Let's get the Facts Right on China.

[Paddo Colt 61]

The 7.30 Report on ABC on Tuesday last was cringeworthy. After the ambush of the Chinese ambassador by the commercial media meatheads at the National Press Club, the ABC's Sarah Ferguson gave a pathetic me too performance that was aggressive, biased and rude. Even then, the ambassador managed to make her look like just another half baked raver.

It seems that whenever an issue involves China, anything goes. Ferguson and the rest of the MSM have been making hay on the UN report on matters in Xinjiang province. This is a "second report" - revised as it were, and the Chinese reject it. What would we in OZ do with a Xinjiang province, ethnically and culturally different, dissident and involved in attacks on the state not to mention its alliance with jihadis in the Middle East and Central Asia? The East Turkestan Islamic secessionist movement was proscribed as a terrorist organisation even by the US until Pompeo saw propaganda value in removing it from the list. We also don't see/hear the same level of emotion with regard to Palestine ad we're fine with that apparently.

Genocide? Even the new British PM has plans to officially proclaim a genocide in Xinjiang but in so doing betrays an ignorance of what the word means. It's supposed to mean a forced reduction of a population but the Uyghurs are multiplying. The One Child Policy did not apply to them and other ethnic minorities and the rate of Uyghur population growth to 2020 was 16% compared to a Han Chinese growth of 0.5 % in the same period - genocide?

By contrast, we, here, have lent support to far more genocidal outfits like the sadist and brutal Pinochet regime in Chile which was a creation of the US. Our government still refuses to declassify the record of our "security" agencies in that human tragedy. And there are many other examples.

There was once supposed to be a massacre in Tiananmen Square which, for some reason, nobody actually on the Square seemed to notice. That "massacre" is now never cited except by the ignorant and ill informed ( Oh, I forgot, -Ism had a mate who was there and saw it all. Lucky to escape with her life I'm told, We can't keep on believing this Right Wing hysterical tosh, facts are important and we are not being at all well served by our stenographic media. If we keep swallowing this tripe we become more the Australia depicted in the recently posted poem - happy but real dumb.

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

The 7.30 Report on ABC on Tuesday last was cringeworthy. After the ambush of the Chineses ambassador by the commercial media meatheads at the National Press Club, the ABC's Sarah Ferguson gave a pathetic me too performance that was aggressive, biased and rude. Even then, the ambassador managed to make her look like just another half baked raver.

It seems that whenever an issue involves China, anything goes. Ferguson and the rest of the MSM have been making hay on the UN report on matters in Xinjiang province. This is a "second report" - revised as it were, and the Chinese reject it. What would we in OZ do with a Xinjiang province, ethnically and culturally different, dissident and involved in attacks on the state not to mention its alliance with jihadis in the Middle East and Central Asia? The East Turkestan Islamic secessionist movement was proscribed as a terrorist organisation even by the US until Pompeo saw propaganda value in removing it from the list.

Genocide? Even the new British PM has plans to officially proclaim a genocide in Xinjiang but in so doing betrays an ignorance of what the word means. It's supposed to mean a forced reduction of a population but the Uyghurs are multiplying. The One Child Policy did not apply to them and other ethnic minorities and the rate of Uyghur population growth to 2020 was 16% compared to a Han Chinese growth of 0.5 % in the same period - genocide?

By contrast, we, here, have lent support to far more genocidal outfits like the sadist and brutal Pinochet regime in Chile which was a creation of the US. Our government still refuses to declassify the record of our "security" agencies in that human tragedy. And there are many other examples.

There was once supposed to be a massacre in Tiananmen Square which, for some reason, nobody actually on the Square seemed to notice. That "massacre" is now never cited except by the ignorant and ill informed ( Oh, I forgot, -Ism had a mate wh was there and saw it all. Lucky to escape with her life I'm told, We can't keep on believing this Right Wing hysterical tosh, facts are important and we are no being at all well served by our stenographic media. If we keep swallowing this tripe we become more the Australia depicted in the recently posted poem happy but real dumb.

You are out of your mind old man.

[mightyrooster]

Hmm...pass.

[eddie]

You denying Tiananmen Square again???
Man, your posts seem to get more bias all the time.
Oh, and anyone who disagrees with your raving is an idiot, right?

[Andrew Walker]

I prefer the poetry PC

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Far out tell someone who cares.

Wrong site bud....and take your meds on time, every time.

