Your ideas for Fixing the Cap...

[BUDDY]

Hey pearcesworsenightmare. I think if you show up to the NRL CEO meeting with that proposal, I can see all of them just nodding their heads and smiling. Just make sure you wear that same top

[Guest]

In the famous words of Monty Burns.....release the hounds....open slather...time to stop worrying about the clubs that might perish...time to move on with the times...they always make comparisons with how the EPL has only 3 or 4 teams able to win the comp every year like the Man U's & Chelsea's or Liverpool & Arsenal teams...yet the EPL attracts top dollar from tv rights & the corporate sector & if anything all the other clubs are vying to get to their level...

This argument that some clubs will go broke is bullshit...so farken what...the ridiculous thing is if a club's got a good team together they could get sponsors and backers to back them to keep a side together and reap the rewards down track by keeping a gun side together...look at Canberra for an example...they bring some juniors through and they form into a formidable NRL side...all of a sudden they get backing from private sponsors as they know they will get a heap of exposure as they will be on the telly and the news all the time and the Canberra side with smart marketing and managers can get the dollars to get a top shelf product on the market...aka the gun side they had when they won 3 comps...the salary cap killed that team in the end...and that was wrong...

I look at Brian Waldron as a ballsy **** that had the fore sight to keep a gun side together regardless of the negative NRL rules that would see him breaking up a side they had built from scratch with some gun young players...

Gus Gould come on down.

[Headless Chook]

ridiculous and will never happen

Points to prove: club bosses moot radical overhaul of the cap system GLENN JACKSON
July 22, 2010

A PUSH to scrap the NRL salary cap in favour of a ''Fantasy League'' styled points system will today be discussed by the club chief executives overseeing cap reform.

The five-man sub-committee - comprising club bosses Shane Richardson, Bruno Cullen, Steve Burraston, Don Furner and Steve Noyce - will today decide whether to recommend to the other NRL chief executives that a points system is trialled alongside the current salary cap next season, with a view to implementing a model as early as 2013.

While the machinations of the system are still to be decided, the concept has still garnered significant support from the sub-committee.

Salary cap auditor Ian Schubert is believed to have prepared a number of models to discuss with the working party, although supporters of it acknowledge that only trial and error is likely to produce the best system. That is why Schubert is planning to run the points system parallel with the current salary cap this year and next year.

If it produces favourable results, members of the sub-committee conceded it could be in place by 2013, after the next broadcasting deal is confirmed. They say at least a year would be required for the ''phasing in'' process to take place.

''I believe it's a fool-proof way to stop cheating,'' Furner, the Canberra chief executive, said yesterday. ''You can't put more than X amount of points on the field.''

It is believed the committee will work initially on a 100-point model for each club. Every player will be graded based on, principally, the number of NRL games they have played and representative experience. Discounts are expected to be suggested for long-serving players.

But there remain some chinks; for example if players are valued higher if they play State of Origin and Test football, how should a Kiwi international, say Benji Marshall, or an English representative, Sam Burgess, be treated?

The sub-committee will meet today to discuss the various models, as well as other cap reform, before making their recommendations to all the CEOs next week.

''It's a new animal,'' said Noyce, the Roosters boss. ''The recommendation [from the last meeting of the sub-committee] was to overlay it over this season and next season and see what anomalies it may spit out. If we put it up against existing rosters, after two or three years we'll have the ability to see whether it has merit, or spits out too many anomalies. I think it's good that we're looking at different options. Some of them are worth taking a little bit of time with.''

Sharks chairman Damian Irvine has proposed a points model previously, while Manly chief executive Graham Lowe is understood to have tendered a similar proposal as part of salary cap submissions offered up by all club bosses recently.

Cullen said he was warming to the idea of replacing the salary cap - which has served its purpose but which regularly attracts criticism - with a points system.

''I'm a bit of a convert to it,'' Cullen admitted yesterday. ''It's an attractive type of scheme because it takes away all the salary cap-type considerations. It's certainly caught our [the sub-committee's] interest and we think it worthy of consideration.''

But Furner, while also offering firm support, also admitted that some form of salary cap would still exist alongside the points model to ensure the clubs did not spend beyond their means.

''We all whinge about the salary cap,'' he said. ''It's like speeding laws. You know that you need them but you don't like it when you get fined. Everybody realises that the salary cap has saved clubs from going broke. It's restraint of trade, but it does work - it's stopped clubs going broke and it's stopped clubs dominating.''


http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l...721-10l50.html

Goes to show how much you know doesn't it!

[melon....]

Lower the cap, make the players get real jobs !!!

We have a winner.


and piss off News Ltd.

[Guest]

How would a points system look. Could every player be worth 5 and then it’s give and take for what they’ve achieved (Rep, profile, awards etc) and where they’ve come from (long services, local juniors etc).

I’ve had a little play and here’s the roosters from last weekend in a 100 point system.

Mini 3 points (5 + 3 for rep + 2 for profile -7 for 10 years service)
Luilua 3 points (5 – 2 for junior grades)
Linnet 3 points (5 – 2 for junior grades)
Skd 2 points (5 +2 for test – 3 for 5 years service – 2 for junior grades)
Perrett 2 points (5 + 2 for test – 3 for 5 years service – 2 for junior grades)
Carney 8 points (5 + 1 for rep + 2 for profile)
Pearce 7 points (5 + 2 rep + 2 for profile – 2 for junior grades)
Anasta 9 points (5 + 2 rep + 2 for profile)
Myles 9 points (5 + 2 rep + 2 for profile)
Maubs 7 points (5 + 2 for profile)
Mose 3 points (5 – 2 for junior grades)
Friend 5 points (5)
Ryles 7 points (5) maybe there should also be a clause for bringing a player back from the UK

JWH 7 points (5 + 2 for test)
Koops 5 points (5)
Kennedy 5 points (5)
Conn 5 points (5)

Total – 90

Just an idea anyway and it’s be interesting with a squad of 25.

