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  • Originally posted by eddie View Post

    Oh dear...............have I upset you again?

    You claim to be a teacher, I could teach you a thing or two.
    You've demonstrated an inability to learn from your mistakes, which is the height of stupidity.
    I feel sorry for your students...................if you've actually got any.
    Strawman got nought.

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    • Originally posted by Andrew Walker View Post

      I will be very kind to you.

      There was a good lady named MR
      Whom I think is an absolute star
      she is a rare find
      as she is always kind
      I would never push her too far
      Thanks Andy.

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      • Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post
        Ozymandias

        BY PERCY BYSSHE SHELLEY

        I met a traveller from an antique land,

        Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone

        Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,

        Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,

        And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,

        Tell that its sculptor well those passions read

        Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,

        The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;

        And on the pedestal, these words appear:

        My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;

        Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

        Nothing beside remains. Round the decay

        Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare

        The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
        the sentiment is alright but ozymandias did have his time in the sun, and a lot of people don't get that chance so by one measure he's done alright but his obvious mistake was thinking that his time in the sun was eternal

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        • Here is another from the romantic school. It's by one of your favourites MR - Coleridge. Again it is an illustration of the wonder of imagination as is the Ancient Mariner of your schooldays. The Limetree is a masterpiece of the genre.

          The poem recounts a day when the writer was unable, his foot having been scalded with boiling milk, to take a group of friends on what we might call a bushwalk in the environs around his home. He is unable to go physically but his imagination follows them on the journey as he sits, alone, under the branches of the Lime Tree in his garden.

          Nature was an enormous part of the Romantic movement because of its impact on the senses and, therefore, on the imagination and this poem reflects that role in its rich sensuality. There is wonderfully detailed sight and sound imagery as, in imagination, he accompanies them through every stage of their walk


          This Lime-tree Bower my Prison



          BY SAMUEL TAYLOR COLERIDGE

          Well, they are gone, and here must I remain,

          This lime-tree bower my prison! I have lost

          Beauties and feelings, such as would have been

          Most sweet to my remembrance even when age

          Had dimm'd mine eyes to blindness! They, meanwhile,

          Friends, whom I never more may meet again,

          On springy heath, along the hill-top edge,

          Wander in gladness, and wind down, perchance,

          To that still roaring dell, of which I told;

          The roaring dell, o'erwooded, narrow, deep,

          And only speckled by the mid-day sun;

          Where its slim trunk the ash from rock to rock

          Flings arching like a bridge;—that branchless ash,

          Unsunn'd and damp, whose few poor yellow leaves

          Ne'er tremble in the gale, yet tremble still,

          Fann'd by the water-fall! and there my friends

          Behold the dark green file of long lank weeds,

          That all at once (a most fantastic sight!)

          Still nod and drip beneath the dripping edge

          Of the blue clay-stone.


          Now, my friends emerge

          Beneath the wide wide Heaven—and view again

          The many-steepled tract magnificent

          Of hilly fields and meadows, and the sea,

          With some fair bark, perhaps, whose sails light up

          The slip of smooth clear blue betwixt two Isles

          Of purple shadow! Yes! they wander on

          In gladness all; but thou, methinks, most glad,

          My gentle-hearted Charles! for thou hast pined

          And hunger'd after Nature, many a year,

          In the great City pent, winning thy way

          With sad yet patient soul, through evil and pain

          And strange calamity! Ah! slowly sink

          Behind the western ridge, thou glorious Sun!

          Shine in the slant beams of the sinking orb,

          Ye purple heath-flowers! richlier burn, ye clouds!

          Live in the yellow light, ye distant groves!

          And kindle, thou blue Ocean! So my friend

          Struck with deep joy may stand, as I have stood,

          Silent with swimming sense; yea, gazing round

          On the wide landscape, gaze till all doth seem

          Less gross than bodily; and of such hues

          As veil the Almighty Spirit, when yet he makes

          Spirits perceive his presence.


