Bellamy to make an announcement

[ROC181]

thats the thinking of sooooo many people on here that I just can't agree with.

I want to "grow" our own legends...it can be done...dont forget all those who are currently successful started somewhere.

That's Pie in the sky so stay away from what your growing

[novice chook]

Problem being Cdoo is that the words 'astute purchases' and 'Roosters' don't generally go together, as history will show. Far out we can pick out an expensive dud to waste our salary cap dollars on.

And most of the Roosters 'astute purchases' were made before the implementation of a salary cap.

And whilst coaches aren't under the salary cap, I'm not sure the Roosters these days are prepared to pay absolute top dollar for a bloke who may be surplus to requirements in less 1-2 years due to player unrest and need to be paid out. And this will happen more often under a GenY dominated roster.

Most of the top coaches want a long term deal. Personally I'm happy with the risk we've taken with Robbo and wouldn't like to see him cast aside say, after a year, so another coach can come in over the top. I don't believe it's worked out all that well for the Knights - I believe they could have done as well as they did this year or better under Stone, at a fraction of the price.

NC

[ROC181]

Like Artie and Freddie and Ronnie Coote... oh hang on..

that is one of the best

[Cockadoodledoo]

Problem being Cdoo is that the words 'astute purchases' and 'Roosters' don't generally go together, as history will show. Far out we can pick out an expensive dud to waste our salary cap dollars on.

And most of the Roosters 'astute purchases' were made before the implementation of a salary cap.

And whilst coaches aren't under the salary cap, I'm not sure the Roosters these days are prepared to pay absolute top dollar for a bloke who may be surplus to requirements in less 1-2 years due to player unrest and need to be paid out. And this will happen more often under a GenY dominated roster.

Most of the top coaches want a long term deal. Personally I'm happy with the risk we've taken with Robbo and wouldn't like to see him cast aside say, after a year, so another coach can come in over the top. I don't believe it's worked out all that well for the Knights - I believe they could have done as well as they did this year or better under Stone, at a fraction of the price.

NC

The Gen Y player roster theory is over blown imho.. Find me a club without Gen Y players lol.. The point is a coach who cannot treat the players with respect will get run out of town. Smith treated the players with zero respect and the result was inevitable. Look at how the Storm players talk about Bellamy.. He murders them on the training paddock but they talk glowingly of him as a person as he treats the players as human beings...

I agree that the Roosters don't make astute purchases generally because of the common denominator that has been there whilst we have run through a stack of coaches.. That doesn't mean you go 100% the other way and hope that signing kids and reserve grade wingers (we sign one every year.. Carney.. Tagive. Oldfield) is going to cut it.. Souths finally got professional and signed Burgess and Inglis and a good young coach to boot.. A coach that if we could re open the wall can be seen as the one i wanted to replace Freddy with. I have some optimism that Robinson could be a diamond but still way too early to call. However I would never ever knock back Bellamy.

[SConcierge]

Which team do you actually support? Surely its not the Roosters?

Prob the soft

[Guest]

the point i am making is the only time our club has been successful since 1945 is when it has made astute purchases of big name players. Not over the hill chumps like we usually buy like Mason, O'Meley, Vautin, Dunn (second time), Shearer etc etc.. I agree in principal with developing players but to be successful you need to buy some top draw talent, particularly when you have deficiencies. Manly and the Bulldogs are prime examples of clubs who constantly buy select top line talent to supplement their juniors and it is no surprise they are the most successful Sydney teams.

Brisbane is to a large degree an exception due to their massive junior base but occassionally bring proven players back like Hodges and Hannant. Melbourne is an exception but made no secret when POS was there that they paid absolute top dollar to get the best juniors and had a much bigger budget to do so through the funding from News Ltd. It will be interesting to see how successful they are once Smith, Cronk and Slater eventually retire. Maybe their strategy will change.. The Dragons also showed when signing Bennett the impact of what a top line coach can do. Hopefully we can emulate Souths and Robinson can have a similar impact to Maguire.

I agree with what you have said.

I would love to see Robinson have a similar impact as Maguire. For me if Robinson comes in & gets the Roosters to 8th position in his first year I think that would be a success.
I would like to see a year by year improvement rather than instant success. Coming 8th next year, 4th the following year, 2nd the following year & hopefully Premiers then being a top 4 side for the next 20 years, winning more comps along the way would do me.

The instant success is a double edged sword, it's all good while it is happening but then to back it up year after year is impossible. It causes to much pressure on everyone at the club IMO.

[Cockadoodledoo]

I agree with what you have said.

