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  • Gould VS Stuart

    No holding back here:

    Thanks for thinking of me, Ricky, but I have better things to do
    Phil Gould | April 26, 2009


    Dear Ricky, perhaps you misunderstood my comments during the week about your predicament at Cronulla.

    Your invitation to have me come to training and talk to your players about attacking football is quite flattering, however, I didn't actually offer you any assistance.

    First, I'm retired.

    Second, even if I were motivated to coach, you'd be the last person I'd help.

    To be honest Ricky, you are the most pig-headed and ungrateful person I've met in football. I discontinued my association with you four years ago because I could no longer tolerate your petulance.

    As for your childish comments I somehow cost you your position at the Roosters 18 months later, perhaps my lawyers should ask you to explain that rubbish in court. People are sick of your continually trying to rewrite history. These feeble attempts to erase the real factors behind your sacking and blame others for your demise are embarrassing.

    Football clubs don't terminate coaching contracts lightly. Managements agonise over such decisions for months. History will show your team was underperforming and you'd lost the confidence of those who count. End of story.

    Sure it hurts, but there's no shame in being sacked. We all get sacked. That's part of being a coach.

    Remember, Ricky, two coaches had to be sacked to provide employment for you at the Roosters and Sharks.

    Stuart Raper must be scratching his head at why he was removed to make way for you, given your current position on the premiership ladder. Do you ever spare a thought for him?

    It's time you stop this ridiculous charade of being hard done by.

    Roosters management did you a favour terminating your contract. It provided you with a perfect opportunity to start afresh at another club and save your reputation. Meanwhile, your replacement, Chris Anderson, had to come in and try to mop up the mess you left behind. Sadly, the enormity of the task cost him his health and his job.

    You should also note, Ricky, that I didn't make these latest comments about your coaching in the normal course of my work with Channel Nine or my newspaper columns.

    I was asked for comment by a journalist from The Daily Telegraph. This is the organisation for which you work. Perhaps you should be directing your dummy spit at that newspaper and asking why it pursued me for comment, given I have no relationship with your employer whatsoever.

    The journalist who contacted me said it was about time someone questioned your performance at the Sharks. He highlighted the fact that your Sharks started this season as third favourites to win the comp but are now favoured for the wooden spoon.

    He noted the Sharks scored fewer tries than any other team last season. He watched a weakened Melbourne beat the Sharks 26-0 in the preliminary final last year. Only a week later, Manly thrashed the Storm 40-0. The Sea Eagles obviously knew how to attack them. He'd witnessed your Australian team, full of the most talented players in this country, lose the World Cup final on home soil to an under-strength New Zealand.

    He mentioned your purchase of four new players this season - three of them internationals - to bolster your team's attacking potency.

    He noted you had released players such as Brett Kimmorley (Bulldogs) and Isaac De Gois (Knights) to make way for these purchases.

    I guess we've all noticed their outstanding form for their new clubs and, in particular, what creative attacking players they've proven to be.

    The journalist asked me if you should be under pressure to lose your position. I got the distinct impression your own newspaper was about to recommend your sacking. My reply was simple. "No. He can coach. He just needs some help. He's always needed help."

    I've made similar comments about several young coaches over the years, but none of them reacted the way you did. Did I touch a nerve?

    I'm in a position to make these comments because I know your style of coaching better than anyone.

    In your time at the Roosters you received plenty of quality assistance. Certainly more than you've ever acknowledged.

    Assistant coaches such as Dean Pay, John Cartwright and Ivan Cleary were tremendous.

    Both Cleary and Pay won lower-grade competitions with the club. Cleary and Cartwright are now outstanding coaches at the NRL level with the Warriors and Titans respectively.

    These people contributed enormously to your success and the success of the Roosters.

    My comments this week merely suggested you've always relied heavily on the contributions of others and perhaps you should seek similar assistance to help the Sharks' players realise their full attacking potential. Perhaps I'm guilty of expressing the bleeding obvious.