[Paddo Colt 61]

To all the foregoing posters:
Do some research. Tiananmen is never mentioned now officially Edwin (except by you and others who have only the merest grasp of anything much). "You relaxed in your Summer stupor. All year." Hello...."Wikileaks blew the whistle exposing tranches of US official documents, some of which contained the truth of Tiananmen as recorded by the Americans themselves - secret, not to be released but you can read it now and you haven't bothered? Now that's ingrained thought and it applies to all of you. "You sleep when you walk, Too hot to think". What are you clinging to? Not truth that's for certain. "Wait for other people to do. Follow the leader. Dull at school. Can't imagine",

[Andrew Walker]

Even taking all of that into account. I still prefer the poetry along with your critique on others thoughts on it. Can we have another poem please

[Andrew Walker]

Far out tell someone who cares.

Wrong site bud....and take your meds on time, every time.

Today is are you ok day and as such is not the day for such insults. Please be a little more sensitive next time

[mightyrooster]

Looks like you should just switch off the ABC (and 9, 7, 10 etc) and stick strictly to China Central news or whatever it’s called to get all your ‘facts’.

[zac]

i watched the ferguson interview and thought it a bit hectoring. not defending what china's doing in xinjiang but it's pointless getting stuck into china's ambassador over it - he's never going to say 'yes sarah, you're right but it's my job to defend the indefensible'. would have been better to explore ways in which our relationship with them could be better - did the ambassador, who lives here and has a feel for the place, have any constructive, realistic suggestions about how the relationship could be more mutually beneficial etc.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Today is are you ok day and as such is not the day for such insults. Please be a little more sensitive next time

Selective scolding....hmm.

RU OK?

[Andrew Walker]

Selective scolding....hmm.

RU OK?

I beg your pardon I have been very kind today. Yes I did pull up yoir little friend re Casty, but did it in a kind way where I gave the opportunity for it to be said said or shown I had it wrong

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=zac; i watched the ferguson interview and thought it a bit hectoring. not defending what china's doing in xinjiang but it's pointless getting stuck into china's ambassador over it - he's never going to say 'yes sarah, you're right but it's my job to defend the indefensible'. [B]would have been better to explore ways in which our relationship with them could be better -[/B] did the ambassador, who lives here and has a feel for the place, have any constructive, realistic suggestions about how the relationship could be more mutually beneficial etc.

You're a sensible bloke Zac but you seem reflexively anti China. Don't sweat that, the polling tells us you're not Robinson by a long chalk but what is "indefensible" that's not American fabrication (same in Ukraine)? A Stanford University study tells us that US intelligence permeates Youtube and has for yonks past.

And the Chinese have, in fact, suggested how the relationship might be better. Couldn't have made it any clearer, they wrote it down. All of it very reasonable. The brain dead and the militant in our media dubbed it a list of "demands". End of Chinese attempt.

And thank you for inquiring with regard as to how it feels to be the smartest in the room. It is burden and terribly hard to bear I can assure you but that sensitive thought of yours is the sort of thing that keeps me going.

I've had plenty of humbling things show me that I am of very modest intelligence, from IT and space science to people at work and even watching a good carpenter. There was kid came into Year 7 at North Sydney BH in the 90s, he was 10 and a half years old and had already completed 4 Unit Maths in primary school. His Math sessions were spent at Sydney U. There are millions like him.

[zac]

You're a sensible bloke Zac but you seem reflexively anti China. Don't sweat that, the polling tells us you're not Robinson by a long chalk but what is "indefensible" that's not American fabrication (same in Ukraine)? A Stanford University study tells us that US intelligence permeates Youtube and has for yonks past.

And the Chinese have, in fact, suggested how the relationship might be better. Couldn't have made it any clearer, they wrote it down. All of it very reasonable. The brain dead and the militant in our media dubbed it a list of "demands". End of Chinese attempt.

And thank you for inquiring with regard as to how it feels to be the smartest in the room. It is burden and terribly hard to bear I can assure you but that sensitive thought of yours is the sort of thing that keeps me going.

I've had plenty of humbling things show me that I am of very modest intelligence, from IT and space science to people at work and even watching a good carpenter. There was kid came into Year 7 at North Sydney BH in the 90s, he was 10 and a half years old and had already completed 4 Unit Maths in primary school. His Math sessions were spent at Sydney U. There are millions like him.

i'm not unintelligently anti-china. i'm aware that there are different cultural perspectives and what seems natural to us doesn't seem natural to them and who's to say that we're necessarily in the right. whether or not what is happening in xinjiang is indefensible wasn't my point - i meant that it's the ambassador's job to be the mouthpiece for china and he's never going to be critical. it's a waste of of an opportunity for a journalist to expect him to agree with attacks on china.

the smartest guy in the room jibe? you go alright