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    Link: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l...0508-ukv6.html

    History shows once talent and fans leave, it's hard to get them back
    SEAN FAGAN
    May 9, 2010

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    You would think that of all the football codes, the one that would put the interests of its professional players at the top of the game would be rugby league - after all, unlike every other sport, it only came into existence at all as a means to provide fairer treatment for the men who provide us with our weekly football thrills.

    Jersey Flegg, who was Easts' first captain and went on to be Australian Rugby League president until 1960, is quoted as saying: "When the game was founded in 1908 its first principle was that the players must come first." Any reading of the events of that period will confirm that view.

    History tells us that once a dominant code begins to lose star players (and then fans) it is practically impossible to gain that support back. In the mid-1880s northern England was the heartland of English rugby, with soccer a very distant second. However, for a decade the Rugby Football Union (RFU) rejected calls to pay players and to improve the game as a spectacle - by the time clubs broke away to form rugby league, soccer had long since claimed many northern cities, including Manchester.

    It took just three years for rugby league to grow from secret meetings among disgruntled footballers into a rival code that completely overran rugby union in Sydney, Newcastle and Brisbane. The key ingredient for keeping ownership of a territory, or making ground in a new one, is expediency - to do what is for the greater good of those who play it, even if it is unfair to others.

    The AFL is being expedient by ignoring its salary cap and draft - giving advantages to teams in the northern states, and by bolstering the money put up to sign to Karmichael Hunt and potentially Israel Folau. The ARU is kicking in $100,000 to help the Melbourne Rebels in their pitch to Folau. NRL clubs have to fight individually on behalf of their code.

    In Britain, rugby union stopped league's advances southward in the early 1900s by turning a blind eye to blatant acts of professionalism committed by its clubs in Leicester, Coventry and Wales - issuing bans would have handed clubs, players and new territory to rugby league.

    Had the RFU stuck rigidly to being fair and equitable, it arguably would have vanished before World War I.

    In the 1930s when Sydney rugby league clubs were losing players to country towns, Queensland and England, the NSWRL devised a ''Players Retention Fund'' that squirreled away money from gate-takings and then used it to provide contracts for individual players thought vital to the code.

    Tinkering around the edges of the 2011 salary cap, or deciding to keep the status quo until the next television deal in 2013, will result in rugby league losing ground to other codes. Trying to win that back will take time and more money, and may never succeed.

    It is obvious to all that the AFL is making one epic attempt to gain significant support in the northern states. Should it succeed, rugby league will have a formidable opponent for the rest of its existence. Should the AFL fail, then rugby league can enjoy a life relatively free of competition. Tactically, the best opportunity rugby league has to quell and dissuade the AFL's ambition is here and now, by ensuring the NRL is the most compelling and star-blessed competition it can be.

    History will judge just how an important time and opportunity 2010 is for the game. By trying to be fair to every NRL club and waiting until 2013 to mount a NRL revival is a chance the game cannot afford to take. Future generations of rugby league seem destined to look back upon 2010 and ask, "Why weren't the game's leaders more expedient in their actions?"

    Sean Fagan is a rugby league historian (RL1908.com)




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  • #2
    who cares if we lose Falou?

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    • #3
      thanks for that, very sobering article

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      • #4
        Good article that and I wish this guy was someone the power brokers in league would listen to closely.
        "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

        Thomas Jefferson

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Comrade View Post
          who cares if we lose Falou?
          IMO its not about losing 1 player. Its about losing ANY player. Afterall without the players we have nothing.

          Our game used to be the game other people wanted to play. And I have no illusions, it was all about $$$$. Always has been.

          But since News took over the game we are losing players. I thought they told us how players would be millionares???

          Somethings wrong when on TV we out-rate both gAyFLand Yawnion but we seem to be losing players to these codes and to UK SL.

          I find it alarming we are being told continually we have the best "product" but we can afford to compete with codes that have a lesser "product".

          We are lining someones pockets, and the players are getting paid less than lesser players in lesser codes and our grassroots are struggling.



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          • #6
            RL outrates RU in each city, but it has more people watching it diue to NZ and South Africa to start with.
            I think its too much an individual thing, as in its not a mass exodus, its far from it.

            I could not care if they paid them $10million a year, but where the hell is the extra money going to come from. There is no charity and its going to come from the fans.
            The Internet is a place for posting silly things
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            • #7
              When there is a conflict of interest between News Ltd/Foxtel/Ch 9, the amount of cash will always be minimal. Channels 7 and 10 need to put in decent bids for the tv rights, thus more $$$ for the league, and more $$$ for the clubs. Read somewhere that the clubs get less than 40% revenue from the nrl.

              The nrl tv rights dwarf the gay-fl tv rights. Ch 9 is on a sweet deal at the moment. Making a shitload out of advertising revenue, getting very good tv ratings, while paying peanuts for the rights. Come on ch 7 or 10, lets get rid of those ch 9 imposters.

              Demitriou is so far ahead of Gallop its not funny. Gallop could not organise a root in a brothel.

              Crikey.

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              • #8
                The TV rights is an interesting thing.

                Even without news owning the league, Fox sports will have the upperhand, they are the only ones who can provide uninterupted and live viewings of games.

