Let's get the Facts Right on China.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=Andrew Walker;

But please do not sidestep the issue Ive raised What are your thoughts on the current events in China

I wrote considerably on it but it's disappeared. Mods?

[Paddo Colt 61]

The gist of my reply was:

* China has a population of 1.5 billion people so these protests are miniscule in the broader context. Hardly worth noting except by our dis informing media which complies to a warmongering US agenda.

* There have been over 1 million dead from Covid in the USA which, surprisingly, preferred to favour the economy over people. China with its huge population has about 3000 Covid dead. It favoured its people, has taken a huge economic hit accordingly and has recently restated its commitment to beating the pandemic for once and for all.

* There are demagogues in every society and in "democracies" demagoguery/fascism is the last card in the pack when the elites (the rich) don't get their own way. It was, however, simpler in Oz where an unelected official simply sacked the elected government, the freedom loving Sheeple evidently not giving a toss. In China demagoguery has a frightful past. The Christian inspired Taiping Rebellion in the mid 19th Century left 20 million dead. Who's to say that these current "protests" are not the work of the US supported Falun Gong, another Christian ratbag outfit. We'll never be told truth that's a certainty.

* Of course the US western media blow these things way out of proportion. It's partly propaganda, partly wishful thinking much like our own MSM's coverage of the recent Vic election. Instead of the predicted crushing victory, the Libs got whacked again managing only small swings in the new outer western suburbs where the aspirationals, the McMansion dwelling tradie petty bourgeoisie, form a large part of the 40% who still believe Newscorp.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=Dr. Voodoo Man; Yeah I'm pretty sure. Taiwanese genuinely fear being invaded by China.

Hey Voods, the majority of the world see Taiwan as a province of China. Only some in the US and a few toady states insist that it's a separate entity. A very large percentage favour a return as indicated in Andy's post at #56. Concerns about the President's reliance on flip flop Biden, the worsening Covid death toll and the general acceptance that Taiwan is economically dependant on China saw a massive defeat of the pro Western ruling party. Funny, didn't get any coverage to speak of here in Oz. Would've upset the narrative probably but then would much of our lot give a tinkers.

Apart from all that, you don't care for the Sheeple description? As an educator you must see them in front of you every period - the great majority curious about and/or interested in nothing but banalities. There's no reason to think that Taiwan is any different. My former numbskull student, now a popular journo, is out there "educating" the Sheeple on Russia and China fgs.

[Random Rooster]

I've been watching a clever demonstration by Chinese university students. They gather in the streets and hold up blank pieces of paper while remaining silent. It seems that saying or writing anything critical of the government can get you into some trouble.


Hang on, some here have encouraged others to think more independently. They are actually chanting pro-Xi slogans while holding banners supporting the government. It's the western media doctoring it all to make China look bad. Who is responsible for all this unrest? Has to be Biden and the USA!!!

[Paddo Colt 61]

Huh?? Yeah buddy, China's evil. Stick to footy comment.

[Random Rooster]

Huh?? Yeah buddy, China's evil. Stick to footy comment.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...ts-2022-11-27/

Fake news....dont you think?

[King Salvo]

Ah yes some historical Facts about China.

The massive majority of countries strongly doubt to say the least the accuracy of China's Covid Figures - 327,964 cases and 5,233 deaths from a population of 1.426 Billion - impossible

The US government does not officially support nor endorse Falun Gong. It is required by law to remain neutral towards all religion/sects/cults, unless the group poses dangers to the United States and Citizens of the United States

Religion inspired the Taiping Rebellion????????????? - It was a peasant rebellion against the Qing Dynasty in regard to poor economic prospects for the majority of the population

I assume when you say " In China demagoguery has a frightful past" you mean for instance your Comrade Mao's reign of terror from 1949 to 1976

Interesting that you say " There are demagogues in every society and in "democracies" demagoguery/fascism is the last card in the pack when the elites (the rich) don't get their own way"

mmm so what cards were your fellow Comrades in Stalin/Mao/Castro/Ho Chi Minh / Pol Pot/ Kim Il-sung for instance playing as 100's of millions were dealt either ultra extreme harsh prison sentences and life ending hands by these monsters under the evil repressive communist ideology of cult personality.

