Ricky Stuart quits the Sharks.

[Headless Chook]

What about the Roosters?

We didn't give him the bucks he wanted 2 years ago, why would we change now that his value would be even less. I don't think he's played a decent game since he left us.

[Guest]

Can;t wait to see the smug Gould spew vitriol all over tomozs telecrap

[Vasco]

We didn't give him the bucks he wanted 2 years ago, why would we change now that his value would be even less. I don't think he's played a decent game since he left us.

I don't think he's coached to play how he should be.

He is better coming off the bench and attacking the fringes, not run out wide or up the middle.

Ricky Stuart has been his downfall.

[novice chook]

I don't think he's coached to play how he should be.

He is better coming off the bench and attacking the fringes, not run out wide or up the middle.

Ricky Stuart has been his downfall.

Sticky wasn't Toops downfall - money was. Pure and simple.

Sure Sticky and the Sharks offered him the money, but Toops was the one that took it. He knew what he was getting in having Sticky as coach.

I wouldn't have Toops back - you could find a bloke who does what he does at a fraction of the price he'd be looking for.

As for Sticky - who gives a rats what he does, so long as he doesn't turn up back at the Chooks. The bloke has always been more politican than coach in my view. Always been able to spin a yarn and an excuse and spindoctor a situation. Unfortunately that generally doesn't help a team win footy games.


NC

[Cockadoodledoo]

Sticky wasn't Toops downfall - money was. Pure and simple.

Sure Sticky and the Sharks offered him the money, but Toops was the one that took it. He knew what he was getting in having Sticky as coach.

I wouldn't have Toops back - you could find a bloke who does what he does at a fraction of the price he'd be looking for.

As for Sticky - who gives a rats what he does, so long as he doesn't turn up back at the Chooks. The bloke has always been more politican than coach in my view. Always been able to spin a yarn and an excuse and spindoctor a situation. Unfortunately that generally doesn't help a team win footy games.


NC

He thought he was getting a Kangaroo jumper. I agree though that he is damaged goods now.. Should have been the best forward in the comp but alongside his coaches, could never work out how to do so.

[Guest]

lol ....and hooker

I don't remember that. I do remember Finch playing hooker while Soward was at half.

[Guest]

Are you really that stupid or just being deliberately retarded?

You know damn well what I mean. Stuart, as an ex GF winning halfback, had two opportunities to "coach" Finch to win a GF and he failed, twice! You can leave you blinkers on and ignore that fact if you want, but it'll confirm you have no idea what you're talking about.

Chook.

you need to accept that it's a team game.

[Guest]

Jack backed it up in 1975, then with Parramatta in 1981, 82 & 83. Stuart should have won two premierships at the least with us. His poor bench rotation contributed to both our losses in 03 & 04 and his player recruitment and retention strategies left us as a club with a 1000 back rowers and no front rowers when Anderson took over. Ricky was a very good coach for us at the time, but I think he's been shown to be a limited mentor over the long term.

yes, Jack backed it up at Parramatta where he "inherited" Sterling, Kenny, Cronin, Kenny, Grothe etc. You see how silly the argument is?

"Stuart should have won two premierships" with us. i really don't know what to make of a statement like that. What does it mean? does it mean we were favourites and "should" have won? Does it mean because we are Easts supporters we should have won? If we had won, the Penrith and Canterbury supporters would be writing on their forums, "well, we should have won those grand finals".

His poor bench rotation. Poor in whose opinion? you know more than the coach? I've seen exactly the same accusations against the three coaches who have followed Stuart. "he didn't use the bench properly". everyone's an expert.

We lost in 2003 because we just weren't up to it on the night. we played our grand final the week before against Canterbury. Mentally, we were spent. It didn't help, also, that Freddie couldn't pass the ball because of his shoulder problem, which was much, much worse than was let on. The greasy conditions handicapped our rushing defence. Penrith played out of their skins. All of these things were factors.

But no, we lost because Ricky Stuart didn't utilise his bench properly.

[Guest]

you need to accept that it's a team game.

Deliberately retarded then, fair enough, long as I know.

Chook.

[Juggler]

Jack backed it up in 1975, then with Parramatta in 1981, 82 & 83. Stuart should have won two premierships at the least with us. His poor bench rotation contributed to both our losses in 03 & 04 and his player recruitment and retention strategies left us as a club with a 1000 back rowers and no front rowers when Anderson took over. Ricky was a very good coach for us at the time, but I think he's been shown to be a limited mentor over the long term.

