The blah blah we're a bad country and Russia/China are utopian paradises thread

[Paddo Colt 61]

Here is a very thought provoking piece on whether we're a bad country or just a very unwise one. Readers should note the similarity in tactics used to discredit non MSM platforms. We see two practitioners of that practice at work here in the Pen.
https://johnmenadue.com/australia-is...e-with-the-us/

[King Salvo]

Same old, same old Comrade Paddo, another pro-Russia and China beat up of the West.

I get a feeling that if Menadue's Malarkey said the world was flat, you would believe that too.

Why not try the following as an example to expand your sources of propaganda? I mean information.

All Left/Far Left sites

• The Intercept
• Unicorn Riot
• Against the grain
• Jacobin
• It's going down
• openDemocracy
• counterpunch
• Socialist Alternative
• World of Socialist Website
• In Defence of Marxism
• Liberation News
• Communist Party of the Russian Federation - https://cprf.ru/
• Communist Party of China - http://cpc.people.com.cn/english/
• Communist Party of Australia

[ism22]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-...isco/102984976

ASIO director tells Five Eyes intelligence summit that alleged Chinese spy was removed from Australia

Australia's domestic intelligence chief has revealed a Chinese national was removed from the country after a foiled attempt to infiltrate a prestigious research institution.

ASIO Director General Mike Burgess has revealed details of the alleged espionage last month, while meeting his Five Eyes counterparts in the United States this week.

Mr Burgess says the spying plot against an unnamed Australian organisation was disrupted before any damage was done.

"The plot involved a visiting professor — a genuine academic who had also been recruited by Chinese intelligence," Mr Burgess told reporters.

...

"The Chinese government are engaged in the most sustained, sophisticated and scaled theft of intellectual property and expertise in human history.

...

Mr Burgess referenced an unnamed Australian company that found global success making a product "similar to a motion detector" before their sales suddenly dropped.

"A little while later, their product started being returned to the factory because they were broken," he said.

"When they opened their branded products, they discovered they weren't their branded products, because the components were inferior, they were exact knock-offs."

The problem was eventually traced to an international conference, where someone had offered to share information with one of the company's employees by plugging a USB into their laptop.

"That USB downloaded malware onto that laptop, which later on, when they were connected back to their corporate network, was used to steal their intellectual property," he said.

"That intellectual property was passed from the intelligence services to state-owned enterprise that mass-produced the goods and sold them on the market that undercut them."

[ism22]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-...wing/102490874

Poll finds most Australians glad relations with China thawing, but still don't trust Xi Jinping

[Andrew Walker]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-...wing/102490874

Poll finds most Australians glad relations with China thawing, but still don't trust Xi Jinping

Funny how one can paint this story to suit their own narrative If one wanted to use this article in some way to say the opposite They could run with 52 percent still see China as a security threat Now even though that is down from the 63 percent of a few years back it is still a majority. That said it was a fascinating read Izzy, which as it wore on it sort of discredited your reasoning for posting. Well done

[ism22]

Funny how one can paint this story to suit their own narrative If one wanted to use this article in some way to say the opposite They could run with 52 percent still see China as a security threat Now even though that is down from the 63 percent of a few years back it is still a majority. That said it was a fascinating read Izzy, which as it wore on it sort of discredited your reasoning for posting. Well done

The title is backed by data that asks about 'trust' as opposed to security threats. Importantly, this refutes old mate's claim that we all trust China/Russia. No, we don't trust them. Although, we're finding the idea of them attacking us less probable...




As you say, the article notes that numbers are down when it comes to people prediction that China will be a military threat to Australia within 20 years (accurately IMO - doubt China or Russia would invade a five eyes country as it would be suicide... I think Russia's proven that by demonstrating it can't even defeat Ukraine).

This is separate from 'trust' though. I mean would I withdraw my super + sell my properties and invest them all in the Chinese market instead? No. Would I reject western medicine and head to China for my next course of vaccines? Hell no. Are Jinping/Vlad remotely honest about anything related to geopolitics? Yeah nah...


Just because I don't see old mate as a security threat (if he's to be believed, he's a scrawny ~80 year old dude with a bad back... pretty confident I could take him), it doesn't mean I trust is insights (which are largely borrowed from Menadue's opinions blog)

[Paddo Colt 61]

Hey Izz, 60+% voted no to a simple request after being thoroughly done over by Murdoch. How come you attach any importance at all to public opinion?

[rcptn]

Hey Izz, 60+% voted no to a simple request after being thoroughly done over by Murdoch. How come you attach any importance at all to public opinion?

Only simpletons believed the simple request crap.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Only simpletons believed the simple request crap.

Yep, those simpletons whose residences surround the harbour. But, at least, your backyard is now safe, they weren't too worried about theirs apparently.

The Libs think that they're on a winner now stirring the Fascist mentality in the sheeple. Dutton riding the racist wave calling for a Royal Commission into sexual violence in remote settlements. The LNP, always prepared to be socially divisive.

[ism22]

Hey Izz, 60+% voted no to a simple request after being thoroughly done over by Murdoch. How come you attach any importance at all to public opinion?

