Let's get the Facts Right on China.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Paul Keating again, today, on the AUKUS fiasco and the ALP's pathetic riole in it all. There is already a groundswell of opposition mounting but, as usual, it will not be enough to influence our majority of Sheeple who say in surveys that they don't trust the MSM but then, invariably, do so.

https://johnmenadue.com/paul-keating...ate-to-the-us/

[eddie]

Paul Keating again, today, on the AUKUS fiasco and the ALP's pathetic riole in it all. There is already a groundswell of opposition mounting but, as usual, it will not be enough to influence our majority of Sheeple who say in surveys that they don't trust the MSM but then, invariably, do so.

https://johnmenadue.com/paul-keating...ate-to-the-us/

Interesting read.
Am I to assume that when we take possession of these submarines we won't have total control over their deployment?

I dunno, but it's still good not to waste money on the french designed dinosaurs.

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

Paul Keating again, today, on the AUKUS fiasco and the ALP's pathetic riole in it all. There is already a groundswell of opposition mounting but, as usual, it will not be enough to influence our majority of Sheeple who say in surveys that they don't trust the MSM but then, invariably, do so.

https://johnmenadue.com/paul-keating...ate-to-the-us/

Hey Paddo - I was wondering if you listen to Russell Brand at all? I really enjoy his perspective on things.

[Paddo Colt 61]

I do admire his commitment. Like Billy Bragg, he uses his fame/notoriety to assist various campaigns and to encourage people, who otherwise would not, to take notice.

[A Country Member]

Interesting read.
Am I to assume that when we take possession of these submarines we won't have total control over their deployment?

I dunno, but it's still good not to waste money on the french designed dinosaurs.

Waste money? On dinosaurs?

How bout how much the Aus government wasted $3.4b dollar on scuppering the French deal. Of that was a $830m settlement fee to extract itself from the deal. About 4% of the total deal for $90b.

And why are they considered ‘dinosaurs’ anymore than the US ones which won’t be delivered until 2045? Nuclear isn’t necessarily better by the way, only longer range. If you prefer nuclear powered then could’ve upgraded the French deal to new tech and had them delivered in a quicker time frame. The French could deliver the equivalent nuclear sub by 2035.

Any, why do we need to so much spend money on thubs? Of yeah, the war the media are getting us ready for. The US owned media that reports here in Aus.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=eddie; Interesting read.
Am I to assume that when we take possession of these submarines we won't have total control over their deployment? I dunno, but it's still good not to waste money on the french designed dinosaurs.

This whole submarine subject has been sold to us by our MSM without any full disclosure as to the cons (and there are many of them) or any frank discussion of whether we need such assets. Or whether China is, indeed, any threat to us or anyone else. What is this "Chinese aggression" that we keep hearing about? The same MSM would take the cudgels to an ALP that refused to go along with the "deal" as the MSM during the First war and during the Vietnam fiasco did, but we keep on trusting in it.

In the eyes of other Nations we are just ignoring our commitment to the cause of limiting nuclear proliferation not to mention the gargantuan cost involved which puts the cost of the French subs in the nickles and dimes stratum.

What's with all of this gung ho on America's behalf? NZ doesn't do it. Indonesia doesn't do it. Then they don't have our "intelligence" services. A previous Labor government had to raid the bastards to get to the truth of the extent of right wing terrorism in the 70s. The bastards spent all their efforts on Trade Unions and harmless "Communists" living in the suburbs.

I heard a vox pop on RN this morning where a guy said, " I know that we have to do something about the China threat but we have an enormous housing problem". The China "threat" has become conventional wisdom with no explanation of what it is from the MSM which parrots the government uncritically.

[eddie]

There is an argument that we don't need subs of any design at all.
It is a lot of money.
Never the less the diesel/electric sub is a dinosaur, and the french deal was a huge mistake.

