Let's get the Facts Right on China.

[ism22]

Let’s get the facts right about……how this thread has been done to death?

Preeeetty much. In conclusion...

1. The widely accepted mainstream 'fact' is that China's an expansionary dictatorship. The CCP is an authoritarian regime that operates a single-party state that tightly controls what its citizens are allowed to say/read (including by blocking large parts of the internet and locking people up if they dare mention events such as the Tiananmen Square Massacre). Classic authoritarianism and its neighbours (e.g. Vietnam, the Philippines, Hong Kong, Taiwan, East Kyrgistan, Mongolia...etc) feel bullied by it as it's constantly making land grabs and/or maliciously reneging on historic agreements that enabled them to operate as independent countries (with their own elections, passports, currency...etc).

2. If you read what CCP propaganda, paid defectors (mostly kids with no clout in the game) or old f@rts who are bitter about the way their government careers in 'the west' have ended then they'll see China as Australia's best friend. They also see it as being a friendly ally who we should be deprioritising existing relationships with the USA, Europe, Japan, UK...etc in favour of. Supposedly all our current allies are controlled by Rupert Murdoch, act maliciously towards us and Julian Assange / Edward Snowden (aka two vocal Russian defectors) can prove they are our enemies while China/Russia are excellent allies that are looking to further Australia's best interests.

3. All of this has been covered in great detail. If you subscribe to the theories presented in point number 2 (and trust a bunch of defectors / bitter old political insiders) then John Menadue's blog has an abundance of anti-western conspiracy theories and reasons why you should love China/Russia instead of our existing allies. On the other hand if you think that being closer friends with the USA, Europe, Japan, UK and smaller Asian countries is more important than getting into bed with two authoritarian dictatorships (plus North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran...etc) then there's a wealth of analysis out there that sooooo edgy it'll land you in prison if shared within the said dictatorships. Personally I'm happy with the quality of such analysis and believe that with some basic intelligence you can avoid biased, agenda-driven bullshyte from all sides (whether it be Menadue or Murdoch) without much trouble.

4. Those who support China / Russia above Australia & its current group of allies have the option of defecting so that they can enjoy the abundance of social/political freedom as well as the fabulous standard of living that Russians / Chinese enjoy when compared with Australia (which our comrade believes is broken beyond repair, largely because Whitlam / Menadue were sacked). Oddly there's no takers, despite all the talk from various accounts.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Oh no, he's broken that loudly declared vow of silence and clearly not happy with China's peace initiatives. Ah well, ya can't win 'em all.

There are new terms abroad with which readers/penners should be familiarised. One is the "Multi Polar World" that which is emerging and will replace the Uni Polar one which features the US as the dominant single world hegemon. Another is the "Illusory Truth Effect" which is what the majority of Australians are affected by courtesy of our MSM. Attached is a definition that should provoke nodding heads in all who read it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect

[mightyrooster]

Preeeetty much. In conclusion...

1. The widely accepted mainstream 'fact' is that China's an expansionary dictatorship. The CCP is an authoritarian regime that operates a single-party state that tightly controls what its citizens are allowed to say/read (including by blocking large parts of the internet and locking people up if they dare mention events such as the Tiananmen Square Massacre). Classic authoritarianism and its neighbours (e.g. Vietnam, the Philippines, Hong Kong, Taiwan, East Kyrgistan, Mongolia...etc) feel bullied by it as it's constantly making land grabs and/or maliciously reneging on historic agreements that enabled them to operate as independent countries (with their own elections, passports, currency...etc).

2. If you read what CCP propaganda, paid defectors (mostly kids with no clout in the game) or old f@rts who are bitter about the way their government careers in 'the west' have ended then they'll see China as Australia's best friend. They also see it as being a friendly ally who we should be deprioritising existing relationships with the USA, Europe, Japan, UK...etc in favour of. Supposedly all our current allies are controlled by Rupert Murdoch, act maliciously towards us and Julian Assange / Edward Snowden (aka two vocal Russian defectors) can prove they are our enemies while China/Russia are excellent allies that are looking to further Australia's best interests.

3. All of this has been covered in great detail. If you subscribe to the theories presented in point number 2 (and trust a bunch of defectors / bitter old political insiders) then John Menadue's blog has an abundance of anti-western conspiracy theories and reasons why you should love China/Russia instead of our existing allies. On the other hand if you think that being closer friends with the USA, Europe, Japan, UK and smaller Asian countries is more important than getting into bed with two authoritarian dictatorships (plus North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran...etc) then there's a wealth of analysis out there that sooooo edgy it'll land you in prison if shared within the said dictatorships. Personally I'm happy with the quality of such analysis and believe that with some basic intelligence you can avoid biased, agenda-driven bullshyte from all sides (whether it be Menadue or Murdoch) without much trouble.