The point i was going to make in response to Elbows' criticism of my original post. Thank you!

[Juggler]

yes, Jack backed it up at Parramatta where he "inherited" Sterling, Kenny, Cronin, Kenny, Grothe etc. You see how silly the argument is?

"Stuart should have won two premierships" with us. i really don't know what to make of a statement like that. What does it mean? does it mean we were favourites and "should" have won? Does it mean because we are Easts supporters we should have won? If we had won, the Penrith and Canterbury supporters would be writing on their forums, "well, we should have won those grand finals".

His poor bench rotation. Poor in whose opinion? you know more than the coach? I've seen exactly the same accusations against the three coaches who have followed Stuart. "he didn't use the bench properly". everyone's an expert.

We lost in 2003 because we just weren't up to it on the night. we played our grand final the week before against Canterbury. Mentally, we were spent. It didn't help, also, that Freddie couldn't pass the ball because of his shoulder problem, which was much, much worse than was let on. The greasy conditions handicapped our rushing defence. Penrith played out of their skins. All of these things were factors.

But no, we lost because Ricky Stuart didn't utilise his bench properly.

No what we are trying to get through to you is that if Stuart is half as good as you think he is, we would have won more than one premiership. I can't quite remember what Parra's record was in 79 & 80. And quite frankly I don't care. Even if Gibson did inherit that team, he did take them to three premierships - there were no 'we played our GF the week before' or 'Sterlo's shoulder was crap' or 'it rained'. And why, FFS would the Dogs & Riff be thinking we should have won those GFs? It's about as smart as trying to say we should have won in 2000.

Poor bench rotation in many peoples opinions - can we not express one? I seem to remember that there was little in the way of impact off the bench at the time. I remember an incredibly uninterested performance by Hodges in 04 - he made some of last years efforts look 5 star. I don't recall accusations of improper bench use against his successors.

If he is that good a coach, he would have had more success. That's the point. A good coach overcomes his side's limitations repeatedly.

Its not just the bench, its a combination of things.

[Guest]

No what we are trying to get through to you is that if Stuart is half as good as you think he is, we would have won more than one premiership. .

You think the coach can play the game for the players? Ricky Stuart was good enough to get us to the grand final in 2003 and 2004 - when we were nearly invincible - but he suddenly lost that ability on grand final day?

We lost those two games because we weren't good enough on the night.

Nothing to do with the coach. He can't play the game for them.

It's amusing to me how the blame for those defeats gets shifted around. Back then, Gould was blamed for interfering with Ricky's game plans. A bit later, Ricky fell out of favour, and he became the cause of the defeats. Then it was Finch's turn to be blamed. a bit later it was Hodges and Walker. Oh and Todd Byrne gets a run too - he cost us in 2003. it's a fascinating merry-go-round. Maybe eventually it will go full circle and Gus will be blamed again?

[Juggler]

You think the coach can play the game for the players? Ricky Stuart was good enough to get us to the grand final in 2003 and 2004 - when we were nearly invincible - but he suddenly lost that ability on grand final day?

We lost those two games because we weren't good enough on the night.

Nothing to do with the coach. He can't play the game for them.

It's amusing to me how the blame for those defeats gets shifted around. Back then, Gould was blamed for interfering with Ricky's game plans. A bit later, Ricky fell out of favour, and he became the cause of the defeats. Then it was Finch's turn to be blamed. a bit later it was Hodges and Walker. Oh and Todd Byrne gets a run too - he cost us in 2003. it's a fascinating merry-go-round. Maybe eventually it will go full circle and Gus will be blamed again?

Just what is the coach supposed to do? I know he doesn't play the game but it is his job to motivate, to construct game plans, etc.

And no. I don't blame Toddy Byrne or even Chris Walker. Or even Finch.

Stuart is not blameless as you seem to think he is.

[Guest]

Just what is the coach supposed to do? I know he doesn't play the game but it is his job to motivate, to construct game plans, etc.

And no. I don't blame Toddy Byrne or even Chris Walker. Or even Finch.

Stuart is not blameless as you seem to think he is.

Based on your assessment WTF are we doing with Smith as our coach. He is a specialist at GF losses

[Juggler]

Based on your assessment WTF are we doing with Smith as our coach. He is a specialist at GF losses

So. Who else was available that would have been better than smith? Esp considering our well-documented problems of last year.