Let's get the Facts Right on China.

[Paddo Colt 61]

What all of that has to do with the conversations between me and Zac regarding Hong Kong's hunger for "democracy" is anyone's guess.

It's the fella who loses the debate all ends up and in a fit of red in the face abject frustration screams, "Well get fcuked then!!!!".

See ya loser.

[King Salvo]

Hate to put a spoke in your wheel Comrade Paddo, but you are unable to debate let alone discuss.

Your posts do have a comic value to them though slightly stand up comic or comic book/cartoon like in their nature

No doubt Boris Badenov and Natasha Fatale from the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show would have been two of your idols growing up as they took on those "evil" Westerners in Rocky J Squirrel and Bullwinkle J Moose.

That's the world you live in though a fictional one - you need to get back to reality and give menadue a miss for starters.

[Paddo Colt 61]

They weren't around when I was growing up and I know nothing about them, They're Mooses aren't they? I'm more Felix the Cat, Tugboat Willie and the Mickey Mouse Club (a long term admirer of Anette Funicello's breasts in fact.)

Whereas you, Kinsley, apparently still live is that fantasy world of afternoon American TV and the quaintness and conformity of Thomas diligently going about his railway duties with nary a thought to the real world. For a change, instead of fulminating against Menadue.com in the foolish way that you do (Do you think that people can't see the credibility of the contributors?), why not attempt to to factually counter he following link?

https://johnmenadue.com/the-greatest...human-history/

[King Salvo]

Quite easy to counter it - the opinion writer lived, worked, travelled extensively and studied in China for the past 18 years and is a freelance writer living in Southern China's Guangdong province.

On the Beijing Payroll no doubt


Compared to what actually is happening in Xinjiang for an example

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...ment-intl-hnk/

[Andrew Walker]

What on earth is it that sees what is becoming a conga line of State Premiers visiting or about to visit a so called danger/threat to Australia in China

[Paddo Colt 61]

Both CNN and BBC are MSM Kingsley. The BBC, and the ABC, have been transformed by Tory goverments in recent years into pro US cherleaders, never bothering with context.

[King Salvo]

What on earth is it that sees what is becoming a conga line of State Premiers visiting or about to visit a so called danger/threat to Australia in China

Reds visiting Reds

[Andrew Walker]

Reds visiting Reds

Hi Kingsley or should I say King. Can you explain how you believe our State premiers are ideologically aligned with China Yet at the same time we are being told by the media China are the enemy and that we should prepare for war

[King Salvo]

Both CNN and BBC are MSM Kingsley. The BBC, and the ABC, have been transformed by Tory goverments in recent years into pro US cherleaders, never bothering with context.

As opposed to the opinions of the out of touch and irrelevant former public servants/Beijing and Moscow lackies on the irrelevant Menadue Anti West/Capitalism and Pro Authoritarian and Totalitarian regimes leftist conspiracy theorist site

Wanna be William Joyce like aspirants in spreading propaganda - Beijing Calling / Moscow Calling

lol@ Peking Paul

[Jacks Fur Coat]

What on earth is it that sees what is becoming a conga line of State Premiers visiting or about to visit a so called danger/threat to Australia in China

They are getting well looked after for their troubles don't worry....China may be dangerous but they ain't dumb.

[Random Rooster]

ATT Paddo! Reported in MSM. Your thoughts??


‘He diminished his legacy’: Penny Wong, Paul Keating escalate feud

April 17, 2023 — 4.11pm



The feud between two of Labor’s most beloved figures has escalated, with Foreign Minister Penny Wong accusing Paul Keating of diminishing his legacy and the former prime minister attacking Wong for speaking in platitudes and lacking policy ambition.

In an appearance at the National Press Club on Monday, Wong hit out at critics who take “self-satisfied potshots” at the United States, arguing America continues to play an indispensable role in promoting peace and security in the Asia-Pacific as it jostles with rival superpower China for influence.

At a heated appearance at the press club last month, Keating was particularly personal in his criticisms of Wong, saying: “Running around the Pacific Islands with a lei around your neck handing out money, which is what Penny does, is not foreign policy. It’s a consular task. Foreign policy is what you do with the great powers: what you do with China, what you do with the United States.”

Asked about his comments, Wong said: “On Mr Keating, what I would say is this: I think in tone and substance he diminished both his legacy and the subject matter.”

Keating responded to Wong’s speech by doubling down on his criticisms of both her and the government, saying in a statement: “Never before has a Labor government been so bereft of policy or policy ambition ... I never expected more than platitudes from Penny Wong’s press club speech and as it turned out, I was not disappointed.”

In her speech, Wong said a war fought over the self-governing island of Taiwan would be “catastrophic” for everyone involved, arguing it is “our job is to lower the heat on any potential conflict, increasing pressure on others to do the same”.


Beijing last week launched a three-day series of military exercises around Taiwan, which it considers an integral part of its territory, to express anger at Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen’s meeting with the US House Speaker Kevin McCarthy.

“We call for the peaceful resolution of cross-strait issues through dialogue without the threat or use of force or coercion,” Wong said.
“Because, let me be absolutely clear – a war over Taiwan would be catastrophic for all. We know that there would be no real winners

Wong declined to say whether she welcomed US President Joe Biden’s repeated statements that America would intervene to defend Taiwan if it came under attack by China, saying it was important “to do all that we can to press for the maintenance of the status quo through both deterrence and reassurance”.

Wong said she felt it important to deliver a “reality check” that nations in the Indo-Pacific would not have enjoyed their “long, uninterrupted period of stability and prosperity” without the US.