    Your emotional reactions to my rather tame comments this week speak a thousand words. Is there something you don't want people to know?

    In the end, The Daily Telegraph journalist made a very compelling argument; however, I suggested the Sharks' problems could be rectified without sacking the head coach.

    During your time at the Roosters I continually praised your work ethic and promoted your coaching ability to the public.

    I was also instrumental in your securing coveted positions such as the NSW State of Origin and Australian coaching jobs. I made strong recommendations on your behalf.

    It was unfortunate you lost the prestigious position of Australian coach due to your temper and inability to accept responsibility for your own losses; but, to be honest, this came as no surprise.

    If it makes you feel any better, Ricky, you are a better coach than I ever was - but that doesn't mean very much.

    You have a quality team there at the Sharks. There are also plenty of knowledgeable people around who can assist you. I expect things to turn for the better soon.

    In the meantime, trust your players. Help them build confidence in their own ability. Don't read the papers.

    Other than that Ricky, I have no advice for you.

  • #2
    I am not a fn of either man.
    But Gould has really proven (again) what a spoilt little brat of a wanker he is.
    He is still pissed off that Stuart got a premiership with the Roosters and he didn't
    The Internet is a place for posting silly things
    Try and be serious and you will look stupid
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    • #3
      No need to read between the lines there....bitter and nasty. Wilson and Rothfield will NOT like this....

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      • #4
        While gould may seem lke a spoilt brat, bitter or nasty, can anyone say he is wrong?

        I mean honestly, can anyone say that gould is wrong on how he describes stuart as a coach?

        look at it this way, the gould and stuart partnership got the 2002 premiership, we can make no bones about that, with gould hone on 2003.........stuart was lost and always looked for excuses.

        We saw that again with the australian team and his blow up at klein and we can now see that with his performances with the sharks.

        this is going to be one hell of a tit for tat fude thats for sure !!!!!

        Delecto Oriens est odio Meridianus
        To love Easts is to hate Souffs

        Originally posted by Bill Shankley, Liverpool FC
        At a football club, there’s a holy trinity – the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques.
        Originally posted by Andy Raymond Commentating Souffs V Manly 18/04/09
        The fireworks at the Easter show are making more noise than the crowd tonight

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        • #5
          Mario I don't believe it was Gould's presence that got us over the line in 2002, it was the other ones like Cartwright and Pay, the ones that placed a buffer beteen the players and Stuarts poor people management skills.

          If Gould really contributed anything to 2002 he would not be as bitter.
          The Internet is a place for posting silly things
          Try and be serious and you will look stupid
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kingbilly View Post
            Mario I don't believe it was Gould's presence that got us over the line in 2002, it was the other ones like Cartwright and Pay, the ones that placed a buffer beteen the players and Stuarts poor people management skills.

            If Gould really contributed anything to 2002 he would not be as bitter.
            point taken, but it is clear that stuart has problems that he does not belive he has.

            gould is outlining them, in a spoilt brat sort of way

            Delecto Oriens est odio Meridianus
            To love Easts is to hate Souffs

            Originally posted by Bill Shankley, Liverpool FC
            At a football club, there’s a holy trinity – the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques.
            Originally posted by Andy Raymond Commentating Souffs V Manly 18/04/09
            The fireworks at the Easter show are making more noise than the crowd tonight

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            • #7
              Mario, def Stuart has problems (and so does Gould).
              But it was those guys like Cartwright etc that kept those problems at a managable distance from the players and Gould is right in the aspect that Stuart needs these sort of guys with him. But I guess they find it hard to last that long with him
              The Internet is a place for posting silly things
              Try and be serious and you will look stupid
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              • #8
                Fark pRicky and his teflon image.

                For too long that carnt has hidden behind his lapdogs at the Tellucrapp. Theyve covered for his many mistakes and gone into bat for him against Gus and his many knockers.

                Sure Gus is being childish. Hes still 100% right and he knows what really went on at the club.

