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    What complete dribble. From a 'leading' NRL journalist?:


    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1226486173054

    Paul Kent
    The Daily Telegraph
    October 02, 2012 12:00AM

    I HAVE watched the Swans live only four times, but any time soon I expect my life membership to arrive in the mail.

    The Swans, it seems, can't afford to do without me.

    The first time I watched was 1996, a preliminary final at the SCG which most of you will remember was the night Tony Lockett kicked that after-the-siren behind to steer the Swans into their first grand final since moving to Sydney.

    It is still regarded as one of the greatest wins in the club's history.

    I didn't go to the grand final the following week, expenses being what they were, and they lost.

    The second time was in 2005, when confidence was everywhere that their time was now and so I was there to see them beat West Coast by four in the Grand Final.

    Up to then it was the club's greatest win.

    The third was 11 days ago, another preliminary final, when the boss heard of my once-a-decade good fortune visited upon them and absolutely insisted I go to the Collingwood final, which they naturally won.

    The fourth was Saturday, against raging favourites Hawthorn, when what else could they do but keep the streak alive and win only their second grand final.

    As good sporting streaks go, I'd prefer it to be the Melbourne Cup, but so long as they don't start rubbing me for luck before games then being the Swans' talisman isn't all bad news.

    For one, Saturday's AFL Grand Final was one of the great contests seen on a football field, an absolute pleasure to watch.

    It was a clear points winner over Sunday's NRL decider.

    The NRL has serious problems in its game, which it took the Swans victory over Hawthorn to highlight.

    The Swans looked gone at the end of the first quarter.

    They played nervously the entire first 30 minutes and stayed in the game through a combination of dogged defence and poor accuracy from the Hawks, until Hawthorn kicked clear with three late goals to lead 4-5 (29) to 1-4 (10).

    Then came quarter-time, and something special.

    Raising their commitment to defence -- nothing but an effort play -- the Swans played their way back into the game by attacking when Hawthorn had the ball.

    They went after the Hawks, and their commitment changed the game.

    The Bulldogs tackled just as gamely in the NRL, but the rules are such now that once the momentum starts to swing against a team it is like batting back an avalanche with a tennis racquet.

    Craig Bellamy acknowledged as much after the game, saying Canterbury used up so much juice during that period it dulled their attack when possession eventually turned their way.

    The NRL's concern should be, though, that the Dogs did everything they could have been asked to do but got no reward for their effort.

    Once a team establishes dominance under current NRL rules, they win the game.

    Because the opposition can't get a crack with the ball, it is virtually impossible to fight your way back into the game.

    In past days, defending teams could win the ball against the feed in a scrum, or steal it from a loose carry, or rake it back in the play-the-ball to even the share of possession.

    They're either discouraged or illegal under modern rules.

    Not so in the AFL, where turnovers are many, and the game benefits because of it.

    Saturday's Grand Final ebbed and flowed, rising with the efforts of the players, until the bravery of the Swans won through.

    The Bulldogs got no reward for their bravery. They had no option but to soak up tackle after tackle, and no opportunity to take back the ball and fight their way back.

    When a team is near perfect, the game is over. And as the weekend proved, so is the spectacle.

    Throughout this whole NRL finals series, an anticlimactic series despite the applause for teams one and two winning through to the decider, not a single team fought its way back to win once they lost the early grind.

    NRL grand finals were always famous for two teams punching themselves to a standstill, the bravest left standing.

    Now it is about completions.

    The AFL is where it's at now.

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    Does this mean he won't write about NRL games now? If so, do you think he can convert the beetroot-faced turd too?

