The blah blah we're a bad country and Russia/China are utopian paradises thread

[Jacks Fur Coat]

There was other factors involved in this - The cost of living was more on the minds of voters who voted No

The following 4 factors definitely came into play in why Electorates voted the way they did.

* Level of Education
* Household Income
* Age Demographics
* Birth place

I question whether those who voted no actually knew what they were voting on, as the majority of these no-vote electorates are electorates with lower educational levels and household incomes. a higher proportion of over 55 plus and less diversity.

Australia is still predominately white (81%), with a prevailing colonial/wap mindset.

That will change over time though

2021 - Ancestry

English - 33%
Australian - 29.9%
Irish - 9.5%
Scottish - 8.6%
Chinese - 5.5%
FNP - 3.8%
Other - 9.7%

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/cult...sity-australia

If the wap no people thinks it's done and dusted they need to think again

Next will be Legislated State and Territory Treaties and Voice to Parliament

NSW Premier Minns has a mandate to begin the process of treaty allocating $5 million in the 2023/24 State Budget as well as other budgetary measures.

Recognition of FNP in the constitution, whether it takes another 5 or 10 years, is when, not if.

This is a very strange angle to take. I dont get the obsession some people have with skin colour. We're all Aussies and its ok to be "white"...whatever that means. As it is ok to be black, brown or brindle.

A shedload of post war migrants didn't want the Voice in the Constitution. Nor did around 40% of indigenous folk.

The only education the richer or Teal seats brought to the table was likely never having experienced contact with an indigenous person, or any appreciation of their particular views or issues. Other than reading about it online in the Social Justice Rag. Lets call it a 'distance' education.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Ha! Nor has the overwhelming majority on NO voters "experienced contact with an indigenous person". You're not suggesting that they have surely? The difference is that the better educated and the more engaged see through crude scare campaigns and the sheeple influence of social media. Most ordinary Australians know nothing about Aborigines beyond a few stereotypes. They don't know much about anything really, just look at the most popular TV shows - they scream, "I don't wanna think about anything - it's too hard.

The wealthy who live around the harbour couldn't see the dire threat to their extensive possessions that the arse outs could see to theirs and fgs, how do you conflate cost of living with what the voice was asking?

This referendum showed what Brexit showed in the UK, the dogged stupidity of most of a population which is, usually, led by the nose. Our rates of gambling, the highest in the world, attest to that.

[Andrew Walker]

Over a week later and Paddo is still squealing

[ism22]

Over a week later and Paddo is still squealing

I thought you were pally with old mate. What would John Menadue say about this, I wonder?

Oi and isn't this the blah blah blah Russia and China are utopian paradises thread? I love the versatility of these threads. Only on the pen! On Reddit you'd get some Gen Y flower deleting all the posts they didn't like and telling us to stay on topic (even in an off-topic thread). All hail Lord Chris and the 'Pen!

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Agree with you last few sentences especially. I regularly do paid surveys to earn a bit of extra cash. A frequent question is about the streaming services / cable TV people pay for. A stat I see regularly on this type of poll is that only around 30% of Australians actually pay to have Foxtel. That’s a fairly small percentage. We have it for the sport and drama. We never watch Sky News or anything on that channel. Also most people don’t read printed newspapers these days, well u guess those over 50 probably still do. But a lot of news these days is disseminated through social media without any proper scrutiny or serious old school journalism invlved.

You should watch some of the Sky News programs MR. You will get a different, broader perspective sometimes that you won't get from the social media feeds, ABC and other MSM outlets. Then you can form your own judgements on issues, which I always encourage people to do.

[Andrew Walker]

I thought you were pally with old mate. What would John Menadue say about this, I wonder?

Oi and isn't this the blah blah blah Russia and China are utopian paradises thread? I love the versatility of these threads. Only on the pen! On Reddit you'd get some Gen Y flower deleting all the posts they didn't like and telling us to stay on topic (even in an off-topic thread). All hail Lord Chris and the 'Pen!

I am but it doesn’t mean I agree with everything he says

PS I came across this today snd it should excite the masses into possibly feeling more favourable towards China

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...22-p5ee2f.html

[eddie]

Over a week later and Paddo is still squealing

Well, it is pretty tough for Mr Colt.
I never knew how passionate about this issue he was until I read "when worlds collide".

