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[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n976442][QUOTE=ism22;
Says the guy telling us...
1. Tienanmen Square never happened. All an invention of the CIA.
* Wikileaks released eyewitness documents from the US Embassy which suggest that the whole thing was a prpoaganda exercise. We've heard nothing official about it since but Assange has been doubled down on.
2. The CIA rigged Australia's 1975 election and forced Kerr to call it early.
* That is my firm opinion given the circumstances at the time and the current American plans for us as a US spearhead base. Also Kerr didn't need to be "forced", he had long term associations with American and British Inteiiligence. Why else did the coup happen? What? The nation didn't like the ALP government, it spent too much and everything was "too fast"?
3. The CIA plotted 9/11.
* The CIA certainly didn't prevent it. Other than that......
4. The CIA forced Putin to invade Ukraine.
* In a way you're correct there. American Intelligence orchestrated the Maydan coup (as it has done in numerous Regime change exercises since the War) which then led to the invitation to join NATO which then raised red flags in a Russia already surrounded and concerned for its security.
5. The CIA planned and executed the pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong.
* This is almost uninversally accepted and I have cited circumstantial evidence in some earlier posts. Riot on that scale requires money (lots of it), well organised communication and planning
Got any more conspiracy theories for us mate?
* I haven't ever got any conspiracy theories though the Whitlam coup involved big time conspiracy which is well documented.[/QUOTE]
What utter Nonsense Comrade Paddo - The above is just more evidence of how much you have been brainwashed by Leftist Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy theorists and Anti-West/Capitalism propaganda
The CIA must be the greatest organisation that has ever existed to do all the things you claim they do - ah yes your reply will be but it's on the menandue site though so in your mind it must be true -Brainwashing can do that
Of course no proof of any CIA involvement in Tienanmen square at all - how about people were sick off living under a Commo Authoritarian and Totalitarian regime and wanted freedoms that exist in the West - Ditto Hong Kong
CIA and Australian Election 1975- ah yes your firm opinion without proof of course - GG Kerr did the right thing in dismissing the train wreck of a Labor Government when Whitlam refused to call an election as there was no guarantee a half senate election that Whitlam wanted would resolve the impasse in the senate to pass a series of "money" bills as the Government would surely run out of money
The election result more than vindicated GG Kerr's decision.
Putin said in the early 2000's he respected Ukraine Borders and had no intention of taking over Crimea which now has changed to Russia has no borders - Russia initiated the war annexing the Crimea and Supporting Separatists in the Donbas including having Russian Troops on the ground and of course Invading Ukraine.
The Ukraine Government at the time reneged on signing the EU agreement - The Majority of Ukrainians wanted to integrate with Europe and the West and no longer wanted to be controlled by Moscow as Russia in history has committed terrible atrocities in Ukraine and to Ukrainians - Ukraine Holodomor for instance.
What is it about these Authoritarian and Totalitarian regimes as whenever there is civil unrest and protests - it's the CIA/West orchestrating it - It is Never what they have done or are doing to the people that ever causes this - They all suffer from the Despot Cult of Personality syndrome.
Maybe why like so many of the despots before him- so many of Putin's opponents have a habit of dying i.e falling out of windows, being poisoned/shot and or are jailed
Comrade Paddo as well as being brainwashed you are also an Apologist for Authoritarian and totalitarian regimes - the Double Dunce whammy
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The best thing you've posted on this thread so far Kingsley athough we are supposed to be discussing things related to the Whitlam coup.
Nevertheless, the music's the bst thing about America because the rich musical heritage it enjoys throws up this continuing evolution of style and sound, the most influential to date being the black roots that characterise so much of pop music, Dance, fashion and culture generally.
"America", comprised of three kids who grew up on military bases and honed that smooth West Coast sound with a hint of country. Like Procol Harum, five kids from South End on Sea who wrote and arranged something like "Whiter Shade" with its Bach echoes and literary references (one of them must have paid attention to the Chaucer lessons in Year 12. By the way, Gary Brooker who's voice makes the song, died recently. I meant to put him on the RIP thread.
