Bulldogs and the salary cap

[TheLoneRooster]

So now they'll have 2 blokes who'll make 150+ metres and 25+ tackles a game...

Shock horror! We have none.

This made me laugh.

On topic though, I feel the CBBs are not stupid enough to do anything that would cause a repeat of 2002. If they and the merge scum stain are able to flatten their wage structure to ensure a more even spread of talent, then perhaps Roosters management could take note.

[Guest]

Graham isn't that good.

[bondi-boy]

I just found out now to my shock they signed Graham, the english capt for 2012....is this a ****ing joke? How can that squad possibly be under the cap??? I compare that team to ours and it makes me a sad panda

2012

Idris is leaving...maybe other players won't be there either.

Perrett...international...commands a certain amount of contract money.

Ditto SKD, T Carney, Myles, Mini etc etc etc

Tricky the salary cap.

Hopefully the NRL will be doing better cap policing than they were when Melb was rorting the system.

Gasnier at the Dragons last year...Dragons won the comp.
That 'rort' thing should be stopped.
The cap must be policed for each year only.

Points or 'market price' is the best system.

Each player valued.

5 points for an international...Lockyer goes down on the cap as 5 points.

4 points ...Origin player.

3 points ... rep player City v Country

2 points...established first grade player

1 point .....rookie ...first grade/reserve grade.


or a dollar value, then NRL/clubs agree on a cap points or dollar limit.

No exceptions.

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[Spanner in the works]

So now they'll have 2 blokes who'll make 150+ metres and 25+ tackles a game...

Shock horror! We have none.

And apparently Graham isn't that good. Despite him shitting all over Burgess and Ellis when the three of them were in the ESL together...

Don't know what more people want from him. 150+ metres and 25+ tackles a game is massive. In 2007, Graham 2815 metres. Neither Burgess and Ellis were listed. In 2008, Burgess made 2650 metres. Graham made 3774 metres. In 2009 Burgess made 2922 metres. Graham made 4582. The stats alone speak for themselves.

[Guest]

The Bulldogs rely heavily on 3rd party payments, Todd Greenburg is a clever dude and he knows that 3rd party payments don’t come under the cap this year!

[Pass the Ball]

Points or 'market price' is the best system.

Each player valued.

5 points for an international...Lockyer goes down on the cap as 5 points.

4 points ...Origin player.

3 points ... rep player City v Country

2 points...established first grade player

1 point .....rookie ...first grade/reserve grade.


or a dollar value, then NRL/clubs agree on a cap points or dollar limit.

No exceptions.

.

Ridiculous idea..

Players are worth different amounts to different clubs.

What if your rookie makes origin - You would suddenly be over the cap points by 3...

[Guest]

The easiest and fairest way to spread talent is to have a draft.

[Rooster_6]

So now they'll have 2 blokes who'll make 150+ metres and 25+ tackles a game...

Shock horror! We have none.

Taking 40-50 hitups to do so. A good prop like Graham or Tolman needs to be complimented by a power player. Watch how much ball Eastwood & Pritchard get next year, what a waste...

[Pass the Ball]

You need to re-think this idea of having 2 great props is a bad idea...

[Rooster_6]

You need to re-think this idea of having 2 great props is a bad idea...

Having 2 props who need to take a lot of hitups to make decent metres isn't a good idea.

Both great players in their own right but put a pairing of them??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns

[Spanner in the works]

Taking 40-50 hitups to do so. A good prop like Graham or Tolman needs to be complimented by a power player. Watch how much ball Eastwood & Pritchard get next year, what a waste...

Well actually:

Tolman:
R7:
24 runs for 194 metres and 36 tackles - 0 errors and 0 penalties

R6:
19 runs for 145 metres and 32 tackles - 0 errors and 1 penalty

R5:
15 runs for 116 metres and 38 tackles - 0 errors and 0 penalties

R4:
20 runs for 174 metres and 30 tackles - 0 errors and 1 penalty

R3:
17 runs for 133 metres and 36 tackles - 0 errors and 0 penalties

R2:
26 runs for 176 metres and 28 tackles - 0 errors and 1 penalty

R1:
20 runs for 171 metres and 40 tackles - 0 errors and 0 penalties

Hardly 40-50 runs is it?

And Graham in 2009 made 636 runs for his 4582 metres at 7.2 metres per run. Divide 4582 metres by the 27 rounds they play, and it works out to an average of 169 metres per game. Divide that by the average 7.2 metres per run and it works out he needed approximately 23.5 runs to make 169 metres.

In 2008, it was 531 runs for 3774 metres for an average 7.1 metres per run. Divide 3774 by 27 rounds and it works out he made an average of 139 metres per game (approximately). Divide 139 metres per game by the 7.1 metres per run and it takes him 19.68 runs per game to make that 139 metres.

And that's assuming he played every game those years. Which he didn't. He made 24 appearances both years. Want me to debunk your myth again? There's lies, damn lies and statistics.

[Pass the Ball]

The zero errors and only 3 penalties is what rounds out Tolmans stats perfectly..

[Cockadoodledoo]

Having 2 props who need to take a lot of hitups to make decent metres isn't a good idea.

Both great players in their own right but put a pairing of them??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns

That gets balanced out when they don't make many errors..

[Pass the Ball]

Having 2 props who need to take a lot of hitups to make decent metres isn't a good idea.

Both great players in their own right but put a pairing of them??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns

Most teams have 4 props in their 17 each week..

Having 2 of the best can not be a bad thing R6..

[Rooster_6]

Well actually:

Tolman:
R7:
24 runs for 194 metres and 36 tackles - 0 errors and 0 penalties

R6:
19 runs for 145 metres and 32 tackles - 0 errors and 1 penalty

R5:
15 runs for 116 metres and 38 tackles - 0 errors and 0 penalties

R4:
20 runs for 174 metres and 30 tackles - 0 errors and 1 penalty

R3:
17 runs for 133 metres and 36 tackles - 0 errors and 0 penalties

R2:
26 runs for 176 metres and 28 tackles - 0 errors and 1 penalty

R1:
20 runs for 171 metres and 40 tackles - 0 errors and 0 penalties

Hardly 40-50 runs is it?

And Graham in 2009 made 636 runs for his 4582 metres at 7.2 metres per run. Divide 4582 metres by the 27 rounds they play, and it works out to an average of 169 metres per game. Divide that by the average 7.2 metres per run and it works out he needed approximately 23.5 runs to make 169 metres.

In 2008, it was 531 runs for 3774 metres for an average 7.1 metres per run. Divide 3774 by 27 rounds and it works out he made an average of 139 metres per game (approximately). Divide 139 metres per game by the 7.1 metres per run and it takes him 19.68 runs per game to make that 139 metres.

And that's assuming he played every game those years. Which he didn't. He made 24 appearances both years. Want me to debunk your myth again? There's lies, damn lies and statistics.

This season;

Tolman
Avg runs - 20
Avg metres - 158

Graham
Avg runs - 22
Avg metres 155


How does that not support my theory that they need 40-50 hitups between them to make 150 metres each? I'm also actually surprised because I was exaggerating.

Their workrate is immense & as PTD mentioned they both have great discipline with ball in hand I just think two similar players is overkill... I'd have been more inclined to give someone like Tapau a run who has the ability to bust tackles and would compliment Tolman perfectly and spend the money elsewhere.