China

Good that the Students are only holding up pieces of blank paper.

Of course Soviet Union/Russia/China/Any Commie Regime apologist Comrade "Red Sheepie" Paddo will say the following didn't happen as there was No Great Leap Forward/Cultural Revolution/Purges/Gulags/Re-Education concentration camps/ mass starvation/ mass murder and executions - All US led West Capitalist Running Dogs propaganda

One of Comrade Paddo's Favourite leaders Comrade Mao mobilised the students into forming the Maoist Red Guards to assist him with his "Cultural Revolution" - 1966 to 1976. - There were 12 million plus of these Red Guards which was basically Mao's private army - Maoist

Red Guard Aims

" Chairman Mao has defined our future as an armed revolutionary youth organization.... So if Chairman Mao is our Red-Commander-in-Chief and we are his Red Guards, who can stop us? First we will make China Maoist from inside out and then we will help the working people of other countries make the world red...and then the whole universe "

Basically Mao tasked the Red Guards with destroying all symbols of China's pre-communist past which included buildings , ancient artifacts and gravesites of notable historical Chinese figures. i.e The Four Olds - Old Ideas, Old Culture, Old Customs, and Old Habits.

Red Guard units attacked and persecuted local party leaders as well as schoolteachers and school officials, intellectuals , persons of traditional views, bourgeois elements , anyone they didn't like to look of across China .

Shame trials were also held by the Red Guards with those denounced being quickly dispatched of - 8 million or so were murdered

Ah yes the ultimate cult of personality book - Mao's Little Red Book - Not only compulsory reading for all but one had to know it chapter and verse and carry it on one's person or off to one of the many re-education concentration camps or worse - quick trial and life over

[Paddo Colt 61]

* Dubious news at best Randy - a Western News agency after all. Tiananmen Square anyone? I call bullshit.

* After such an horrendous period that you describe King, one would think that such an evil regime would be mightily unpopular and easy meat for a destabilizing West but the opposite is true. You might have the answer to that?

* Taiping was quasi Christian. Get a better search engine.

* You mean show trials like Assange's?

[King Salvo]

* Dubious news at best Randy - a Western News agency after all. Tiananmen Square anyone? I call bullshit.

* After such an horrendous period that you describe King, one would think that such an evil regime would be mightily unpopular and easy meat for a destabilizing West but the opposite is true. You might have the answer to that?

* Taiping was quasi Christian. Get a better search engine.

* You mean show trials like Assange's?

General

Totalitarian and Authoritarian regimes crack down hard on any citizen unrest as was seen during the Great Leap Forward/Cultural Revolution/Tiananmen Square for an example - similar to the Soviet Union's actions in Hungary/Poland/ Czechoslovakia in quelling citizen unrest.in these countries.

Would need a lot of like minded folk and a coordinated approach to overthrow the evil communist regime in China as everything is totally controlled by the CCP and the CCP have a history of bringing in their military to quell such unrest and protests.

Who would have thought that your beloved Soviet Union would collapse - the end was near when you look at what was happening in Poland (Solidarity) and when the evil Totalitarian and Authoritarian regime of Nicolae Ceaușescu and his wife Elena Ceaușescu was finally overthrown in Romania in 1989 for instance.

Citizens of those former Soviet Block Countries had more than enough of Communism and it is not a case of if but when the same fate happens to the evil Totalitarian and Authoritarian Commie regimes in China/North Korea for instance.

So the Supposed show trial of Assange in your opinion is the best you can come up with in reference to your Anti Capitalists/ West views - mmm what do you call those 10's of million of "trials" in China / Soviet Union and under other Commie Regimes then?

According to your Comrade Mao and fellow Comrade Chinese Commies Taiping was a proto-communist uprising- Mao Zedong regarded the Taiping Rebellion (1850-1862) as an unfinished revolution.- so naught to do with religion according to your Comrade Mao.