[Jacks Fur Coat]

I am but it doesn’t mean I agree with everything he says

PS I came across this today snd it should excite the masses into possibly feeling more favourable towards China

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...22-p5ee2f.html

I wouldn't be putting the China Panda back on our chissie card listvjust yet.

Their hostility against Australia has been overtly political. I think the release of the wrongfully gaoled Aussie journalist and lifting of the Wine trade sanctions coincided with our new left wing Govt. playing yes sir, no sir with them.

Pre the Fed election as well as imposing numerous sanctions against our trade (wine, beef, fishing, even Coal which they changed when they found out how much they needed it). Also blocked Scomos account via We Chat so our Chinese Aussies only got fed a filtered version of the political debate. Had an impact with a swing in Chinese Aussie seats against the Libs and in such a tight election with record low primarys.

All for our Govt having the audacity to want a proper inquiry into the world changing Covid event exported to the world from China. Await some tactics at play leading up to the next Fed election.

[mightyrooster]

You should watch some of the Sky News programs MR. You will get a different, broader perspective sometimes that you won't get from the social media feeds, ABC and other MSM outlets. Then you can form your own judgements on issues, which I always encourage people to do.

I never watch the ABC either or news feeds on social media. I do look at free MSM on the internet such as Nine, News Ltd, the SMH and the Canberra Times none of which I trust to not be biased and so I take them all with a grain of salt. We have Nine News on in the background at home when eating dinner. I did watch Sky years ago, well no, actually the hubby used to put the Sky channel on and I got sick of hearing Paul Murray rant and rave and be blatantly biased. Sorry he's probably one of your faves but I cannot tolerate him. I'd come into the lounge room and see him ranting and call out to the other half as to why he was on our TV as it was really irritating me lol. In the end I think he then did it deliberately to get a reaction out of me. In truth I'm a bit of a cynic when it comes to news these days because you're going to get Sky panelists which all 'coincidentally' happen all support the Libs - Murray, Bolt, Credlin, Jones (when he used to be there). Then you have the ABC or The Project on Ten which all somehow also 'coincidentally' seem to support the ALP / Greens and are anti-Coalition. It's all too obvious to me and I'm not interested in being force fed bias in either direction. I want genuine journalism like the old days.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

I never watch the ABC either or news feeds on social media. I do look at free MSM on the internet such as Nine, News Ltd, the SMH and the Canberra Times none of which I trust to not be biased and so I take them all with a grain of salt. We have Nine News on in the background at home when eating dinner. I did watch Sky years ago, well no, actually the hubby used to put the Sky channel on and I got sick of hearing Paul Murray rant and rave and be blatantly biased. Sorry he's probably one of your faves but I cannot tolerate him. I'd come into the lounge room and see him ranting and call out to the other half as to why he was on our TV as it was really irritating me lol. In the end I think he then did it deliberately to get a reaction out of me. In truth I'm a bit of a cynic when it comes to news these days because you're going to get Sky panelists which all 'coincidentally' happen all support the Libs - Murray, Bolt, Credlin, Jones (when he used to be there). Then you have the ABC or The Project on Ten which all somehow also 'coincidentally' seem to support the ALP / Greens and are anti-Coalition. It's all too obvious to me and I'm not interested in being force fed bias in either direction. I want genuine journalism like the old days.

Sadly, I don't think you will see a return to the old days of totally objective journalism like the old ABC before it got hijacked. And thats whats happened on a large scale in western society. Its been a long march of this very partisan ideology into all the institutions....education, corporate, big business, telecommunications, judicial etc. And interestingly, the advent of the Murdoch backed media tending clearly conservative is a response to that high influence extremism. Thats how the two ends of the spectrum have evolved.

On a personal side, as a career public servant, I witnessed how the service also became increasingly indoctrinated to that leftist ideology. As well as needing to be apolitical (which is fair play) you were kind of ostracised if you.had any opinions that didnt match that identity politic narrative. Special days for everything, inclusion over reach, all say and think alike lest we hurt someones feelings etc. etc. Conservative thinkers were gradually weeded out. My introduction to Sky News I think was via Paul Murray. I stumbled upon his show by accident and was gobsmacked! I thought wow there is actually a dissenting voice in the media saying the quiet bits out loud. Taking on the crazy status quo...I was hooked. It gave hope that the world still allowed free speech and thought, which I was starting to question. He's not my favourite commentator dont always agree with him. But he has been a kind of revolutionary.