In the 50s American popular music influenced by roots input bubbled up to hallenge the grip of the "major" labels with their contracted musicians who turned out a constant stream of pap which was, in the absence of any alternative "pop". Rock'n'Roll, because of its immediate compelling influence on youth, was the first genre to sustain independent labels like Sun and Chess records. And the music was all coming from the factories, cotton fields and churches. Let loose for the first time.
Mere children, teenagers tried their hand, Amateurs essentially. And all kinds of musical creation happened. The Fleetwoods beautiful arrangement of theme and sound that make Come Softly to Me a wonderful evocation of young love. They were just out of the high school they had all attended - amazing.
The Jamies were one hit wonders in 1958 but the writer and arranger who was classically trained (again a kid) put the rollocking "Summertime, Summertime" together with its echoes of Motzart.
The point I'm making is that creativity springs from the Working Class more than from any other and I'm pretty sure that pointing that out was Kingsley's intention too.
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Exactly. As Serpentza says in the movie I shared... these people are BRAVE! It's weak for a dude who's bitter about the 1975 election result to be supporting an authoritarian regime and telling these brave protesters that their country's perfect and that they're CIA puppets for protesting.Originally posted by King Salvo View Post
Our friend has no idea about what the CIA does so assumes it's an invisible hand that's responsible for all significant global events. Meanwhile is had all global media outlets by the throat, being utilised as its personal megaphone so that it can gaslight Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Saidia Arabia...etc such that 'sheeple' are conned into falsely believing that they are run by fascist dictators that severely restrict the freedoms of their citizens.
Sigh... all a rather lame excuse for not doing some actual reading. That or he's just an attention seeker.Last edited by ism22; 02-19-2023, 08:18 AM.Comment
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What are you talking about?Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist 61
I drink cheap wine and have a 3 day growth these days, while living in the working class town of Canberra.
Meanwhile you're living it up as a Glebe hipster who spends millions on illicit drugs and only reads the elitist views of intellectual heavyweights such as John Meandue.
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[QUOTE=King Salvo;n976490]Andy, is that you???Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post
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Whiter Shade Of Pale is one of my favourite songs from the 60s Paddo. You should go post it in the RIP thread.Comment
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Comrade Paddo doesn't like the working class though as he called them twits in another post on the main section. Seems rather confused one has to say all that BrainwashingOriginally posted by ism22 View PostComment
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Comrade Paddo forgets though that in the early 2000's his beloved Putin said that he respected the Ukraine Borders and had no intention of taking back the Crimea - now saying Russia has no borders - "Russkiy mir"
Also in the Months leading up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine Putin said that he had no intention of Invading Ukraine and the Troop/Military buildup on the Ukraine Border were just "Defensive Drills" -
As far as NATO enlargement goes there was never any agreement for it not too - Just more of the same lies from the Putin regime in an attempt to justify their invasion of an independent Sovereign State who again does not need permission from Russia for anything they do or any organisation they wish to apply to join.
Ukraine voters made their choice they want to integrate with Europe and the West and no longer want to be second class citizens controlled by a Moscow based Authoritarian and Totalitarian regime.
Putin and his Cronies like Lavrov need to understand the Soviet Union no longer exists.
Putin and his Cronies will end up like the Ceausescu's in Romania when his regime collapses too as these Despot Authoritarian and Totalitarian Regimes often do
Ukraine: the history behind Russia’s claim that NATO promised not to expand to the east
In 2014, the former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev marked the 25th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin wall by noting in an interview that that NATO’s enlargement was not discussed at all at the time - :Not a single Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either.
Russia was a participant in these new security arrangements, and was keen to clarify that NATO enlargement was not a security threat to Russia. The then president of Russia, Boris Yeltsin, wrote in a September 1993 letter to the then US President, Bill Clinton “Any possible integration of east European countries into NATO will not automatically lead to the alliance somehow turning against Russia.” So it was being clearly signalled that Russia did not object to the direction Europe’s new security architecture was following.
Enemies no longer
The bedrock of the Nato-Russia relationship, the NATO-Russia Founding Act, was also signed at the 1997 Madrid Summit alongside the enlargement invitations. As the second formal agreement of the post-Cold War era between Russia and NATO, the Act confirms “NATO and Russia do not consider each other as adversaries”, and that NATO transformation is “a process that will continue”. It is, therefore, clear that NATO enlargement, was not considered a primary security concern for Russia.
