The Whitlam Government - another US inspired Coup?

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=A Country Member; The US are quite fond of regime change;. One only needs to look at the world news and see the destruction caused by war and follow the weapons path back to the US.

Indeed Count. The problem is that Heckle and Jeckle believe that it's all part of the ongoing fight for Freedom and it is but the US is pummeling the Freedom Fighters whom it labels Terrorists. On the other hand, the Empire calls Fascists "Freedom Fighters". In Syria, it's helping the Islamic State insurgents.

The United States pursued regime change in Iraq and Afghanistan via military intervention, and against Bashar al-Assad in Syria by a problematic mix of overt and covert engagement with rebels. The outcomes have hardly been favourable.

[ism22]

The US are quite fond of regime change;. One only needs to look at the world news and see the destruction caused by war and follow the weapons path back to the US.

Indeed Count. The problem is that Heckle and Jeckle believe that it's all part of the ongoing fight for Freedom and it is but the US is pummeling the Freedom Fighters whom it labels Terrorists. On the other hand, the Empire calls Fascists "Freedom Fighters". In Syria, it's helping the Islamic State insurgents.

The United States pursued regime change in Iraq and Afghanistan via military intervention, and against Bashar al-Assad in Syria by a problematic mix of overt and covert engagement with rebels. The outcomes have hardly been favourable.

Quit quoting yourself, Count :P

Also, try to stay on-topic. Your pro-Russia argument has failed emphatically so you're not claiming that what Russia's doing is better than the USA going after Bin Laden after he flew a heap of planes into buildings on US soil. Wait... in a thread where you've failed to demonstrate that a cabal of the CIA, Murdoch, the GG and the Queen plotted to bring down Whitlam.

This is the weed kicking in. To you this is all inter-connected as if the world's a Dan Brown novel.

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Some food for thought
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

Conspiracy theories resist falsification and are reinforced by circular reasoning: both evidence against the conspiracy and an absence of evidence for it are re-interpreted as evidence of its truth, whereby the conspiracy becomes a matter of faith rather than something that can be proven or disproven. Studies have linked belief in conspiracy theories to distrust of authority and political cynicism. Some researchers suggest that conspiracist ideation—belief in conspiracy theories—may be psychologically harmful or pathological, and that it is correlated with lower analytical thinking, low intelligence, psychological projection, paranoia, and Machiavellianism. Psychologists usually attribute belief in conspiracy theories and finding a conspiracy where there is none to a number of psychopathological conditions such as paranoia, schizotypy, narcissism, and insecure attachment, or to a form of cognitive bias called "illusory pattern perception".

[Paddo Colt 61]

Now you're onto something Iz. The brave band which attacked the USA were true freedom fighters, willing to sacrifice themselves in retaliation for the material and cultural destruction that the US has imposed on communities in the Middle East for years now, It was, by any measure, a brilliantly executed operation, a total surprise for which US Intel was made to look amateurish,

The reaction of the Western Media was apoplectic, as if the was any different to the Empire's military/industrial obliteration of so many communities' world wide since WW2 including 2 A-Bombs on civilian targets.
Here in Oz, a good part of the population which, because of American domination of popular entertainment, seems to think that we are one and the same, were predictably outraged (Heckle & Jeckle would be included in that lot - just reference Jeckle's Atlanta Braves etc fixation),

To some sheeple 9/11 remains the greatest war crime ever committed but then they wouldn't have heard of Hiroshima or the saturation bombing of North Vietnam that went on for the duration of the Paris Peace negotiations. There have been loud calls for Kissinger to be indicted for his role in that war crime which puts 9/11 in the shade and note that most victims of US aggression were/are coloured.

Polls say that a minority still trust MSM but 40% is a big minority.

[ism22]

Now you're onto something Iz. The brave band which attacked the USA were true freedom fighters, willing to sacrifice themselves in retaliation for the material and cultural destruction that the US has imposed on communities in the Middle East for years now, It was, by any measure, a brilliantly executed operation, a total surprise for which US Intel was made to look amateurish,

The reaction of the Western Media was apoplectic, as if the was any different to the Empire's military/industrial obliteration of so many communities' world wide since WW2 including 2 A-Bombs on civilian targets.
Here in Oz, a good part of the population which, because of American domination of popular entertainment, seems to think that we are one and the same, were predictably outraged (Heckle & Jeckle would be included in that lot - just reference Jeckle's Atlanta Braves etc fixation),

To some sheeple 9/11 remains the greatest war crime ever committed but then they wouldn't have heard of Hiroshima or the saturation bombing of North Vietnam that went on for the duration of the Paris Peace negotiations. There have been loud calls for Kissinger to be indicted for his role in that war crime which puts 9/11 in the shade and note that most victims of US aggression were/are coloured.

