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  • Official View: Refs got Benji try verdict right

    Each week referees co-coaches Stuart Raper and Bill Harrigan answer your most frequently asked questions. This week Harrigan looks at the controversial try awarded to Benji Marshall and why Jharal Yow Yeh’s try against the Warriors was disallowed.

    Overall I thought we had an exceptional week; there is very little to talk about as far as contentious decisions go. The toughest thing now is that Stuart Raper and I have to cut our referees down by half for this week’s games. The four referees going into this weekend are in the prime position to get next week’s preliminary finals.

    Obviously those four referees would have the ideal chance to try to claim a position for the Grand Final on October 2. The standby referees are certainly in there with a chance, if one of the four referees does not perform this weekend.

    WESTS TIGERS v ST GEORGE ILLAWARRA DRAGONS

    Were you happy with the decision to award Benji Marshall a try after it appeared he had dropped it in the lead up play against St George Illawarra on Friday night at ANZ Stadium?

    The decision by video referee Russell Smith was correct. Benji Marshall deliberately dropped the ball in the motion of kicking and while it undoubtedly went wrong, the ball touched his foot so it is deemed a kick. The ball then bounced up to Beau Scott who juggled it, and Benji took the ball off him and went on to score.

    Marshall hadn’t lost control of the ball and then tried to kick it; that would be a knock-on. He deliberately set out to put in a kick, and while it was unconventional, he still got his foot to the ball and thus it was legal.


    BRISBANE BRONCOS v WARRIORS

    What were your thoughts on the decision to disallow the Broncos' first try to Jharal Yow Yeh?

    The video referee deemed that Jharal Yow Yeh had lost the ball - you can see the rotation of the ball under his chest so it was ruled to be a knock-on. The ball rolled underneath Yow Yeh’s body and he had no control of it - it had come away from his body. That is why the try was disallowed.


    MANLY SEA EAGLES v NORTH QUEENSLAND COWBOYS

    Late in the first half Cowboys fullback Matt Bowen was called back for a forward pass that could have led to a try. What did you make of the pass?

    The pass clearly went forward; it was passed one or two metres behind the line and caught a couple of metres in front of the line. We know the ball can move forward over the ground with momentum, but this pass went forward out of the hands. Gavin Badger was in a perfect position to rule on this; he was right in line with it and had no doubt it was forward from the hands.

  • #2
    Benji clearly dropped the ball, even a drop kick requires one to kick the ball as it hits the ground simultaneously. Knock on Benji! The refereeing against the warriors was the worst! Even if they played crap! cowboys and knights weren't good enough!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by beguurk View Post
      Benji clearly dropped the ball, even a drop kick requires one to kick the ball as it hits the ground simultaneously. Knock on Benji! The refereeing against the warriors was the worst! Even if they played crap! cowboys and knights weren't good enough!
      His foot made contact with the ball.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by justjuice1992 View Post
        His foot made contact with the ball.
        Yes it did, a little slow though!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by beguurk View Post
          even a drop kick requires one to kick the ball as it hits the ground simultaneously.
          Sorry begurky my friend but that aint quite right and I would have thought you'd know that
          The Internet is a place for posting silly things
          Try and be serious and you will look stupid
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kingbilly View Post
            Sorry begurky my friend but that aint quite right and I would have thought you'd know that
            I do know what your saying KB but were talking slow mo, even in slow mo Benji was far to slow.

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            • #7
              Marshall was attempting to put a kick through, so its not a knock on. As Harrigan pointed out, had he lost control of the ball then stuck his leg out different story, but he was legitimately trying to put a kick through for Robert Lui

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              • #8
                It was a mistake but it was a try IMO. A fluke but a try. Good to see a close decision going against the Merge Scum.

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                • #9
                  The question was never whether he intended to kick it, it was more a question of if it touched his foot. Harridan offered useless gibberish in explaining the decision. I want to hear how they determined that his foot actually contacted the ball. In my opinion it was the way the ball contacted the ground made it rotate the way it did not contact with benji's foot or shin. I would have been extremely dirty if that call went against the roosters and honestly would have felt extremely lucky if a call like that went our way.

                  Also, does anyone else think it is ridiculous that harrigan even mentions where the ball starts and ends in the Bowen pass??? It makes me think that if he actually gets confused about the rule what chance are the referees that he is supposed to be teaching it to.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by beguurk View Post
                    Benji clearly dropped the ball, even a drop kick requires one to kick the ball as it hits the ground simultaneously. Knock on Benji! The refereeing against the warriors was the worst! Even if they played crap! cowboys and knights weren't good enough!
                    What else would you expect from him.

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                    • #11
                      I'm okay with the decision. He attempted to kick the ball, miskicked it but still made contact.. albeit very light contact.. and performed a drop kick

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                      • #12
                        Does anyone remember Freddy getting away with similar thing during an Origin game?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Yak View Post
                          The question was never whether he intended to kick it, it was more a question of if it touched his foot. Harridan offered useless gibberish in explaining the decision. I want to hear how they determined that his foot actually contacted the ball. In my opinion it was the way the ball contacted the ground made it rotate the way it did not contact with benji's foot or shin. I would have been extremely dirty if that call went against the roosters and honestly would have felt extremely lucky if a call like that went our way.

                          Also, does anyone else think it is ridiculous that harrigan even mentions where the ball starts and ends in the Bowen pass??? It makes me think that if he actually gets confused about the rule what chance are the referees that he is supposed to be teaching it to.
                          Yes it was. Under the rules, if he had dropped it but stuck his foot out it would have been classed as a knock on. The fact he was attempting a kick at the time was very important to the final decision.

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                          • #14
                            I had no problem with the ruling if they are happy he got a touch on the ball before it hit the ground, it was Benji being a*se more than class.

                            My only prob was some commentators saying the ball touched the ground first before he got his foot on the ball, so in effect it was a drop kick ...so then it was ok ? I have a problem with that, because unless it was a genuine attempt at field goal (which it obviously wasn't), then in that case it would have to have been a knock on.
                            I can remember an uproar against our club several years back when Matt Sing put a grubber kick through and we scored .... the media were very critical that the try was allowed because slow mo replay showed Matt's kick just touched the ground before he got foot to ball (in other words his grubber was a drop kick) and we should never have been awarded the try

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by beguurk View Post
                              Benji clearly dropped the ball, even a drop kick requires one to kick the ball as it hits the ground simultaneously. Knock on Benji! The refereeing against the warriors was the worst! Even if they played crap! cowboys and knights weren't good enough!
                              The first time you actually talk about football and you get it wrong

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