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    • #3
      I think a lot of what he said is right, in my opinion. The AFL GF was a better spectacle than the NRL GF. Way more exciting, more changes in the lead.
      I reckon the Jets v Tigers game was better than the NRL too.
      Member 2008 - forever

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      • #4
        There is only one Sydney AFL team...no GWS doesn't count and there are 8 Sydney teams in the NRL. I'm sure many Sydney siders went for Sydney in the AFL whilst for the NRL, I think I saw 60/40 for Melbourne in Balmain. at the end of the day, I went for the Swans because it was Sydney in the final otherwise I wouldn't give a XXXX. They do have some dumb rules like if it goes through the goal post but just happens to nick the post, it's only 1 point. How dumb is that? Of course there are other rules which puzzles me.
        Last edited by ROC181; 10-02-2012, 02:40 PM.

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        • #5
          I'm not an avid AFL viewer but have to admit the GF was a great game, probably because the result was in the balance until the final hooter. And the bonus is the Swans won of course. I must have watched the last few minutes of that match half a dozen times since Sat courtesy of Fox Footy.

          Now there's a team that our blokes can base their culture on - the Swans and their team before individual and never say die attitude.

          I did watch a replay of the first half of the NRL GF yesterday in order to experience some decent commentary of it - which Gould and Rabs certainly didn't provide. Whilst it was a good tight match, Storm always seemed to hold the upper hand and in control.

          NC
          Supporting the RW&B, through good times and bad times.

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          • #6
            So basically what Kent is saying is that it is unfair that the best team on the day was able to win.
            ...

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            • #7
              I watched both games and enjoyed both. I watch pretty much every swans game and love the way they play. They know there strengths and they play to it. Hard tackling, numbers at the ball and rebound attack. There game was more exciting because of the back and forth tussle and the constant change in momentum.

              The Storm are very similar in that they know what there good at and they know how to stick to that plan all game. The defence from both sides was amazing. Bellamy had a plan to stop the dogs and they pulled it off perfectly. Not only was there up and in defence near perfect but there scramble defence was just the same. The dogs just had no plan b to fall back onto. Even the dogs defence was top shelf especially on there goal line. Sure it wasn't an open attack gf but it was still great to watch two teams dig deep and defend with such determination. The NRL ebbed and flowed momentum wise through out the game too. The storm dominated the end of the first half then the dogs came out and dominated the start of the second half. It was only through a great defensive effort that the storm where able to weather the dogs and regain some territory and possession after that.
              Like I said I thought it was a great game of footy to watch.
              If the dogs had a decent no 7 they may have come away with the trophy. Poor Keating just isn't up to scratch when it comes to no7's in the nrl

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cockadoodledoo View Post
                So basically what Kent is saying is that it is unfair that the best team on the day was able to win.
                Whilst technically correct Its an extreemely narrow minded view

                The point Kent is making and it is a valid one Is this in one game Momentum can swing from one way to the other very quickly not matter how well you execute your plays structures or whatever you want to call them For the simple fact is you can always contest the ball no matter what

                The other match If you execute properly hold the ball and play to your structures It is extremely difficult to get the momentum in your favour before the game is long gone As the defence cannot contest the ball unless it is a one on one tackle

                Kent makes a valid point

                If everyone held your view We would still have unlimited tackles and St George Would have won 50 straight premierships by now
                Last edited by Andrew Walker; 10-02-2012, 08:19 PM.
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                what you get is what you got
                Cause when they own the information
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                • #9
                  Perhaps you should follow union or chess.
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                  • #10
                    How many times do we see see-sawing contests in the NRL? How many times would you see one sided affairs in the AFL? I'm sure the answer to both is 'plenty of times'. Dogs had their chances but couldn't capitalise and Storm were just too good.

                    I find it ridiculous to complain that teams couldn't come back from behind in finals games this year. If they were good enough they could have.

                    "AFL is where it's at now"? What a strange statement from an NRL journalist.

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                    • #11
                      The issues I have with this article are not that he's supposed to be a Rugby League journalist, if he wants to have a crack at Rugby League he should be more than entitled to but it's the lack of evidence & knowledge that annoys me. Just pure arrogance from a man with a massive ego.