Polls say that a minority still trust MSM but 40% is a big minority.

Bin laden is not a hero, he was a terrorist.

[Andrew Walker]

Bin laden is not a hero, he was a terrorist.

CIA was in bed with Bin Laden

https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/...nus091401.html

[King Salvo]

CIA was in bed with Bin Laden

https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/...nus091401.html

No direct U.S. aid to Bin Laden or any of his affiliates has ever been established though

The Soviet Union along with assistant from China at certain times created all the problems in the Middle East , Asia , Central and South America long before their invasion of Afghanistan one has to say.

The Soviet Unions invasion of Afghanistan to prop up the unpopular pro Soviet Puppet Regime in Kabul who where installed as the Government by the Soviets after Operation Storm-333 created the solidification of the concept of global violent jihad, the formation of al-Qaeda, the rise of the Taliban regime and other like minded Islamic Jihadist Groups.

[Andrew Walker]

Only all the old US weapons used to fight those big bad Russians in Afghanistan If you truly believe the USA weren’t aiding the Mujahideen in Afghanistan you believe in the tooth fairy

[King Salvo]

Now you're onto something Iz. The brave band which attacked the USA were true freedom fighters, willing to sacrifice themselves in retaliation for the material and cultural destruction that the US has imposed on communities in the Middle East for years now, It was, by any measure, a brilliantly executed operation, a total surprise for which US Intel was made to look amateurish,

The reaction of the Western Media was apoplectic, as if the was any different to the Empire's military/industrial obliteration of so many communities' world wide since WW2 including 2 A-Bombs on civilian targets.
Here in Oz, a good part of the population which, because of American domination of popular entertainment, seems to think that we are one and the same, were predictably outraged (Heckle & Jeckle would be included in that lot - just reference Jeckle's Atlanta Braves etc fixation),

To some sheeple 9/11 remains the greatest war crime ever committed but then they wouldn't have heard of Hiroshima or the saturation bombing of North Vietnam that went on for the duration of the Paris Peace negotiations. There have been loud calls for Kissinger to be indicted for his role in that war crime which puts 9/11 in the shade and note that most victims of US aggression were/are coloured.

Polls say that a minority still trust MSM but 40% is a big minority.

That's a new low for even you Comrade "Jihadist" Paddo praising Islamic Jihadists now because they took on the Capitalist West who you despise as well being Anti-Atlanticism and suffering from Westernophobia

No doubt you have aligned your views with one of your hero's in Stalinist Little Legs Putin.

Russian President Vladimir Putin declared jihad against the West in a recent speech delivered at the Valdai Discussion Club in Moscow. In demagoguing his twisted modern-day version of theAtlantic Charter— a “Black Sea Charter,” if you will — Putin laid out his global call for jihad. Its crusade? Simply put, the destruction of “the so-called West,” its cultural and religious values, and what Putin perceives to be Washington’s global unipolar hegemony.

It is Amazing how you always twist historical events and turn them into your usual anti west/capitalist tirade and rant but overlook completely the crimes against humanity your favoured evil ideology and regimes have inflicted on hundreds of millions as of course you don't believe this ever happened.


Bombs away in Atlanta GA - Chop on Braves

[King Salvo]

Only all the old US weapons used to fight those big bad Russians in Afghanistan If you truly believe the USA weren’t aiding the Mujahideen in Afghanistan you believe in the tooth fairy

Provide the Proof

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=Andrew Walker; If you truly believe the USA weren't aiding the Mujahideen in Afghanistan you believe in the tooth fairy.

What King believes in far surpasses the Tooth Fairy. He believes that a God sent his son (God junior) to save us all from? There was a virgin birth involved, miracles galore, a raising from the dead etc etc etc. All connected to a minor Jewish dissident active at a time when people were illiterate.

I know Opus Dei when I hear it and Salvo is a true believer. A thread on the Spanish Civil War will draw him out more. Everything he writes says "Catholic Fascist".

And don't worry about corroboration Andie, the King's definition of "proof" involves what he sees in the MSM, Right Wing conventional wisdoms and anything said by Americans.