4. Those who support China / Russia above Australia & its current group of allies have the option of defecting so that they can enjoy the abundance of social/political freedom as well as the fabulous standard of living that Russians / Chinese enjoy when compared with Australia (which our comrade believes is broken beyond repair, largely because Whitlam / Menadue were sacked). Oddly there's no takers, despite all the talk from various accounts.

Yep we’re on to page 28 and the thread has now been going for about 8 months now. That’s a lot of time for in depth discussion and debate.

[King Salvo]

I'm waiting for Comrade Paddo to say that after Roswell the Americans have linked up with the Martians in some sort of deal to not only rule the world but the universe as well.

That's about as believable as what he bangs on about ad nauseum on here in his anti-west/capitalism crusade and conspiracy theories posts and oh the subliminal messaging we receive from MSM which is brainwashing us.

I used to think at first that Comrade Paddo was having a lend of us and taking the piss as they say but he really truly believes what he reads on that crank obscure and dubious website he quotes on here ad nauseum

Strange days Indeed - Most Peculiar. Mama

[A Country Member]

Yep we’re on to page 28 and the thread has now been going for about 8 months now. That’s a lot of time for in depth discussion and debate.

Yep, time to close the 45 music threads too

[mightyrooster]

Yep, time to close the 45 music threads too

I didn’t say to close it. I said it’s run its course. I’ve personally run out of things to say on the subject so can’t see the point in posting here much at the moment. I don’t want to just repeat myself over and over. The big music thread has also been very inactive of late too as we are running out of theme ideas.

[A Country Member]

They're starving back in China so finish what you got Kling.

Maybe ol Winston Lenin knew something had to be done 40 years ago

[Andrew Walker]

I didn’t say to close it. I said it’s run its course. I’ve personally run out of things to say on the subject so can’t see the point in posting here much at the moment. I don’t want to just repeat myself over and over. The big music thread has also been very inactive of late too as we are running out of theme ideas.

Now a certain someone has left us again I will think of something to revive that thread

[zac]

there's too much playing the man and not the ball in life

[Andrew Walker]

there's too much playing the man and not the ball in life

This is the China thread Zac Could you please stay on topic

[ism22]

I'm waiting for Comrade Paddo to say that after Roswell the Americans have linked up with the Martians in some sort of deal to not only rule the world but the universe as well.

That's about as believable as what he bangs on about ad nauseum on here in his anti-west/capitalism crusade and conspiracy theories posts and oh the subliminal messaging we receive from MSM which is brainwashing us.

I used to think at first that Comrade Paddo was having a lend of us and taking the piss as they say but he really truly believes what he reads on that crank obscure and dubious website he quotes on here ad nauseum

Strange days Indeed - Most Peculiar. Mama

I've blocked him so fortunately cannot see what he's rambling about but TBH I don't think he believes in much. Rather... he's 'seen the light' after smoking a bong and reading a pro-Russia/China blog that's 'edited' by a Whitlam-era mandarin who's stuck in the wrong millennium.

The result? Ill-informed tribalism that leans on implausible CIA conspiracy theories and claims we're all being brainwashed by Rupert Murdoch.

IMO anybody with half a brain can tell that...

1. A private individual owning an influential media empire is wholly different from a government controlling the only permitted source of news.

2. Charging people with hacking defence systems or mishandling protected information (which is protected pursuant to public legislation)

3. Bombing the fark out of a neighbouring country (using conscripts, convicted felons and private mercenaries) with the intention of expanding your borders into the said country is different from sending professional peacekeeping troops into a country to stop its government from paying Al Qaeda to commit acts of terror in western countries.

4. A 'senior fellow' at a reputable university is different from a 'senior fellow' at a university that doesn't even exist.

The list goes on. The guy's a fool...

[King Salvo]

They're starving back in China so finish what you got Kling.

Maybe ol Winston Lenin knew something had to be done 40 years ago

One for Comrade Paddo - insert any of those Commo / Authoritarian and Totalitarian regime leaders he soooooooooooo admires and that fictional obscure conspiracy theorist lefty site dude menadue for his beloved Chairman Mao

But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow

[A Country Member]

We'd all love to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free your mind instead

[Paddo Colt 61]

I don't have to put Izzy on ignore, I just ignore him anyway. No point responding to repeated nonsensense. I think that he's said enough for readers to decide pretty quickly just who is the idiot.

[mightyrooster]

We'd all love to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free your mind instead

Now this has turned into music thread number 46?