[Headless Chook]

We have a winner.


and piss off News Ltd.

And how many players do you think would actually stay in the game if we lowered their salary and made them get jobs? You'd end up watching Forrestville Ferrets vs Coogee Wombats instead of Manly vs Easts!

[Guest]

I've been thinking along the lines of the player retains his original value when signed to a club and count that towards the cap ie: Jake Friend - first Roosters contract $50K counts towards cap. If and when he renegotiates with another club that contract amount say $250K will then be counted towards the new clubs cap otherwise if he re-signs with the Chooks $50K counts towards cap.

That way it promotes the use of juniors throughout the system and also rewards longer serving players.

[Kingbilly]

And how many players do you think would actually stay in the game if we lowered their salary and made them get jobs? You'd end up watching Forrestville Ferrets vs Coogee Wombats instead of Manly vs Easts!

And if it didn't we will end up paying $50 a ticket and $250 a month for foxtel.
There are not infinite big $ positions out there for the players to go to.

The RL is not limitless nor is the income a bottomless pit. Give the game back to the people and take it from the money hungry

[ism22]

Hmmm my random opinion...
NRL (under a new independent body) pays all the salaries, and clubs have to give it 4 million a year (which is then redistributed.) Incomes aren't fixed by the NRL, but are moderated (so you don't get Gaz joining the Dragons mid-season and getting paid SFA.)

Expand the rep season, and get the NRL to pay BIG rep bonuses, particularly to the top players so that if you're one of Australia's best say... 30 players you're loaded with cash no matter who you play for.

Outside sponsorships are fair game, and you get them on an individual basis no matter who you play for. They can be for as much as people are winning to pay. You must then wear their badge on your jersey and declare how much they paid for it. This doesn't count towards the cap, but your NRL salary does, and obviously if you're getting millions of dollars in 3rd party sponsorship, your NRL salary's also going to be high (and puts pressure on the clubs with regard to the cap.)

I don't want it to be some centralized union system or anything... but maybe this would work better? Maybe not...

[Headless Chook]

And if it didn't we will end up paying $50 a ticket and $250 a month for foxtel.
There are not infinite big $ positions out there for the players to go to.

The RL is not limitless nor is the income a bottomless pit. Give the game back to the people and take it from the money hungry

So what exactly will you be giving back to the people when all of the players have left because:

a) Super League in England will pay them 3 times what they're getting here

b) Rugby Union will pay them double the salary for half the workload and media scrutiny

c) Junior numbers will drop off because all the big stars are either playing overseas or playing another code.

Gee I'm glad you aren't in charge. I could see it....'Hey Toddy, we want you to train 3 days a week, then go to work as a concretor, oh and by the way, we can now only pay you $200k a season....Toddy...Toddy...come back...where are you going mate, you haven't signed your new contract!'

[Cockadoodledoo]

And if it didn't we will end up paying $50 a ticket and $250 a month for foxtel.
There are not infinite big $ positions out there for the players to go to.

The RL is not limitless nor is the income a bottomless pit. Give the game back to the people and take it from the money hungry

Where do you get this impression NRL players are overpaid? I read they received approximately 23% of total revenue generated which was on par with AFL. Given the revenue is currently less than it should be due to television contracts sold for unders, then we should expect with the new TV rights coming up that we should see an increase in the overall pool distributed.

[Guest]

I reckon the three key problems with the cap are:

1. Losing rep players to other codes/oversease
2. No incentive to develop younger players
3. No relief for long term players, affects club culture and loyalty

The changes I would make are:

1. ARL, NZRL, etc put rep players under a rep contract (similar to cricket) - this money is cap exempt. This allows you to keep top players in the game without sending clubs broke

2. 20% cap discount for any player brought through your system from SG Ball on (up to a dollar limit)

3. 20% cap discount for any player with eight continuous years of first grade with your club. 50% discount for any player with 10 continuous years of first grade with your club.

[Guest]

The points system proposal is the stupidest idea ever, it will never work. It would honestly create more problems. How can you determine the value of each player?

The easiest and fairest way to give everyone a chance is to have a draft. That way the good young kids are spread around the league and the team that drafts them has the option and exemptions in the cap to keep them. We all know that it will never happen though.

At the moment what I would change is more exemptions for junior players. If a player has been at a club since they were a teenager the club should be able to pay them whatever they want. I would limit that to 3-4 players though. I think it will encourage more loyalty between players and clubs. It honestly does a disservice to the game to see so many players changing clubs. If a player has played 6-7 years at a club and he wants to stay there it is advantageous to the club and the league that he stays there. The salary cap should never stand in the way.

If other clubs can't afford the changes, tough luck. Get your house in order.

Also more bonuses to rep players.

[Kingbilly]

But they won't all disappear, there are not infinite jobs.
They are over paid because of the $s that NEWs are pouring into the game and the inflated costs of being a fan, e.g. foxtel

Yes it is a ridiculous idea, but I always throw it out there because it is infact less ridiculous than just paying these gibberers more money to keep them.

A small business can't pay a great employee what ever they feel like without basing it on realistic income. The NRL can't continue down the path created by a unrealistic pipe dream (Super League) wuthout it biting them in the bum