          A delight

          Comes sudden on my heart, and I am glad

          As I myself were there! Nor in this bower,

          This little lime-tree bower, have I not mark'd

          Much that has sooth'd me. Pale beneath the blaze

          Hung the transparent foliage; and I watch'd

          Some broad and sunny leaf, and lov'd to see

          The shadow of the leaf and stem above

          Dappling its sunshine! And that walnut-tree

          Was richly ting'd, and a deep radiance lay

          Full on the ancient ivy, which usurps

          Those fronting elms, and now, with blackest mass

          Makes their dark branches gleam a lighter hue

          Through the late twilight: and though now the bat

          Wheels silent by, and not a swallow twitters,

          Yet still the solitary humble-bee

          Sings in the bean-flower! Henceforth I shall know

          That Nature ne'er deserts the wise and pure;

          No plot so narrow, be but Nature there,

          No waste so vacant, but may well employ

          Each faculty of sense, and keep the heart

          Awake to Love and Beauty! and sometimes

          'Tis well to be bereft of promis'd good,

          That we may lift the soul, and contemplate

          With lively joy the joys we cannot share.

          My gentle-hearted Charles! when the last rook

          Beat its straight path along the dusky air

          Homewards, I blest it! deeming its black wing

          (Now a dim speck, now vanishing in light)

          Had cross'd the mighty Orb's dilated glory,

          While thou stood'st gazing; or, when all was still,

          Flew creeking o'er thy head, and had a charm

          For thee, my gentle-hearted Charles, to whom

          No sound is dissonant which tells of Life.

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          • [QUOTE=mightyrooster; Thanks Andy.

            Since we seem to have a MR admiration circle going here, I'm adding some moderation.

            She called herself Rooster the Mighty
            And her posts were never flighty, nor rude or condescending. She was conscious of ever offending.
            But she loved the US and the mainstream press
            So her posts are not worth recommending.
            Last edited by Paddo Colt 61; 09-29-2022, 02:31 PM. Reason: Improving a masterpiece.

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            • this thread soared for the stars and somewhat missed its mark but all good

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              • Originally posted by Dr. Voodoo Man View Post

                Strawman got nought.
                I think we may need MR to send you two to the naughty corner .

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                • Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post
                  Here is another from the romantic school. It's by one of your favourites MR - Coleridge. Again it is an illustration of the wonder of imagination as is the Ancient Mariner of your schooldays. The Limetree is a masterpiece of the genre.

                  The poem recounts a day when the writer was unable, his foot having been scalded with boiling milk, to take a group of friends on what we might call a bushwalk in the environs around his home. He is unable to go physically but his imagination follows them on the journey as he sits, alone, under the branches of the Lime Tree in his garden.

                  Nature was an enormous part of the Romantic movement because of its impact on the senses and, therefore, on the imagination and this poem reflects that role in its rich sensuality. There is wonderfully detailed sight and sound imagery as, in imagination, he accompanies them through every stage of their walk


                  This Lime-tree Bower my Prison



                  BY SAMUEL TAYLOR COLERIDGE

                  Well, they are gone, and here must I remain,

                  This lime-tree bower my prison! I have lost

                  Beauties and feelings, such as would have been

                  Most sweet to my remembrance even when age

                  Had dimm'd mine eyes to blindness! They, meanwhile,

                  Friends, whom I never more may meet again,

                  On springy heath, along the hill-top edge,

                  Wander in gladness, and wind down, perchance,

                  To that still roaring dell, of which I told;

                  The roaring dell, o'erwooded, narrow, deep,

                  And only speckled by the mid-day sun;

                  Where its slim trunk the ash from rock to rock

                  Flings arching like a bridge;—that branchless ash,

                  Unsunn'd and damp, whose few poor yellow leaves

                  Ne'er tremble in the gale, yet tremble still,

                  Fann'd by the water-fall! and there my friends

                  Behold the dark green file of long lank weeds,

                  That all at once (a most fantastic sight!)