[Andrew Walker]

Provide the Proof

An interesting read for you

http://www.historyisnowmagazine.com/...#.Y7FzstPZXYU=

[King Salvo]

Not quite sure what point you are attempting to make ditto with Comrade Paddo but the blame sits squarely with the Soviet Union who installed a Pro-Soviet Puppet Government in Kabul and invaded Afghanistan and committed Genocide against Afghan Civilians.

Blaming the US and the West is rather convenient in avoiding who is to blame- up to 2 million Afghan Citizens were killed during 10 year Afghan War (1979-1989) which culminated in the Collapse of the Evil Authoritarian and Totalitarian USSR Communist Regime on 26th December 1991.

The majority of the weapons used by the Mujahideen were Soviet ones though - small arms / heavy weapons and vehicles - US third parties arranged the delivery of Antique British Lee-Enfield Rifles and late in the War provided FIM - 43 Red Eye and FIM - 92 Stinger MAN Portable Air Defence Systems

Even Comrade Paddo's Commo China Mates provided the Mujaheddin with weapons which he will dispute but it's true

Type 54 Semi Auto Pistols
Type 56 Assault Rifles
Type 54 Heavy Machine Guns
Type 56 -Recoilless Rifles
Type 63 - Mortars
Type 63 -Multiple Rocket Launchers
Type 67 - General Purpose Machine Guns
Type 69-Anti Tank Grenade Launchers
HN5 - Man-Portable Air Defence Systems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ujahideen_duri ng_Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War


What is it about commo regimes with their crimes against humanity.

But what is probably far worse is that until the present day, the horrendous crimes of the USSR in Afghanistan, its allies and the regime in Kabul which Moscow backed are being ignored.

Their crimes were brutal and their war against Afghan civilians genocidal. Different observers came to such conclusions. Whole villages were wiped out by the Red Army, thousands of Afghans vanished in the torture dungeons of the Communist regimes in Kabul.

Afghan Communist dictators such as Noor Mohammad Taraki and Hafizullah Amin, who ruled before the Soviet intervention in 1979, and their successors who were directly installed by the Russian Politburo, Babrak Karmal and Mohammad Najibullah, were brutal mass murderers and torturers. Their crimes are now mostly forgotten.

Noor Mohammad Taraki, the self-styled "Great Leader of the Revolution" who became both President and Prime Minister after the Communists (or "People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan, PDPA) bloody coup against President Mohammad Daud Khan in 1978, started mass killings and purges that worried even Moscow.

Taraki considered the 300,000 traditional mullahs as an obstacle to "the progressive movement of the homeland." He tortured and shot many religious leaders, or buried them alive. The so-called "Great Teacher", as he was referred to by his followers, also gave orders for members of the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups to be immediately killed.

Ideologically, Taraki was a strong believer in the "Red Terror" that occurred in the aftermath of the Bolshevik Revolution. "Lenin taught us to be merciless towards the enemies of the revolution, and millions of people had to be eliminated to secure the victory of the October Revolution", he once said to a stunned Alexander Puzanov, the then Soviet ambassador to Afghanistan.


See below further details of Soviet and their Proxies was crimes and crimes against humanity in Afghanistan


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

[Andrew Walker]

The point I’ve made and it was made initially to ism not you, was the Americans/CIA aided Bin Laden. Initially you tried to deny this but your latest post and diatribe suggests you have pulled your head out of the sand for a few minutes.

Seeing Kings go to source is Wikipedia I thought I’d put in some interesting reading RE the worlds moral police the good old USA

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit...20April%202004.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Shocking but very interesting read Andy. Goes to show that good/evil are points of view. But King won't read it, too much cognitive dissonance involved,

Wiki is a very good source especially for, say, literary opinion but matters political can be hijacked. The prevalence of emotional language used in the material that King cites, suggests clumsy and crude manipulation and reminds one of the recent exposure of US intelligence activity on Youtube.

[Andrew Walker]

Shocking but very interesting read Andy. Goes to show that good/evil are points of view. But King won't read it, too much cognitive dissonance involved,

Wiki is a very good source especially for, say, literary opinion but matters political can be hijacked. The prevalence of emotional language used in the material that King cites, suggests clumsy and crude manipulation and reminds one of the recent exposure of US intelligence activity on Youtube.

Generally I do not quote Wikipedia. However seeing King did such I thought in the spirit of objectivity and fair play that I should do same.