                These carnts have used Gus as their scapegoat since SL now, hiding their own shortcomings and continually taking pot shots against the only dissending voice trying to keep the bastards honest. At least his rhetoric I can cop, hes out there but hes farking a lover of the game 1st.

                He is happy with his efforts as a coach and player at all levels. He has nothing left to prove.

                Many are still struggling to make their livings of real League people like Gus. Farrrrrrk them all.



                The FlogPen .

                You know it makes sense.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by stsae View Post
                  Fark pRicky and his teflon image.

                  For too long that carnt has hidden behind his lapdogs at the Tellucrapp. Theyve covered for his many mistakes and gone into bat for him against Gus and his many knockers.

                  Sure Gus is being childish. Hes still 100% right and he knows what really went on at the club.

                  These carnts have used Gus as their scapegoat since SL now, hiding their own shortcomings and continually taking pot shots against the only dissending voice trying to keep the bastards honest. At least his rhetoric I can cop, hes out there but hes farking a lover of the game 1st.

                  He is happy with his efforts as a coach and player at all levels. He has nothing left to prove.

                  Many are still struggling to make their livings of real League people like Gus. Farrrrrrk them all.
                  Yeah what he said !!!!

                  What a spay though

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Billy Gunn View Post
                    Yeah what he said !!!!

                    What a spay though
                    Now we have to wait until sunday for Burbon Beckky's lame attempt at a retort !!!


                    MMmmmm Torte !!!

                    Delecto Oriens est odio Meridianus
                    To love Easts is to hate Souffs

                    Originally posted by Bill Shankley, Liverpool FC
                    At a football club, there’s a holy trinity – the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques.
                    Originally posted by Andy Raymond Commentating Souffs V Manly 18/04/09
                    The fireworks at the Easter show are making more noise than the crowd tonight

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                    • #11
                      I expected something from Sticky by now.....maybe he knows there is no use defending the undefendable

                      I agree with a lot of others who rightly point out that Gus is an egomaniac of the highest order but with most of his rants there is an element of truth.

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                      • #12
                        How about half time entertainment on saturday night at shark Park !!!

                        Bring a blow up boxing ring, dress gould and stuart up in those blow up sumo suits and let them go at it !!!!!

                        Delecto Oriens est odio Meridianus
                        To love Easts is to hate Souffs

                        Originally posted by Bill Shankley, Liverpool FC
                        At a football club, there’s a holy trinity – the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques.
                        Originally posted by Andy Raymond Commentating Souffs V Manly 18/04/09
                        The fireworks at the Easter show are making more noise than the crowd tonight

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by stsae View Post
                          He is happy with his efforts as a coach and player at all levels. He has nothing left to prove.
                          Then why act like an effing idiot all the time.

                          Originally posted by stsae View Post
                          Farrrrrrk them all.
                          Thats one thing I agree with !!
                          The Internet is a place for posting silly things
                          Try and be serious and you will look stupid
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kingbilly View Post
                            Then why act like an effing idiot all the time.



                            Thats one thing I agree with !!
                            No doubt mate, Gus the commentator is a fool. He acts like a dildo with energiser batteries, hes a buzzard.

                            But coaching wise pRicky couldnt lick Gus' boots. Other than Waynekerr theres Gus and daylight IMO when it comes to coaches since the 70s.

                            The rumble still makes me .

                            See today that arseclown Rothgibber is doing his blog on it. That would be like dumbo discussing dumb and dumber the soap opera. What a great contributor the tellucrapp is to our game.



                            The FlogPen .

                            You know it makes sense.

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                            • #15
                              I don't often say too much on here as there its generally a lot of hot air BUT..
                              When Gus speaks you listen..For all his vitriol and over zealous commentary, its columns like this one where you actually know and get to understand that he really does have to offer. I am a HUGE fan of Gus', in fact I always have been. You could do a lot worse than actually digest what he has to say because there is ALWAYS substance to it.

                              LONG LIVE GUS

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