                  Still nod and drip beneath the dripping edge

                  Of the blue clay-stone.


                  Now, my friends emerge

                  Beneath the wide wide Heaven—and view again

                  The many-steepled tract magnificent

                  Of hilly fields and meadows, and the sea,

                  With some fair bark, perhaps, whose sails light up

                  The slip of smooth clear blue betwixt two Isles

                  Of purple shadow! Yes! they wander on

                  In gladness all; but thou, methinks, most glad,

                  My gentle-hearted Charles! for thou hast pined

                  And hunger'd after Nature, many a year,

                  In the great City pent, winning thy way

                  With sad yet patient soul, through evil and pain

                  And strange calamity! Ah! slowly sink

                  Behind the western ridge, thou glorious Sun!

                  Shine in the slant beams of the sinking orb,

                  Ye purple heath-flowers! richlier burn, ye clouds!

                  Live in the yellow light, ye distant groves!

                  And kindle, thou blue Ocean! So my friend

                  Struck with deep joy may stand, as I have stood,

                  Silent with swimming sense; yea, gazing round

                  On the wide landscape, gaze till all doth seem

                  Less gross than bodily; and of such hues

                  As veil the Almighty Spirit, when yet he makes

                  Spirits perceive his presence.


                  A delight

                  Comes sudden on my heart, and I am glad

                  As I myself were there! Nor in this bower,

                  This little lime-tree bower, have I not mark'd

                  Much that has sooth'd me. Pale beneath the blaze

                  Hung the transparent foliage; and I watch'd

                  Some broad and sunny leaf, and lov'd to see

                  The shadow of the leaf and stem above

                  Dappling its sunshine! And that walnut-tree

                  Was richly ting'd, and a deep radiance lay

                  Full on the ancient ivy, which usurps

                  Those fronting elms, and now, with blackest mass

                  Makes their dark branches gleam a lighter hue

                  Through the late twilight: and though now the bat

                  Wheels silent by, and not a swallow twitters,

                  Yet still the solitary humble-bee

                  Sings in the bean-flower! Henceforth I shall know

                  That Nature ne'er deserts the wise and pure;

                  No plot so narrow, be but Nature there,

                  No waste so vacant, but may well employ

                  Each faculty of sense, and keep the heart

                  Awake to Love and Beauty! and sometimes

                  'Tis well to be bereft of promis'd good,

                  That we may lift the soul, and contemplate

                  With lively joy the joys we cannot share.

                  My gentle-hearted Charles! when the last rook

                  Beat its straight path along the dusky air

                  Homewards, I blest it! deeming its black wing

                  (Now a dim speck, now vanishing in light)

                  Had cross'd the mighty Orb's dilated glory,

                  While thou stood'st gazing; or, when all was still,

                  Flew creeking o'er thy head, and had a charm

                  For thee, my gentle-hearted Charles, to whom

                  No sound is dissonant which tells of Life.
                  I quite like this one, being a lover of nature and landscapes. Plus it only has slight religious connotations, whereas The Ancient Mariner was really full on. The thing I hated about the latter was it is sooo sooo long. I don’t think my 17 year old self could handle it and English was my least favourite subject.

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                  • [QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n965598][QUOTE=mightyrooster; Thanks Andy.

                    Since we seem to have a MR admiration circle going here, I'm adding some moderation.

                    She called herself Rooster the Mighty
                    And her posts were never flighty, nor rude or condescending. She was conscious of ever offending.
                    But she loved the US and the mainstream press
                    So her posts I'm not recommending.
                    [/QUOTE]

                    LOL!
                    Very good Paddo, except for the factual inaccuracies like the fact I hate the US.

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                    • Originally posted by Rooster1908 View Post

                      I think we may need MR to send you two to the naughty corner .
                      I haven’t done that since my kids were in primary school. Now they’re both taller than me!