Democracy is such that public opinion matters. This kinda survey gives us a snapshot of what the public may be thinking at this point in time.

In this case, I'm using it to refute the '99% of us trust China' figure that you've used on multiple occasions (without a valid source). Thus, I think it's an apt yardstick.

In regards to the referendum, I'm definitely disappointed by the amount of misinformation that was spread about it. I was discussing it with a friend yesterday, who likened the tactics used by the no campaign to those of Brexit and Trump (when elected). It was a sophisticated misinformation campaign that I think you'll find went waaaay deeper than just Murdoch's reporting. The conservatives did a good job of confusing the **** outta the matter with misinformation in order to kill an excellent opportunity for progression. While disappointing, this is part of how democracy works... particularly in today's digital age where nobody watches TV or reads print media anyway (so it's difficult to blame Murdoch... all his shyte is paywalled anyway, so he preaches to the converted).

[rented tracksuit]

NO won. Get over it. Move on.

The flag wavers will simply find something else to try and change now.

[King Salvo]

Yep, those simpletons whose residences surround the harbour. But, at least, your backyard is now safe, they weren't too worried about theirs apparently.

The Libs think that they're on a winner now stirring the Fascist mentality in the sheeple. Dutton riding the racist wave calling for a Royal Commission into sexual violence in remote settlements. The LNP, always prepared to be socially divisive.

There was other factors involved in this - The cost of living was more on the minds of voters who voted No

The following 4 factors definitely came into play in why Electorates voted the way they did.

* Level of Education
* Household Income
* Age Demographics
* Birth place

I question whether those who voted no actually knew what they were voting on, as the majority of these no-vote electorates are electorates with lower educational levels and household incomes. a higher proportion of over 55 plus and less diversity.

Australia is still predominately white (81%), with a prevailing colonial/wap mindset.

That will change over time though

2021 - Ancestry

English - 33%
Australian - 29.9%
Irish - 9.5%
Scottish - 8.6%
Chinese - 5.5%
FNP - 3.8%
Other - 9.7%

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/cult...sity-australia

If the wap no people thinks it's done and dusted they need to think again

Next will be Legislated State and Territory Treaties and Voice to Parliament

NSW Premier Minns has a mandate to begin the process of treaty allocating $5 million in the 2023/24 State Budget as well as other budgetary measures.

Recognition of FNP in the constitution, whether it takes another 5 or 10 years, is when, not if.

[Andrew Walker]

NO won. Get over it. Move on.

The flag wavers will simply find something else to try and change now.

Very true RT

[rented tracksuit]

There was other factors involved in this - The cost of living was more on the minds of voters who voted No

The following 4 factors definitely came into play in why Electorates voted the way they did.

* Level of Education
* Household Income
* Age Demographics
* Birth place

I question whether those who voted no actually knew what they were voting on, as the majority of these no-vote electorates are electorates with lower educational levels and household incomes. a higher proportion of over 55 plus and less diversity.

Australia is still predominately white (81%), with a prevailing colonial/wap mindset.

That will change over time though

2021 - Ancestry

English - 33%
Australian - 29.9%
Irish - 9.5%
Scottish - 8.6%
Chinese - 5.5%
FNP - 3.8%
Other - 9.7%

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/cult...sity-australia

If the wap no people thinks it's done and dusted they need to think again

Next will be Legislated State and Territory Treaties and Voice to Parliament

NSW Premier Minns has a mandate to begin the process of treaty allocating $5 million in the 2023/24 State Budget as well as other budgetary measures.

Recognition of FNP in the constitution, whether it takes another 5 or 10 years, is when, not if.

You lost.

[mightyrooster]

Democracy is such that public opinion matters. This kinda survey gives us a snapshot of what the public may be thinking at this point in time.

In this case, I'm using it to refute the '99% of us trust China' figure that you've used on multiple occasions (without a valid source). Thus, I think it's an apt yardstick.

In regards to the referendum, I'm definitely disappointed by the amount of misinformation that was spread about it. I was discussing it with a friend yesterday, who likened the tactics used by the no campaign to those of Brexit and Trump (when elected). It was a sophisticated misinformation campaign that I think you'll find went waaaay deeper than just Murdoch's reporting. The conservatives did a good job of confusing the **** outta the matter with misinformation in order to kill an excellent opportunity for progression. While disappointing, this is part of how democracy works... particularly in today's digital age where nobody watches TV or reads print media anyway (so it's difficult to blame Murdoch... all his shyte is paywalled anyway, so he preaches to the converted).

Agree with you last few sentences especially. I regularly do paid surveys to earn a bit of extra cash. A frequent question is about the streaming services / cable TV people pay for. A stat I see regularly on this type of poll is that only around 30% of Australians actually pay to have Foxtel. That’s a fairly small percentage. We have it for the sport and drama. We never watch Sky News or anything on that channel. Also most people don’t read printed newspapers these days, well u guess those over 50 probably still do. But a lot of news these days is disseminated through social media without any proper scrutiny or serious old school journalism invlved.