Tinkler walks away from Knights

[Billy Gunn]

Yes mate, agreed. However, the point is Newcastle are in financial ruin. This man can save them.

At what cost? No doubt you have heard about Tinklers form in the racing industry he will be picking the team each week and running training drills.

[Guest]

I know I wouldn't like a guy like Tinkler owning my team, he will be more hands on than Rusty, he is already buying players for a team he has no financial interest

We have a guy like Tinkler running our club..Just nowhere near as rich..

Buying players for a team he has no financial interest in seems like he is already doing the club a favour..Surely you aren't saying Snowden & Idris would add nothing to the team..

And the assumption that he would be more hands on than Phonechuker is just that...An assumption...Tinkler would be way too busy running his Billion dollar group of companies,to go down to training to tell Mad Dog what lines to run..

[Billy Gunn]

We are not in financial ruin.

We are technically privatised however.

The structure is:

Easts Group (board of directors includes Politis who is chairman, Bouris and David Gyngell).

Easts Group has 4 entities under it's umbrella - Narellan Sports Club, Kingswood Sports Club, Waverley Sports Club, Easts Leagues Club.

I would assume the ESDRLFC is also under the umbrella but is a not for profit entity, so it doesn't pay tax.

Around the start of the super league war in 1995, the consitution of the ESDRLFC was changed and thus there are only about 500 members of the football club.

Those members are a small but elite group, unlike Souffs which technically is now like AFL clubs whereby members get a vote at the AGM each year and the direction of the club. So Souffs' 17,000 members have one vote each.

Easts Group is a private group.

I would much prefer that system ever though it is private, you only have to look at Parramatta to see what happens when you let all members vote.

[Vasco]

At what cost? No doubt you have heard about Tinklers form in the racing industry he will be picking the team each week and running training drills.

I know people that work within his racing and breeding business.

He is not like that at all.

Every bit of bad press you read from him early on was usually directed from old cronies on race club boards or breeding factions that didn't want to change anything. Much like this situation.

He has people working for him who make the calls. At the end of the day it's his own business so he has a right to influence decisions.

He certainly doesn't tell his trainers what races to put his horses in or how to train them. I know that for a fact.

Sure, he might question a choice of jockey or the riding tactics. As an owner he has every right to do so. I've done it myself!!!

[Billy Gunn]

I know people that work within his racing and breeding business.

He is not like that at all.

Every bit of bad press you read from him early on was usually directed from old cronies on race club boards or breeding factions that didn't want to change anything. Much like this situation.

He has people working for him who make the calls. At the end of the day it's his own business so he has a right to influence decisions.

He certainly doesn't tell his trainers what races to put his horses in or how to train them. I know that for a fact.

Sure, he might question a choice of jockey or the riding tactics. As an owner he has every right to do so. I've done it myself!!!

fair enough I take your word on it, I had heard he was a very tough bloke to work for who turned over plenty of staff because of it.

[Guest]

I know people that work within his racing and breeding business.

He is not like that at all.

Every bit of bad press you read from him early on was usually directed from old cronies on race club boards or breeding factions that didn't want to change anything. Much like this situation.

He has people working for him who make the calls. At the end of the day it's his own business so he has a right to influence decisions.

He certainly doesn't tell his trainers what races to put his horses in or how to train them. I know that for a fact.

Sure, he might question a choice of jockey or the riding tactics. As an owner he has every right to do so. I've done it myself!!!

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horserac...0402-rjrh.html

[Vasco]

fair enough I take your word on it, I had heard he was a very tough bloke to work for who turned over plenty of staff because of it.

It has settled down a lot since those early days.

To be honest, I was surprised someone like Mick Price trained that long for him. Would have been some serious clashes there.

I think his mining business is too big now for him to worry about the little things within his racing and breeding empire.

[Vasco]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horserac...0402-rjrh.html

Read my last post.

[Headless Chook]

I know people that work within his racing and breeding business.

He is not like that at all.

Every bit of bad press you read from him early on was usually directed from old cronies on race club boards or breeding factions that didn't want to change anything. Much like this situation.

He has people working for him who make the calls. At the end of the day it's his own business so he has a right to influence decisions.

He certainly doesn't tell his trainers what races to put his horses in or how to train them. I know that for a fact.

Sure, he might question a choice of jockey or the riding tactics. As an owner he has every right to do so. I've done it myself!!!

No he just fires them instead!

[Guest]

Congrats to the Knights board. The deal was starting to stink, Tinkler was trying to rush them into it. Petulant man-child who throws his toys out of the cot when he doesn't get what he wants immediately, couldn't even wait til Monday afternoon to discuss their issues with the deal.