Of course this has changed over the past decade. But the reason for that changed relationship is not NATO – it’s Vladimir Putin.
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-...he-east-177085
Only Authoritarian and Totalitarian Regime Apologists like Comrade Paddo mainly and some others on here still believe the lies being peddled by Putin's regime including Anti-West and Capitalism Propaganda.
Brainwashing is a dangerous instrument one has to say and may well be irreversible in at least Comrade Paddo's case one has to say.Last edited by King Salvo; 02-19-2023, 05:17 PM.Comment
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I feel as though he hates on any group that he thinks will disagree with him. This includes...Originally posted by King Salvo View Post
- Anything mainstream (he prefers to run the line that less popular stuff is revealing the 'truth' but is being shut-down / interfered with by the secret hand. Thus, reading it is racy and a sign of great intellectual prowess as you're not just 'following' the mainstream).
- Anybody who is currently in the game (he prefers disgruntled people who are bitter about a personal grievance and looking to hurl faeces at western institutions as 'revenge' for their own failures).
However when they agree with a skein of what he's claiming, he'll be boasting about it. Sigh.Comment
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Again, with all that confusion and the mind reading? Anyone who's interested in media manipulation can read Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent (can also see him on Youtube). Noam will explain the dynamics.
Tbh I'm bewildered by your dedication to the MSM and all that other stuff aout the wisdom of the commom man. Only 40% surveyed regularly, think our media relable and the commom man's go to, The Tele is rated even lower yet you, with your tertiary education, not only beg to differ whenever media is mentioned critically but you react with violent language, your emotional state being off the rails (God knows I've tried to intevene with well intentioned advice but, again inexplicably, you still seem to be drinking at unsafe levels..
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It's a strange way to plan a debate - to begin by defending the indefensible. I mean we all got eyes re the media buddy so whom, exactly, are you talikng to here? No one's gonna accept a black is white propostion no matter how sorry they may feel for you.
90% of the planet have little trust for the West and don't share its propaganda. That's because we're white with a truly dreadful and not far distant past. Untrustworthy, unscrupulous and violent, we formed Empires and robbed the rest blind, enslaving millions while we were at it. It's the reason that we're rich and they're poor. Flourishing democratic institutions correspond with wealth so we have no real cred in bragging that our capitalist democracy is special in some way. It hasn't worked for the 90%.
In the US, 70 - 80 million, think it's not working either. Can all of them be Trumpsters? Might there not be many who see themseves and their famolies as cannon fodder in the endless wars that the system delivers them, all the while working on that slavish minimum wage.Last edited by Paddo Colt 61; 02-19-2023, 03:14 PM.Comment
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Comrade Paddo what colour are the folk in Eastern Europe and in Asia though ? - Tell us about what commo regimes did though to balance the argument about the "evil" west's history - mmm Lenin/Stalin/Mao/Kims/Ho/Pot/Castro etc for an exampleOriginally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post
You like to use % without any evidence to support it - bit like when you quoted the Chinese regime had a high popularity % based on a survey of 32.000 hand picked Chinese Folk which took 13 years to complete.- I mean who takes 13 years to complete a survey notwithstanding it was conducted by a Beijing Authorised Organisation
I am sure those Eastern Europe/Central and Western Europe Countries including GB in the EU and NATO are not majority anti west though - neither would be Japan/South Korea/India for instance- so this 90% is very very rubbery figures - was it on Menandue?
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We have surely reached the limit of the racist, agenda pushing by this Paeddo Cult fool, both of which are against Chookpen forum rules. If moderated like other sites, he would no longer be around.
The continual regurgitation of history and spinning it to justify an ideology is not only tiresome, but kind of offensive to most of us. Keep the self loathing to ...yourself.
He may be mentally ill (I dont know) but this doesnt mean an online footy forum can be used as a therapy couch, as its a shared space. Others rights need to be respected.
If he can drop the trolling and change the record, talk footy in the main forum...maybe. But otherwise, as I"ve said many times...he has no place here.
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