Ricky Stuart quits the Sharks.

[Guest]

His inability to recruit and retain the right players has always been his major problem. I think we all know he can get teams up for any game, their fitness and defence will always be first grade standard but he has no concept of balance in a team. In one year he let Kimmorley, De Gois & Kingston go, who did he bring in? Corey Hughes and Tampon Barrett. .

There were extenuating circumstances in the case of Kimmorley. The idea was for Bird to play five-eighth, allowing Barrett to play half. But then when Bird was sacked, those plans were thrown into chaos. and don't forget that Barrett came a hell of a lot cheaper than what Kimmorley was asking. For a cash strapped club, the saving proved too great a temptation.

Stuart has made mistakes with recruitment and retention, no doubt about it. every coach makes them. One other thing to remember as well, is that recruitment and retention is not the sole jurisdiction of the coach.

[Guest]

he said soward would never play first grade.
lol

No, he didn't. why would he, when Soward played first grade under Stuart in 2006?

[Guest]

well the problem is, they confuse their dislike of the man with his ability to coach. A common problem. you see it all the time on the forums, "oh such and such is shit - i hate him", etc. It's kids stuff.

You have blinkers on!!

Stuart couldn't coach another so called halfback in Finch to win a GF? Not much of a coach. He has benefited from the work of others. Yelling and screaming at players may work for a period, but players change and tire of that crap but Stuart can't. And that's what makes him a poor coach.

Chook.

[Kramer]

Who cares, he's a waste of space.

[Guest]

You have blinkers on!!

Stuart couldn't coach another so called halfback in Finch to win a GF? Not much of a coach.

Huh? Isn't it a team game? how can a halfback on his own win a GF?

[Guest]

how can a halfback on his own win a GF?

Andrew Johns?

[theGman]

Huh? Isn't it a team game? how can a halfback on his own win a GF?

Elbows,
with all due respect you're starting to sound like one of them journo germs who troll this forum.
Ricky has always been a hard marker when it comes to half-backs "owning the game ". He himself has been quoted as saying something like, in his opinion the number 7 is the most responsible player as far as determining the outcome of a game. With this belief, he has tried & gone through heaps of half-backs at each of the clubs he has coached.

[Big Poppa Pump]

No, he didn't. why would he, when Soward played first grade under Stuart in 2006?

I watched him play Soward at fullback against the Warriors at the SFS.

It was almost as woeful as seeing Anasta at fullback last year.

[Guest]

good riddance, i wont have to listen to him bitch and make excuses after every sharks game.....

[Juggler]

good riddance, i wont have to listen to him bitch and make excuses after every sharks game.....

no. just after every tigers game.

or souffs. Man, that would take blaming the ref to a whole new level.

[Juggler]

He is a smart man, especially RL wise. Maybe more so on the field than off , but smart none the less.
What makes him a poor coach is his people skills.
This is why the Roosters struggled when Cartwright left, he has good people skills and was the buffer that Ricky needs.

At the Roosters in 2002, he inherited a team that Gould and then Murray built. There was Carty, Pay/Lance & later Cleary as assistants.

And look at the players - Fittler, Wing, Ricko, Cross, Fitzy, Phillips, Mini at his peak, Mullins, Bonetti & Yak. Some of them are once in a lifetime.

He promised the world for Cronulla & gave them squat. His retention decisions sucked. He is not a good long term coach.

[crikey chris]

Elbows,
with all due respect you're starting to sound like one of them journo germs who troll this forum.
Ricky has always been a hard marker when it comes to half-backs "owning the game ". He himself has been quoted as saying something like, in his opinion the number 7 is the most responsible player as far as determining the outcome of a game. With this belief, he has tried & gone through heaps of half-backs at each of the clubs he has coached.

So, in his coaching career so far, has any player in the halves benefited by being coached by him? Has any player improved?

Lets go through some names that have played in the halves in the Stuart era:

Josh Lewis
Jamie Soward
Craig Wing
Brett Finch
Anthony Watts
Joe Williams
Paul Green
Brett Firman
Grant Rovelli
Luke Dorn
Sam Obst
Justin Holbrook

Ok, some were really shit, but if he could coach as good as he could play, more players would have improved under his guidence. He inherited the side in 2002 via Gus & Muzz.

After his first season the players were head-cases. Same at the Sharks. He could get them up in the first season, but mentally the players were ****ed. If he was that good as a coach, the Sharks would not be where they are now.

Yes 2002 will always be special, but he got it by default. I feel sorry for the Tigers if he ends up there.

Cry me a river Ricky, you overrated angry ant.


Crikey.

[Guest]

I watched him play Soward at fullback against the Warriors at the SFS.

It was almost as woeful as seeing Anasta at fullback last year.

Sure. But the other poster claimed Stuart said Soward would never play first grade - a patently absurd statement given that Soward played first grade under Stuart in 2006 - at fullback, and at half.

[Guest]

At the Roosters in 2002, he inherited a team that Gould and then Murray built. There was Carty, Pay/Lance & later Cleary as assistants.

And look at the players - Fittler, Wing, Ricko, Cross, Fitzy, Phillips, Mini at his peak, Mullins, Bonetti & Yak. Some of them are once in a lifetime.

Ok, where do you draw the line? when CAN a coach be given credit for winning a premiership? what about Jack Gibson in 1974? Did he inherit a team containing Beetson, Mullins, Coote, Walters, Harris, Brass and co? Or what about Wayne Bennett at the Broncos - he inherited a state of origin strength team, right?

with this in mind, can a coach EVER be given credit for winning a premiership?

I prefer to look at the Roosters performances in 2001 (with the same squad, minus Mullins), and then compare it to 2002,3,4. Fittler says in his book that he credits Stuart with revitalising his career, after he almost gave it away.
What does that tell you? it means without Stuart there would have been no premiership.

Stuart has his faults and his problems. but its pure stupidity to throw around these blanket criticisms like "can't coach", "idiot", "useless" etc.

[The Brain]

Sure. But the other poster claimed Stuart said Soward would never play first grade - a patently absurd statement given that Soward played first grade under Stuart in 2006 - at fullback, and at half.

lol ....and hooker