I would love to see Robinson have a similar impact as Maguire. For me if Robinson comes in & gets the Roosters to 8th position in his first year I think that would be a success.
I would like to see a year by year improvement rather than instant success. Coming 8th next year, 4th the following year, 2nd the following year & hopefully Premiers then being a top 4 side for the next 20 years, winning more comps along the way would do me.

The instant success is a double edged sword, it's all good while it is happening but then to back it up year after year is impossible. It causes to much pressure on everyone at the club IMO.

Can we win in the third year rather than finish second? I am bit sick of losing grand finals lol... Otherwise your point is a very good one re; the instant success. I think the problem with that instant success is that players think they don't have to keep the hard work going and forget why they were successful in the first place. That slower improvement forces players to know they have to keep working harder to get greater rewards.

[Guest]

Can we win in the third year rather than finish second? I am bit sick of losing grand finals lol... Otherwise your point is a very good one re; the instant success. I think the problem with that instant success is that players think they don't have to keep the hard work going and forget why they were successful in the first place. That slower improvement forces players to know they have to keep working harder to get greater rewards.

I like that idea too.

[redwhiteblue]

I support Easts and don't want Bellamy. In fact when I hear he has signed elsewhere I will have a small celebration.

Is that ok?

To quote Marg Downey from Fast Forward: "I'll be splitting my sides from uncontrollable laughter at that one!"

[Guest]

I support Easts and don't want Bellamy. In fact when I hear he has signed elsewhere I will have a small celebration.

Is that ok?

you are of course entitled to your opinion as everyone is.

but let me get this right, you wanted smith to stay and you dont like or want bellamy, is that right on both counts?

[Jacks Fur Coat]

you are of course entitled to your opinion as everyone is.

but let me get this right, you wanted smith to stay and you dont like or want bellamy, is that right on both counts?

Correct - I was happy for Smithy to see out his contract with JT being groomed to take the reins in 2014.

However Im pleased we appointed an up-and-coming coach in TR and not tried to recycle one of the been there, done that brigade.

[mightyrooster]

Disagree. He doesn't have anything left to prove at Melbourne, and he'll parlay his success and his reputation into a huge $$ deal somewhere else. Don't want him here though.

I agree with you there. I'm glad the club chose Robbo. I know Bellamy has done wonders with the Storm but I'm not sure he can translate that success with Easts. He also rubs me the wrong way! Not that liking a coach should be a consideration in whether the club should employ him or not. I hated Ricky Stuart too but he coached us to a premiership. I think it's the wrestling, dirty tactics which rub me the wrong way with Bellamy and his smug, arrogant demeanor. And vulgar carry on from the coach's box!

[ROC181]

I agree with you there. I'm glad the club chose Robbo. I know Bellamy has done wonders with the Storm but I'm not sure he can translate that success with Easts. He also rubs me the wrong way! Not that liking a coach should be a consideration in whether the club should employ him or not. I hated Ricky Stuart too but he coached us to a premiership. I think it's the wrestling, dirty tactics which rub me the wrong way with Bellamy and his smug, arrogant demeanor. And vulgar carry on from the coach's box!

Like Bennett? well that brought success. Though I am not a fan of AFL you can also include Malthouse in there as well. as for the 'dirty tactics'... yes he pushed the boundaries but at the time it wasn't illegal so you can blame him for being a little innovative, though i'm sure those tactics may have come from another sport. I'm sure that if we would get a Bellamy type coaching us, we'd look the other way if he brought us success...it's natural.

[mightyrooster]

Like Bennett? well that brought success. Though I am not a fan of AFL you can also include Malthouse in there as well. as for the 'dirty tactics'... yes he pushed the boundaries but at the time it wasn't illegal so you can blame him for being a little innovative, though i'm sure those tactics may have come from another sport. I'm sure that if we would get a Bellamy type coaching us, we'd look the other way if he brought us success...it's natural.

Yes you're right. If Bellamy coached us using those 'dirty' tactics I describe I would probably turn a blind eye simply out of blind loyalty to the Roosters and wanting to win premierships. But I don't like the way his tactics have changed the game of rugby league. It is far too slow and dour now. I love watching the old games on Foxtel from the nineties to early noughties - the game was so much more entertaining and skillful then.

[ROC181]

Yes you're right. If Bellamy coached us using those 'dirty' tactics I describe I would probably turn a blind eye simply out of blind loyalty to the Roosters and wanting to win premierships. But I don't like the way his tactics have changed the game of rugby league. It is far too slow and dour now. I love watching the old games on Foxtel from the nineties to early noughties - the game was so much more entertaining and skillful then.

You have to admire his 'tactics' too...That defensive display in the GF was awesome. Everyone I know who watched that game were in awe of that as much, if not more, as the attacking ability.