“America has often been talked of as the indispensable power,” she said. “It remains so, but the nature of that indispensability has changed.

“As we seek a strategic equilibrium, with all countries exercising their agency to achieve peace and prosperity, America is central to balancing a multipolar region.

“Many who take self-satisfied potshots at America’s imperfections would find the world a lot less satisfactory if America ceased to play its role.”

As for Australia’s largest trading partner, Wong said China “continues to modernise its military at a pace and scale not seen in the world for nearly a century with little transparency or assurance about its strategic intent”.

She added that Australians should not “waste energy with shock or outrage at China seeking to maximise its advantage” given this is what great powers do.

Keating said Wong had claimed to eschew “black and white binary choices” but “then proceeded to make a choice herself – extolling the virtues of the United States, of it remaining ‘the central power’ – of ‘balancing the region’, while disparaging China”.


“As a middle power, Australia is now straddling a strategic divide, a divide rapidly becoming every bit as rigid as that which obtained in Europe in 1914,” he said.

“Nothing Penny Wong said today, on Australia’s behalf, adds one iota of substance to that urgent
task.”

Wong reiterated the government’s view that it wanted to see WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange’s espionage case brought to a close but said it was constrained in its ability to convince the US to drop the charges and its extradition request.

“I know that there are some who like to posit ‘you’re not doing this, you’re not doing that’,” she said.

“But what I can say to you is we are very clear about our view. There are, obviously, limits to what you can do in terms of another country’s legal proceedings and we are not party to those proceedings. We cannot intervene in those proceedings just as the UK and US cannot intervene in our legal proceedings.”

Wong said she was glad United Kingdom High Commissioner Stephen Smith recently met with Assange at Belmarsh Prison, where he has been held since 2019, and said she would press for better prison conditions for Assange.

[Paddo Colt 61]

I was in the Southern Highlands for 10 days, off line and overseeing the build of my country retreat. Too exuberant by halves I was attempting to move a big glass door solo but tripped and fell backward holding the door all the way down and injuring my back in the process. Blood everywhere too - it was like a Bondi Rex Friday night out with the Colts back in the day.

Anyway, it was the Bowral hospital ER for me and then, anticipating that The King's wife might possibly be on ER duty I started to look forward to some expert Russian intervention but as things turned out I had to settle for some very good Pakistani sutchering. Blood everywhere as I said!

Imagine my disappointment when, back on the Net, I found that Salvo had pretty much taken over the thread with yet more revelations of the squalid lives of Russians. This time, following Izzy's lead, he produced eyewitness accounts by someones who knew someone's uncle or something. How to account for Vlad's 80% popularity is, unfortunately, the Blowfly in the ointment so you all need to discount most of that rambling.

My take on "Leviathan" is that the corruption that the film pointed out was not a lot different to here where someone like Our Glad supports the boyfriend with taxpayer money and ICACs are constantly exposing local government malfeasance. The point is that the director didn't hold back and, in so doing, disappointed some government officials. Doesn't that suggest media independence to anyone caring to think a little? That obviously excludes Heckle and Jeckle.

PS Am feeling much better though the Coccyx remains pretty sore, it's a sensitive area to come down on with the door weight adding to the impact. Please, as serious as the episode was, I don't want a flood of "Get Well" wishes nor offers of food delivered during recovery.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=Random Rooster; ATT Paddo! Reported in MSM. Your thoughts??

My thoughts Randy are, pretty much, reflected in the piece by Geoff Raby on menadue.com today. Raby is a former Oz ambassador to China and touted by some, as a better choice for the US ambassador role than is K. Rudd.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n990182][QUOTE=Random Rooster; ATT Paddo! Reported in MSM. Your thoughts??

My thoughts Randy are, pretty much, reflected in the piece by Geoff Raby on menadue.com today. Raby is a former Oz ambassador to China and touted by some, as a better choice for the US ambassador role than is K. Rudd. [/QUOTE]

Not saying much....Humphrey B Bear would make a better choice as ambassador than Krudd.

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

I was in the Southern Highlands for 10 days, off line and overseeing the build of my country retreat. Too exuberant by halves I was attempting to move a big glass door solo but tripped and fell backward holding the door all the way down and injuring my back in the process. Blood everywhere too - it was like a Bondi Rex Friday night out with the Colts back in the day.

Anyway, it was the Bowral hospital ER for me and then, anticipating that The King's wife might possibly be on ER duty I started to look forward to some expert Russian intervention but as things turned out I had to settle for some very good Pakistani sutchering. Blood everywhere as I said!

Imagine my disappointment when, back on the Net, I found that Salvo had pretty much taken over the thread with yet more revelations of the squalid lives of Russians. This time, following Izzy's lead, he produced eyewitness accounts by someones who knew someone's uncle or something. How to account for Vlad's 80% popularity is, unfortunately, the Blowfly in the ointment so you all need to discount most of that rambling.

My take on "Leviathan" is that the corruption that the film pointed out was not a lot different to here where someone like Our Glad supports the boyfriend with taxpayer money and ICACs are constantly exposing local government malfeasance. The point is that the director didn't hold back and, in so doing, disappointed some government officials. Doesn't that suggest media independence to anyone caring to think a little? That obviously excludes Heckle and Jeckle.

PS Am feeling much better though the Coccyx remains pretty sore, it's a sensitive area to come down on with the door weight adding to the impact. Please, as serious as the episode was, I don't want a flood of "Get Well" wishes nor offers of food delivered during recovery.

Southern Highlands? You capitalist baller PC. Get well you mug