I like that Sky has commentators from different sides on regularly too, despite their hosts definitely leaning to Conservative values. As an example Chris Kenny was an ardent Yes supporter and campaigned hard against his co-commentators each night on his show.

Oh MR, you are like the poor fellow sitting on a box on the side of the road, who was never bothered to open it and find the gold sitting inside.

[mightyrooster]

Sadly, I don't think you will see a return to the old days of totally objective journalism like the old ABC before it got hijacked. And thats whats happened on a large scale in western society. Its been a long march of this very partisan ideology into all the institutions....education, corporate, big business, telecommunications, judicial etc. And interestingly, the advent of the Murdoch backed media tending clearly conservative is a response to that high influence extremism. Thats how the two ends of the spectrum have evolved.

On a personal side, as a career public servant, I witnessed how the service also became increasingly indoctrinated to that leftist ideology. As well as needing to be apolitical (which is fair play) you were kind of ostracised if you.had any opinions that didnt match that identity politic narrative. Special days for everything, inclusion over reach, all say and think alike lest we hurt someones feelings etc. etc. Conservative thinkers were gradually weeded out. My introduction to Sky News I think was via Paul Murray. I stumbled upon his show by accident and was gobsmacked! I thought wow there is actually a dissenting voice in the media saying the quiet bits out loud. Taking on the crazy status quo...I was hooked. It gave hope that the world still allowed free speech and thought, which I was starting to question. He's not my favourite commentator dont always agree with him. But he has been a kind of revolutionary.

I like that Sky has commentators from different sides on regularly too, despite their hosts definitely leaning to Conservative values. As an example Chris Kenny was an ardent Yes supporter and campaigned hard against his co-commentators each night on his show.

Oh MR, you are like the poor fellow sitting on a box on the side of the road, who was never bothered to open it and find the gold sitting inside.

Very interesting what you say. Yes you are right how everything has become very partisan. I never consciously thought about it like that but it’s true and why I have difficulty with it all because I examine each issue in isolation and don’t like to be drawn into the X side says this about Y and therefore if you’re a supporter of X you must support what they say about Y.

I’m an ex Public Servant as well and my husband started in the APS when he was 19 years old and 35 years later is still there. I do remember in the 90’s butting heads with some work colleagues who were very much ingrained in the public service way, who were opposed to Howard’s cuts. I would have some good political debates with one friend who hated Howard with a passion while I actually supported the need for some streamlining and cutting of waste. That would be the economist in me. As a junior manager I also had to help implement the changes and yeah there was a LOT of resistance from the older members! The Public Service is a completely different beast these days as a lot of those old privileges have been stripped away. Of course the majority of them still traditionally vote ALP though, hence why the ACT was the only state or territory with a clear Yes victory..

Interesting that you say Chris Kenny supported the Yes vote against his colleagues on Sky. I guess I’ll just have to blame Paul Murray and Andrew Bolt for making Sky totally unbearable for me and keeping me away.

[Paddo Colt 61]

* Media has always gone with conflict - it sells. There was no Golden Age of objective journalism in Oz. If our public media was so unbiased how come the Libs have dominated Oz government over many years? I know who was biased - rich men talking to sheeple. Murdoch, Packers before him and Ezra Norton before them. The sheeple have remained a constant.

* As if a PS section within a Department would be hunting for Right wing pen pushing functionaries? Get a grip! I worked as a speech writer and Ministerial correspondent for Robin Askin pre Teaching (it was then I acquired my Law qualifications.) The Premier's Department was full of Right Wingers and they were vocal. I had to leave eventually. Nobody "weeded" them out.

* Paul Murray played straight man on the Voice to provide the illusion of even handedness just as progressive Philip Adams has a column in the Australian. Murdoch always tries to cover his arse re bias.

[ism22]

Oi Albo's in China and getting a solid reception from Chairman Xi. Discuss...

IMO this shows that we can have a significantly better relationship with China without ditching our existing strategic alliances with more likeminded, democratic countries.

[ism22]

'Handsome boy' Albanese pulls off successful double act. Walker and Trackie be jelly as the handsome Italian boy (almost as good looking as yours truely) shares a cup of rare Maotai with the Chairman

[ism22]

Google an opinion piece titled 'China’s rise is reversing' by Sharma. Cheers.