the islander debate

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Mickey Lane;242026]

ahh!!
how many islanders did bennett rate good enough to be in his broncos 2006 winning squad? one - civoniceva.
how many islanders did bennett rate good enough to be in his dragons 2010 winning squad? one - jeremy smith.
how many islanders does bennett rate good enough to be in his knights 2012 squad? one - akuila uate.

therefore, bennett, the greatest coach of the modern era, rates VERY FEW islander players. which means around 90-95% of them are no good![/QUOTE]

Thats what I am saying.

then why does our club have so many, when its proven that only a small number will be effective?

[Guest]

ahh!!
how many islanders did bennett rate good enough to be in his broncos 2006 winning squad? one - civoniceva.
how many islanders did bennett rate good enough to be in his dragons 2010 winning squad? one - jeremy smith.
how many islanders does bennett rate good enough to be in his knights 2012 squad? one - akuila uate.

therefore, bennett, the greatest coach of the modern era, rates VERY FEW islander players. which means around 90-95% of them are no good!

Thats what I am saying.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=kegs1;242029]

then why does our club have so many, when its proven that only a small number will be effective?

Go & ask Smith that.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Mickey Lane;242033]

Go & ask Smith that.

sigh... the frustration.
the season hasnt even finished yet and we arent even running last.
i miss carney

[Guest]

maybe our board hire megan gale as she is polynesian so she can lead our cheergirls

I would wholeheartedly endorse that recruitment. She would bring class, poise, grace and charm to our club.

[Salvatori Grubber]

Ms Tee, you're an imbecile. Seriously, put some clothes on - no one here is impressed.

As it goes, I'm not crying racist here - I'm crying dumb.

Yer man is saying that there was only 1 "islander" in Bennett's 2006 side, and therefore that's the reason we're shite. The problem is that he's ignored the following:

Civoneceiva + Hunt + Caroll + (Hodges + Parker if you like) are of Polynesian/Melanesian blood.

Secondly, as others have pointed out; Aubbo, Anasta, and Kennedy have been at least as diabolical as the likes of FPN and say Leilua for us. So being Anglo/Celtic ain't no remedy there.

Thirdly, the best team in the comp right now - the Bulldogs - have 6 or 7 islanders in their 17.

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Here's the thing: nobody argues the point that a team needs balancing. But to suggest that balance needs to be based *solely* along ethnic lines is demonstrably utter pish.

To be honest, the way that most people on this thread are happy to engage seriously with such a poorly thought-out and weakly posited premise as the OP speaks volumes.

FFS, 10 years ago there were less Islanders. 20 years ago half backs, hookers and wingers weighed 75kgs and you could contest a scrum. 50 years ago the game was semi-professional, had different rules and was almost exclusively played by Anglo/Celts. Shit will evolve and change, and it is unhelpful to compare eras with meaningless statistics.

[Salvatori Grubber]

And Mr T, I do not think that any discussion involving the topic of 'race' is by default racist. I do however think that topics involving the scapegoating of an entire group of people based upon their heritage is.

[SConcierge]

Ms Tee, you're an imbecile. Seriously, put some clothes on - no one here is impressed.

As it goes, I'm not crying racist here - I'm crying dumb.

Yer man is saying that there was only 1 "islander" in Bennett's 2006 side, and therefore that's the reason we're shite. The problem is that he's ignored the following:

Civoneceiva + Hunt + Caroll + (Hodges + Parker if you like) are of Polynesian/Melanesian blood.

Secondly, as others have pointed out; Aubbo, Anasta, and Kennedy have been at least as diabolical as the likes of FPN and say Leilua for us. So being Anglo/Celtic ain't no remedy there.

Thirdly, the best team in the comp right now - the Bulldogs - have 6 or 7 islanders in their 17.

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Here's the thing: nobody argues the point that a team needs balancing. But to suggest that balance needs to be based *solely* along ethnic lines is demonstrably utter pish.
To be honest, the way that most people on this thread are happy to engage seriously with such a poorly thought-out and weakly posited premise as the OP speaks volumes.

FFS, 10 years ago there were less Islanders. 20 years ago half backs, hookers and wingers weighed 75kgs and you could contest a scrum. 50 years ago the game was semi-professional, had different rules and was almost exclusively played by Anglo/Celts. Shit will evolve and change, and it is unhelpful to compare eras with meaningless statistics.

I think it is a plausible debate and aspect, ie the domination of running/athletics events versus swimming there is a clear domination of ethnicity or race or what ever the correct words are to describe it. It intrigues me in rugby league that for such a high proportion of poly players that a handful would make the top 50 players in the comp, it says something to me. Different races of people genetically excel in different sports!

[Guest]

Over-reacting farrkwits, like half the jokes on this thread, are the reason I buy Scallywags now and not Golliwogs.

[Guest]

Oh blow it out your fat arse Salvatori, changing tact now your called out.
Sure some were just argueing with the validity of the post, but you were just being a dick, like usual

[Arties Pie]

Your article is stupid. Id rather Takairangi, Moga, RTS, JWH, Tasi over Anasta or Aubusson anyday.

But would you take them over Slater, Smith, Gallen and Carney, I think not.

[melon....]

There's only one white boy in the the US Dream Team. And its not Eminem.

[Salvatori Grubber]

Firstly, please show me how and where I've changed my tact.

I've taken the time (after taking the piss at the beginning) to disprove the OP. How about you have a crack at engaging with my points - that's how debate works.

Secondly, you kicked-off the personal insults.

Thirdly, it's "you're".

[Salvatori Grubber]

As I intimated on p4, there is no doubt that balance needs to be created from a bunch of criteria inc. size, speed, ticker, personality, skill, ability to carry out instructions and more. Ethnicity in itself is just not a pre-determinant of these attributes, as is evidenced by the stats I also posted above.

[player 1]

Here's a conflict:

I hear a lot of parents, and Phil Gould recently wrote about this, complain they don't want to put their white kids in junior rugby league because of the relatively large size and therefore unfair advantage carried by the poly kids.

For those on this thread who believe the premise that having too many Polynesians in an NRL team is a disadvantage (maybe you're right, I don't know), I'd like to ask:

At what approximate age/grade does being Polynesian stop being an advantage and indeed start becoming a disadvantage in league?