Tiananmen Square

Of course you would call Tienanmen Square in your words "bullshit" like you do for anything your beloved communist regimes have even done.

Up to 10.000 died during these protests from April to June 1989 - It ended when the Chinese Communist Government declared martial law and sent in the People's Revolutionary Army to forcibly suppress and end the protests.

The protesters were seeking political, social, and economic reforms similar to those we have in the West which of course you enjoy as well.

Chinese Communist Party moderates advocated negotiating with the demonstrators and offering concessions.They were overruled by hard-liner Maoists led Chinese premier Li Peng and paramount elder statesman Deng Xinoping who, insisted on forcibly suppressing the protests.

The Senior Chinese Commo leaders even had flights on standby as they were not sure what the army would do - quell the protests or join the protesters

[Paddo Colt 61]

Wishful thinking. China's achievements speak for themselves. The government has 96% approval according to the Brookings Institute global surveys. You're not gonna change that with your fulminations. Can we leave it that now?

[Random Rooster]

Wishful thinking. China's achievements speak for themselves. The government has 96% approval according to the Brookings Institute global surveys. You're not gonna change that with your fulminations. Can we leave it that now?

Well why didn't you say that in the first place.....you win!

Got a link to this survey? I'd love to know how it was done

[Paddo Colt 61]

Google Brookings institute China survey or some such. The Institute is research arm of Harvard University that hotbed of Communist troublemakers.

[King Salvo]

Well why didn't you say that in the first place.....you win!

Got a link to this survey? I'd love to know how it was done

A dodgy survey to say the least conducted jointly by a private polling company and a Chinese polling company - 32,000 selected respondents - CCP officials perhaps

Does Comrade Paddo really think that an adverse polling result would be allowable - any "polling" conducted would be very much targeted and controlled by the CCP.

Strange that Comrade Paddo is relying on a Western source though as well to him any Western Sources are not to be believed - only Sheepies believe it

Comrade Paddo is right though " China's achievements speak for themselves " - mmm great leap forward / cultural revolution / Tiananmen Square etc - 80 million plus knocked off and more than likely the same number or more sent to their notorious re-education-concentration camps

Not forgetting where Avian Flu and Covid 19 started for instance - China

Not sure what Comrade Paddo is - is he a Stalinist with his dislike of anything Western or Maoist with his high praise of anything Chinese related

I wonder ??

[Random Rooster]

A dodgy survey to say the least conducted jointly by a private polling company and a Chinese polling company - 32,000 selected respondents - CPP officials perhaps

Does Comrade Paddo really think that an adverse polling result would be allowable - any "polling" conducted would be very much targeted and controlled by the CCP.

Stramge that Comrade Paddo is relying on a Western source though as well to him any Western Sources are not to be believed - only Sheepies believe it

Comrade Paddo is right though " China's achievements speak for themselves " - mmm great leap forward / cultural revolution / Tiananmen Square etc - 80 million plus knocked off and more than likely the same number or more sent to their notorious re-education-concentration camps

Not forgetting where Avian Flue and Covid 19 started for instance - China

Not sure what Comrade Paddo is - is he a Stalinist with his dislike of anything Western or Maoist with his high praise of anything Chinese related

I wonder ??

I couldn't find it so you've done better than i have.

I never heard of Brookings Research before but they have something interesting information on China......

https://www.brookings.edu/research/w...-and-covid-19/

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I couldn't find it so you've done better than i have.

I never heard of Brookings Research before but they have something interesting information on China......

https://www.brookings.edu/research/w...-and-covid-19/

The Brookings Institute is a large think tank (the most cited [and misquoted] think tank by US politicians). However, I presume he's talking about the Brookings-Tsinghua Center for Public Policy...

> From October 2006 until October 2020, the Brookings Tsinghua Center for Public Policy operated as an institutional partnership between Brookings Institution and Tsinghua University.

> Since October 2020, Brookings has maintained a limited partnership with Tsinghua University School of Public Policy and Management that is intended to facilitate jointly organized dialogues, meetings, and/or events.

Guessing he's citing hearsay from a fellow Menadue Cultist though.