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                      • Originally posted by mightyrooster View Post

                        I haven’t done that since my kids were in primary school. Now they’re both taller than me!
                        I'm 5. 11 with a 6ft 2 in daughter ,

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                        • [QUOTE=mightyrooster;
                          I quite like this one, being a lover of nature and landscapes. Plus it only has slight religious connotations, whereas The Ancient Mariner was really full on. The thing I hated about the latter was it is sooo sooo long. I don't think my 17 year old self could handle it and English was my least favourite subject.

                          You must have had a poor English teacher in the senior years (there are plenty of them, more so than competent ones) because you display more than adequate writing skills so all that needed to be done was to teach you how to discuss. I've seen TV reports at HSC time when some loon (usually female unforch) is seen advising "Write, write, write!" which is lunacy. The idea with a text like the Ancient Mariner is to have a reasonable knowledge of the dramatic situation and to be able to discuss generally and conversationally, much as you do here. The HSC rewards your fluency and precision and the text is merely a stimulus that allows you to demonstrate your skills.

                          Glad that you liked the Limetree though I don't see any religious reference in it apart from "heaven" and "steeples" which are simply literary in this case and "Mighty Spirit" which I read as nature. Nor do I recall religious references in "Mariner" which is Coleridge's contribution to the myth and legend genre which, as I've said, was a big part of the Romantic movement's thematic concerns. The Mariner sinned against nature and nature took its revenge.
                          Do you see how the Lime tree poem exalts the role of imagination?
                          Hopefully the "Mariner" hasn't spooked you with regard to analysis.
                          Last edited by Paddo Colt 61; 09-29-2022, 04:32 PM.

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                          • A Couplet:
                            An extremely odd fellow called Walker well known as a bagger and talker
                            Loved to diss and take the piss but Heaven, please, no more of this.

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                            • Originally posted by Rooster1908 View Post

                              I'm 5. 11 with a 6ft 2 in daughter ,
                              For some reason the kids of today just seem to be getting taller and taller. Or maybe I’m just shrinking as I get older!

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                              • [QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n965720][QUOTE=mightyrooster;
                                I quite like this one, being a lover of nature and landscapes. Plus it only has slight religious connotations, whereas The Ancient Mariner was really full on. The thing I hated about the latter was it is sooo sooo long. I don't think my 17 year old self could handle it and English was my least favourite subject.

                                You must have had a poor English teacher in the senior years (there are plenty of them, more so than competent ones) because you display more than adequate writing skills so all that needed to be done was to teach you how to discuss. I've seen TV reports at HSC time when some loon (usually female unforch) is seen advising "Write, write, write!" which is lunacy. The idea with a text like the Ancient Mariner is to have a reasonable knowledge of the dramatic situation and to be able to discuss generally and conversationally, much as you do here. The HSC rewards your fluency and precision and the text is merely a stimulus that allows you to demonstrate your skills.

                                Glad that you liked the Limetree though I don't see any religious reference in it apart from "heaven" and "steeples" which are simply literary in this case and "Mighty Spirit" which I read as nature. Nor do I recall religious references in "Mariner" which is Coleridge's contribution to the myth and legend genre which, as I've said, was a big part of the Romantic movement's thematic concerns. The Mariner sinned against nature and nature took its revenge.
                                Do you see how the Lime tree poem exalts the role of imagination?
                                Hopefully the "Mariner" hasn't spooked you with regard to analysis.[/QUOTE]
                                Yes, I guess ‘Mariner’ uses religious symbolism to get the general message across that if you allow selfishness and pride to distract you then this may lead you astray and then you will need to find your way to redemption. As for the Lime Tree one, yes I see that. The writer got just as much enjoyment out of imagining what his friends might see on their walk as he would have if he was physically there with them. It’s like when you read a book and you use your imagination to fill in the blanks rather than have a movie do it for you.

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