                So the pay TV side of things will probably be cheap. The only channel i can see that can provide a similar service to Foxsports is Ch10 and their ONE sports channel. they would be able to show more games, but they would need some extensive programming to fit the AFL and NRL together.

                The free to air rights will be at premium price, but i think Foxsports will continue to obtain the "family discount"

                Delecto Oriens est odio Meridianus
                To love Easts is to hate Souffs

                Originally posted by Bill Shankley, Liverpool FC
                At a football club, there’s a holy trinity – the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques.
                Originally posted by Andy Raymond Commentating Souffs V Manly 18/04/09
                The fireworks at the Easter show are making more noise than the crowd tonight

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                • #9
                  I think that the article makes some good points but I am unsure if the impact will be that great. Take Hunt for example, he gets paid $1,000,000 to play AFL. The main reason for this is (I imagine) is to get NRL fans to watch him play AFL and then switch their support. If Hunt does not fire, then is the money wasted? I would think so.

                  Then you have the other codes paying their players a lot more. Let's say the NRL raise their salary cap. It will only stop players going to other codes if the cap is raised enough to rival the money that the other codes pay their players. This is unlikely.

                  Emotions are running high at the moment because of the Storm getting busted and we now have the players saying they will walk. This is nothing more than a threat to the administrators to "give us more money or else". You cannot negotiate a decent outcome for either party when you have threats such as this.

                  I will still watch the game no matter who leaves to chase the dollar. Good on em, they deserve to earn as much as they can, we all do. Will they be happy playing in a code that they do not excell at while sitting back counting their cash? I hope so for their sake...

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                  • #10
                    all players are replaceable

                    it didn't matter when union tried to buy wendell, rogers, etc

                    doesn't matter about French rugby now

                    doesn't mater about AFL now

                    if Hayne wants to go, then go

                    dugan will take over

                    if he goes, someone else will

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                    • #11
                      We have the best "product", or so we are constantly told.

                      A perfect TV game. Yawnions mostly a bore and gAyFL is a live game that loses alot of meaning on TV, hence their outstanding live crowds.

                      We should be promoting the fark out of our games TV potential. Charge cheaper prices for live attendences, have a dedicated 24/7 Pay TV RL channel and promote the fark out of it.

                      It does not make any sense that the better TV rating game makes less off their TV rights deals and constantly lose players to lesser rating games.

                      NewsRL ONLY runs RL to make a profit. They have zero interest in the future or promotion of our game, they are in it to re-coup what the spent during SL. They have raped our game and forced us from the No 1 code in this country to No 3 in about 12yrs. Theyve promised vision, future, profit, the farking world and delivered NOTHING.

                      I feel violated.



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                      • #12
                        We are told we have the best product by who? Those that follow the game....

                        The TV rights are not up for negotiation until 2012 so nothing can be done until then.

                        NewsRL would have a interest in the game as they need to maintain their profit. Seems silly to run something into the ground that makes a profit.

                        I agree that they look upon it as a commodity rather than a...(help me out here) entity(?)....

                        SL was about Pay TV rights. Nothing more, nothing less. There is now a monopoly on Pay TV is this country but things may change in the future.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JohnL View Post
                          We are told we have the best product by who? Those that follow the game....

                          The TV rights are not up for negotiation until 2012 so nothing can be done until then.

                          NewsRL would have a interest in the game as they need to maintain their profit. Seems silly to run something into the ground that makes a profit.

                          I agree that they look upon it as a commodity rather than a...(help me out here) entity(?)....

                          SL was about Pay TV rights. Nothing more, nothing less. There is now a monopoly on Pay TV is this country but things may change in the future.
                          By TV ratings mate. The "product" is the TV package, it seems our game is purpose built for TV, IMO thats where we should be looking to our future.

                          Agreed with TV rights mate. But we need to get News out of those negotiations.

                          IMO they make their profit from the way they negotiate. Part owning the major sponsor and Pay TV company ensures RL enters negotiations with News running at least 3 agendas. To them it doesnt matter if RL makes 200 mill or 400 mill a season, they win-win-win with their interests in Pay and Telstra.

                          NSW and QLD is the RL centre of Australia. Its also where Fox sell most of their units. Therefore imagine they dont want RL??? Imagine how many will flick Fox in those two states alone??? Basically everyone I know, me included, only got Pay TV for the fact it has RL on it. Id imagine many many more would/could do the same. Imagine losing 1/2 of those subscriptions???

                          I believe without News LTD involved with the NRL we give ourselves the best chance in the future TV rights and sponsorship negotiations.



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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by stsae View Post
                            We have the best "product", or so we are constantly told.

                            A perfect TV game. Yawnions mostly a bore and gAyFL is a live game that loses alot of meaning on TV, hence their outstanding live crowds.

                            We should be promoting the fark out of our games TV potential. Charge cheaper prices for live attendences, have a dedicated 24/7 Pay TV RL channel and promote the fark out of it.

                            It does not make any sense that the better TV rating game makes less off their TV rights deals and constantly lose players to lesser rating games.

                            NewsRL ONLY runs RL to make a profit. They have zero interest in the future or promotion of our game, they are in it to re-coup what the spent during SL. They have raped our game and forced us from the No 1 code in this country to No 3 in about 12yrs. Theyve promised vision, future, profit, the farking world and delivered NOTHING.

                            I feel violated.

                            What have you been getting up to maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate

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