                      He starts off by stating that he's only ever seen 4 Swans games in his life time, what gave him the thought that he's the right person to be comparing and analysisng the two games given his stated lack of knowledge & understanding of AFL I'll never know.

                      What he also glosses over is the fact that the Dogs did get their momentum swing, in the second half the dogs had 7 repeat sets, the Storm didn't even get a hold of the ball until the 10th minute of the second half. Possession ended up 54% to 46%, so yes there were momentum shifts right throughout the game.

                      Sure possession doesn't change hands as quickly compared to games like AFL & Soccer but surely he's not just figuring this out now after watching his 4th game of AFL? We've known this since the inception of the game ffs.

                      Comparing what has been labeled one of the greatest grand finals in AFL history to one of the more forgettable Rugby League games doesn't even rank up there with some of the other stupid crap he comes with. Only tonight he questioned why Langer was never mentioned as a possible immortal, he's an embarrassment to our game god I hope he jumps over to AFL.
                      Last edited by Rooster_6; 10-03-2012, 12:38 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rooster_6 View Post
                        The issues I have with this article are not that he's supposed to be a Rugby League journalist, if he wants to have a crack at Rugby League he should be more than entitled to but it's the lack of evidence & knowledge that annoys me. Just pure arrogance from a man with a massive ego.

                        He starts off by stating that he's only ever seen 4 Swans games in his life time, what gave him the thought that he's the right person to be comparing and analysisng the two games given his stated lack of knowledge & understanding of AFL I'll never know.

                        What he also glosses over is the fact that the Dogs did get their momentum swing, in the second half the dogs had 7 repeat sets, the Storm didn't even get a hold of the ball until the 10th minute of the second half. Possession ended up 54% to 46%, so yes there were momentum shifts right throughout the game.

                        Sure possession doesn't change hands as quickly compared to games like AFL & Soccer but surely he's not just figuring this out now after watching his 4th game of AFL? We've known this since the inception of the game ffs.

                        Comparing what has been labeled one of the greatest grand finals in AFL history to one of the more forgettable Rugby League games doesn't even rank up there with some of the other stupid crap he comes with. Only tonight he questioned why Langer was never mentioned as a possible immortal, he's an embarrassment to our game god I hope he jumps over to AFL.
                        Bloody spot on post R6.

                        Just a wanker with a license to dribble his biased worthless whingeing crap to the unfortunate amongst us who would pay for the telegraph. I wouldn't wipe my bum with the stuff.

                        As you point out, he makes no sense and has no point to make. Most likely explanation is he was drunk, like his boss constantly is, and bet his pathetic weekly wages on a bullscum win - what a loser. They had plenty of chances but were never in it; completely outclassed by the storm. All their cheating ANZ "third party sponsor" rorting deals only served to dish them a soul-destroying miserable defeat.

                        LOL @ Paul C.unt. Hope he is still losing sleep over his lost wager. Sucked in loser!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Geohood View Post

                          "AFL is where it's at now"? What a strange statement from an NRL journalist.

                          Mate your giving him a pretty big wrap there calling him a journalist.

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                          • #14
                            I think the point his trying to make is that rule changes needs to occur to make this game of ours to be more intresting and eventfull in terms of the attacking and defending sides... say for instance in AFL, a game can change so easily they have rules in place which can change the momentum quickly ... i reckon nrl should implement strategic timeouts or something .. just to c how good coaches really are as well as if the players can implement it i say 1 every 15 min 4 intervals just an idea!!
                            Last edited by Fittler2004; 10-05-2012, 12:49 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Why would you make changes just to the game to attract people who at the end of the day is not interested? AFL has some of the most ridiculous rules I have ever seen in a sport but yet they thrive. I think it's purely because it's run better than the NRL for the last 20 years. The increasing popularity in AFL here and QLD has plenty to do with Mexicans migrating north at the same speed as the cane toads going South. And good management.

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