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The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe | Poetry Foundation

The Simpsons - Edgar Allan Poe: The Raven - YouTube

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=mightyrooster; Lawson's poem is easy to interpret even for us dumbos and sheeple. It's very blunt and not very interesting.

If I've told you once..MR, don't sweat the small stuff, though I admit that dumbo-ism is not so small......

It does, however, sound as though the poem has touched a monarchist nerve there. Not surprising, you're not Robinson, support for a republic has fallen sharply since Betty's assumption into heaven. One thing that the sheeple thrive on is the cliche and we've had an avalanche of them lately. Predictably, they're the same ones that Lawson's having a go at - wonderful, wise woman, mother of the Commonwealth etc. Sheeple think in cliches and eventually they pay a price for doing so but we can always count on our fearless media to assure us, in cliche form, that black is white.

[eddie]

Those who can..............do.
Those who can't.............teach.

[mightyrooster]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n964789][QUOTE=mightyrooster; Lawson's poem is easy to interpret even for us dumbos and sheeple. It's very blunt and not very interesting.

If I've told you once..MR, don't sweat the small stuff, though I admit that dumbo-ism is not so small......

It does, however, sound as though the poem has touched a monarchist nerve there. Not surprising, you're not Robinson, support for a republic has fallen sharply since Betty's assumption into heaven. One thing that the sheeple thrive on is the cliche and we've had an avalanche of them lately. Predictably, they're the same ones that Lawson's having a go at - wonderful, wise woman, mother of the Commonwealth etc. Sheeple think in cliches and eventually they pay a price for doing so but we can always count on our fearless media to assure us, in cliche form, that black is white.

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I'm not a monarchist. But I did admire and respect Queen Elizabeth II, since I must repeat myself yet again. But that's ok, as I'm a very patient person. I said Lawson's poem is not very interesting because it's simple and does not use a lot of literary devices, apart from repetition. But I'm sure if I've missed something I will be informed, admonished and graded accordingly.

edited to correct spelling.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=eddie; Those who can..............do. Those who can't.............teach.

That hoary old line had to arrive sooner or later and who better to quote it than ol' "gut feeling" Eddie who proves yet again Thucydides' observation that MOST people believe the first opinion they hear on any topic.

It expresses an anti intellectual, book burning, right wing sentiment that may well see you expelled from this poetry thread Edwin. In fact, you're on your last warning - any more cliches and off you go.

Please take example from MR's humility. Always willing to accept correction from the master for a multitude of wrong thinking. If she was to realise that emotion often gets the better of her, the blocks to clearer thought processes might dissipate. In fact on "The Queen" she's correct, the poem is pretty much doggerel with no devices, apart from repetition to speak of, as is most of Lawsons' stuff. The masses were his audience and he was a polemicist more than anything else.

PS I didn't pinch the Daliah /arse from "Breaker" though it was an historically accurate choice for a Boer War movie as it is clearly pre Federation with the colours being true to the RW&B. The national colours after 1901 were originally blue and gold (not gold and green as most people assume).

[Andrew Walker]

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PS I didn't pinch the Daliah /arse from "Breaker" though it was an historically accurate choice for a Boer War movie as it is clearly pre Federation with the colours being true to the RW&B. The national colours after 1901 were originally blue and gold (not blue and green as most people assume).[/QUOTE]

Either way you are guilty of plagiarism as you tried to pass the work off as your own. Shame on you

[Paddo Colt 61]

You're on thin ice Walker. Undermining authority cannot and will not be tolerated. On my ship excellence is standard and standard is unacceptable. Take note son. I don't want to have to write to your parents.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=007: The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe | Poetry Foundation.

Poe was the flag bearer for Romanticism in America and The Raven and one of his other poems, Annabel Lee, are very similar in concept to Browning's dramatic monologues. Both involve introspective ravings of the deranged. IMO both narrators are psychopaths who have murdered their lovers and to that extent the poems are rip offs of Browning's Porphyria's Lover.

[mightyrooster]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n964901][QUOTE=eddie; Those who can..............do. Those who can't.............teach.

That hoary old line had to arrive sooner or later and who better to quote it than ol' "gut feeling" Eddie who proves yet again Thucydides' observation that MOST people believe the first opinion they hear on any topic.

It expresses an anti intellectual, book burning, right wing sentiment that may well see you expelled from this poetry thread Edwin. In fact, you're on your last warning - any more cliches and off you go.

Please take example from MR's humility. Always willing to accept correction from the master for a multitude of wrong thinking. If she was to realise that emotion often gets the better of her, the blocks to clearer thought processes might dissipate. In fact on "The Queen" she's correct, the poem is pretty much doggerel with no devices, apart from repetition to speak of, as is most of Lawsons' stuff. The masses were his audience and he was a polemicist more than anything else.