[zac]

time will tell if it was a good decision or a disaster. both outcomes are possible

[Andrew Walker]

Paul Keating again, today, on the AUKUS fiasco and the ALP's pathetic riole in it all. There is already a groundswell of opposition mounting but, as usual, it will not be enough to influence our majority of Sheeple who say in surveys that they don't trust the MSM but then, invariably, do so.

https://johnmenadue.com/paul-keating...ate-to-the-us/

Then there is this I’ve just come across Keating is in fine form here

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia...bc2b61f4750dae

[King Salvo]

Paul Keating again, today, on the AUKUS fiasco and the ALP's pathetic riole in it all. There is already a groundswell of opposition mounting but, as usual, it will not be enough to influence our majority of Sheeple who say in surveys that they don't trust the MSM but then, invariably, do so.

https://johnmenadue.com/paul-keating...ate-to-the-us/

Comrade Paddo where is this groundswell? - oh I see it's on Comrade Menadue's Lefty Sheep Brainwashing website so it must be true

[King Salvo]

I do admire his commitment. Like Billy Bragg, he uses his fame/notoriety to assist various campaigns and to encourage people, who otherwise would not, to take notice.

mmm Comrade Paddo you also greatly admire Stalin , Mao , Kims etc commitment too although like a good little brainwashed commo you are still in denial over their evilness on a mass scale.

Comrade Menadue probably said it was a West Conspiracy to undermine communism and none of it ever happened as a 13 year survey of 32,000 people was conducted and we all know how reliable the results from that type of survey was

[Paddo Colt 61]

Terrific contribution Andy. Thank God that Keating has chosen to generate debate on this and, hopefully, on wider issues like the competence of our "Intelligence" and our military. He's just about the only one who is capable of a counter offensive on this because he's well regarded by a good proportion of the population and doesn't suffer fools - none of those "journalists" want to be on the wrong end of his ridicule. There will be a backlash in the MSM (they might even stoop to the Salvo line - "Go live there if you love it so much") but Keating has so much cred that they may just choose to ignore him. After all the deal is "in the bag" as is the ALP.

Albanese and Co are a disgrace in trying to curry favour with an establishment, which has been and always will be the enemy of the ALP, by making all of their wet dreams come true. Meanwhile in the real world people like this morning's vox popper will be oblivious to any facts or counter arguments believing, as Thucydides pointed out during the Peloponnesian War, the first opinion that they hear.

The finer details are ludicrous - we pay the Brits to do the research and building of their planned submarines on the basis that we eventually get a few. We're the World's champion suckers.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=King Salvo; Comrade Menadue probably said it was a West Conspiracy to undermine communism and none of it ever happened as a 13 year survey of 32,000 people was conducted and we all know how reliable the results from that type of survey was :rolleyes.

The Dean's gonna get very angry with you Kingsley. It's not every day that a non entity from the Provinces puts his own brand of shit on the reputation of Harvard University. But that's you old friend, a zealot to beat the band if not, way too much apparently, the meat.

The groundswell is the MSM today reporting of the Keating opinions - he's news and he's irresistible to the MSM which loves a stoush of any kind. His primary platform is Menadue. Without him (Keating), there would be not much more than whimpering from the Left. Now there's solid, reasoned opposition for them to follow.

[mightyrooster]

Debate is always a good thing. That’s something we should be very thankful for living here in Australia. I wasn’t always a fan of Keating’s policies or his combative ways but he was never boring like many of the pollies today.

[King Salvo]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n982015][QUOTE=King Salvo; Comrade Menadue probably said it was a West Conspiracy to undermine communism and none of it ever happened as a 13 year survey of 32,000 people was conducted and we all know how reliable the results from that type of survey was :rolleyes.

The Dean's gonna get very angry with you Kingsley. It's not every day that a non entity from the Provinces puts his own brand of shit on the reputation of Harvard University. But that's you old friend, a zealot to beat the band if not, way too much apparently, the meat.

The groundswell is the MSM today reporting of the Keating opinions - he's news and he's irresistible to the MSM which loves a stoush of any kind. His primary platform is Menadue. Without him (Keating), there would be not much more than whimpering from the Left. Now there's solid, reasoned opposition for them to follow.
[/QUOTE]

.It is high time and it is absolutely necessary that you, Comrade Paddo, as resident zealot and pseudo - intellectual, broaden your reading horizons.

You posts are so Monotonous and Boring with a Capital B which may well sum you up as well - a rather dull plain boring ex chalky who had delusions of grandeur which never eventuated.