Mind you, he will get the Knights. the media are already running a pro-Tinkler campaign to have the board ousted, and the idiots blinded by dollar signs are lapping it up. Tinkler will get the Knights and it will be for even cheaper than Rusty got souffs.

If the last week is any indication of how he does business (the Snowden thing, he doesn't even own the club yet ffs) the NRL is better off without him...

[Rocky Rhodes]

That's a very Souff Sydney-like statement there.

Since their last premiership they have constantly struggled financially. Even during their "glory days" it was covered up by the great Andrew Johns and his ability to carry his team.

Since his departure the club has gone downhill rapidly, with crowds no longer what they were and the club struggling financially more than ever.

As for your comment on the dangers of corporate ownership...

Where would Souffs be without Crowe?

Where would Manly have ended up without Delmege?

How strong would the Wests Tigers be without Triguboff?

Dare I say it, where would the Roosters be without Politis, Bouris, Gyngell, McGuinness and co?

Tinkler, fat or not, wants to make the Newcastle region a sporting giant. Why not?

The Newcastle Jets were gone until he came in. Now they are moving forward and have just signed one of the A League's best players. They will continue to attract good players from now on.

The people jumping up and down calling Tinkler a "fat pr!ck" etc have no understanding of the mechanics of running a business. Much like the people running the Newcastle Knights.

Time to get the head out of the sand and realise that he can only be good for the Knights.

Oh pleaseee!!!! Spare us the BS mate.

That's a very Souff Sydney-like statement there.

You are the one who supports multi-millionaires owning clubs eg crowe, tinkler and you are trying to tell me my opinion is Souffs like lol

Since his departure the club has gone downhill rapidly, with crowds no longer what they were and the club struggling financially more than ever.

Absolute BS. Newcastle fans turn up regardless of where their team is coming, one of the things most would admire about that club. They came last in 2005 yet still had good attendance. Their finance situation is nowhere as bad as the telecrap makes out. There was no talk of major finance problems until the tinkler offer came about. Funny that....are you blind that you can't see a agenda. Are you brainwashed by the telecrap....

Where would Souffs be without Crowe?

Better off. Gee they have been a rageing success since the takeover.

How strong would the Wests Tigers be without Triguboff?

Dare I say it, where would the Roosters be without Politis, Bouris, Gyngell, McGuinness and co?

Sponsors of a club are not the owners. The Tigers and Roosters are not private clubs...don't make up BS to suit your agenda

Tinkler, fat or not, wants to make the Newcastle region a sporting giant.

Tinkler wants to make tinkler a sporting giant. He doesn't love the knights, tinkler loves $$$$$$ and his next lobster.

The Newcastle Jets were gone until he came in. Now they are moving forward and have just signed one of the A League's best players. They will continue to attract good players from now on.

An opinion based on no facts.

The people jumping up and down calling Tinkler a "fat pr!ck" etc have no understanding of the mechanics of running a business. Much like the people running the Newcastle Knights.

You don't know the difference between a sponsor and owner yet you think you understand business lol

[Rocky Rhodes]

our uncle nick is so low key in comparison!

There is no comparison between Nick and Tinkler. Nick is/was a sponsor of our club. He put his own hard earned $$$ towards the club without expecting profits in return. Tinkler wants to own the club for his own $$$ benefit. If he loves the club he will sponsor them.

[Vasco]

Tinkler wants to own the club for his own $$$ benefit.

Is that not an opinion based on no facts?

Talk about hypocrisy.

LOL

As for Souffs, we all hate them but off the field they are doing pretty well. You cannot deny that.

[Rocky Rhodes]

We are not in financial ruin.

We are technically privatised however.

The structure is:

Easts Group (board of directors includes Politis who is chairman, Bouris and David Gyngell).

Easts Group has 4 entities under it's umbrella - Narellan Sports Club, Kingswood Sports Club, Waverley Sports Club, Easts Leagues Club.

I would assume the ESDRLFC is also under the umbrella but is a not for profit entity, so it doesn't pay tax.

Around the start of the super league war in 1995, the consitution of the ESDRLFC was changed and thus there are only about 500 members of the football club.

Those members are a small but elite group, unlike Souffs which technically is now like AFL clubs whereby members get a vote at the AGM each year and the direction of the club. So Souffs' 17,000 members have one vote each.

Easts Group is a private group.

We has a debt of 23 million yet there is no problem.

Newcastle have a debt of only 4 million. Very managable.

We are technically privatised however.

We are not privatised. If we are please tell us our share price.

There is no technically privatised, either you are privatised or not. It's like saying you are almost pregnant.

[Vasco]

The Tigers and Roosters are not private clubs...don't make up BS to suit your agenda

I've already given my breakdown of the way the Roosters Football club is structured.

Based on "facts". Just how you like it.