PS I didn't pinch the Daliah /arse from "Breaker" though it was an historically accurate choice for a Boer War movie as it is clearly pre Federation with the colours being true to the RW&B. The national colours after 1901 were originally blue and gold (not blue and green as most people assume).[/QUOTE]

Lol…humility you say? The ‘master’? ‘multitude of wrong thinking’?

[eddie]

On my ship excellence is standard and standard is unacceptable.

Now you're stealing lines from "The Caine Mutiny"..........

Have you got anything original apart from your continual misuse of the quote function?

[redwhiteblue]

Soliloquy of the Spanish Cloister
Here, a monk in a cloister is obsessed with another monk who is his complete opposite. The fellow's simple saintliness and devotion stirs the narrator's conscience but he does his best to cancel that by his sneering and lurid hatred of the other.
I've chosen it because in a lot of ways it reflects the Pen and some of the characters on it......

That’s a very interesting observation Paddo and I sent it to my friends in the UK who think you are very witty..I know it’s lost on most on here and has gone over their heads but we know what you mean. I excelled at English at school (not bad for a child in a small country town with working class immigrant grandparents who came on a boat in the 1920’s) and I also made the top 5% in the state when I was 15.

It reminds me of a fable I once read and a film I watched yesterday afternoon when it was raining.. Well, the village idiot/court jester gets found out as he had been masquerading as King (but only in his own mind) and his tiresome lies and tall tales soon get discovered by those he has hoodwinked into following him around the sneaky back lanes of the township. They in turn feel mighty foolish for believing his nonsense and hitching their stars to his failed and broken down wagon.

The village Matriarch stays in her bay of roses near the heightened cliffs of Dover, where she continues to shine her light and radiate her positivity onto those she cares for. She lives in peace & prosperity surrounded by beauty, music, flowers, dogs and horses, under the watchful and secure gaze of a older, taller man in a long coat standing guard over her, making her feel safe and protected from the idiot lunatic peasant fringes..

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=eddie; Now you're stealing lines from "The Caine Mutiny"..........

Actually, I purposely used the Captain Queeg quotation in the context of Walker's mutinous posts expecting that readers would recognise it. Full marks to you in that regard.

There is nothing new under the Sun Edwin. We take what we can use. Deal with it.

[zac]

here's for you paddo - was alec derwent hope your pen name?


Australia
Alec Derwent Hope AC OBE (21 July 1907 – 13 July 2000)

A nation of trees, drab green and desolate grey
In the field uniform of modern wars
Darkens her hills, those endless, outstretched paws
Of Sphinx demolished or stone lion worn away.

They call her a young country, but they lie:
She is the last of lands, the emptiest,
A woman beyond her change of life, a breast
Still tender but within the womb is dry.

Without songs, architecture, history:
The emotions and superstitions of younger lands,
Her rivers of water drown among inland sands,
The river of her immense stupidity

Floods her monotonous tribes from Cairns to Perth.
In them at last the ultimate men arrive
Whose boast is not: 'we live' but 'we survive',
A type who will inhabit the dying earth.

And her five cities, like five teeming sores,
Each drains her: a vast parasite robber-state
Where second-hand Europeans pullulate
Timidly on the edge of alien shores.

Yet there are some like me turn gladly home
From the lush jungle of modern thought, to find
The Arabian desert of the human mind,
Hoping, if still from the deserts the prophets come,

Such savage and scarlet as no green hills dare
Springs in that waste, some spirit which escapes
The learned doubt, the chatter of cultured apes
Which is called civilization over there.

[Andrew Walker]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n965079][QUOTE=eddie; Now you're stealing lines from "The Caine Mutiny"..........

Actually, I purposely used the Captain Queeg quotation in the context of Walker's mutinous posts expecting that readers would recognise it. Full marks to you in that regard.

There is nothing new under the Sun Edwin. We take what we can use. Deal with it.
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No you tried to pass the work off as your own You are a plagiarist. Now what are you going to do, cane me ? expel me ? I know how about writing a letter to my deceased Parents. When I tapped in to the spirit world on Wednesday, both were very amused with my recent writings. My Father really liked this one

There was a great man named Frank
Who once drove a tank
he was a hard worker
and not a shirker
who left a lot of money in the bank

[eddie]

Actually, I purposely used the Captain Queeg quotation in the context of Walker's mutinous posts expecting that readers would recognise it. Full marks to you in that regard.
There is nothing new under the Sun Edwin. We take what we can use. Deal with it.

I shall.
But to further quote the famous Captain Queeg..........."You can't assume a goddamn thing in the navy".