring trainee teachers. Freedom Boy failed needless to say. We can't have numbskulls imparting that guff to the young. From what I read, I feel that you would have failed miserably though perhaps your report might have generously read "Izzy must try harder". And you must my friend.

[Random Rooster]

I was a Glebe High monitoring trainee teachers.

Grammar

[mightyrooster]

Seaweed is very sustainable. Nutritious too.

Maybe there’ll be a time where we don’t have to extract every last morsel from the earth in the effort to make a buck. We could learn to live with less and as a result have more time for each other.

Christmas is a particular time to be aware of this. Gone is the Christian significance of the day (and Pagan too) and now it mostly about token giving, gaining more possessions and a feast of epic proportions all the while pretending to be nice to our fellow humans and family, hiding behind the stress of it all gasping for the time for it be over and to possibly relax.

The Boxing Day cricket test is a perfect example of the tempo that we crave. Effort for a bit, then break. Let things go through to the keeper. Wait for the right ball to hit. Take your chances. Keeping aiming for the right spot and eventually you’ll have luck.

All very fascinating. You know, your writing style is changing and getting more and more familiar. Or maybe it’s just me.

[King Salvo]

I was a Glebe High monitoring trainee teachers. Freedom Boy failed needless to say. We can't have numbskulls imparting that guff to the young. From what I read, I feel that you would have failed miserably though perhaps your report might have generously read "Izzy must try harder". And you must my friend.

Now we know one of the reasons for the decline in teaching/education standards.

[King Salvo]

All very fascinating. You know, your writing style is changing and getting more and more familiar. Or maybe it’s just me.

Commies are atheists so not sure why he's mentioning Christmas and Christianity for

Comrade Paddo aka Comrade A Country Member celebrations would be strictly limited to the Birthdays of Evil Commie Ideologists and Commie Regime Leaders past and present and Stalinist Little Legs Putin's.

26th December is a bad day for him as no doubt he would be wearing red arm bands to mourn this day in History - 26th December 1991 the day the Evil Soviet Union/USSR was dissolved