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    THE Nine Network has changed its explanation for criticisms that rugby league commentators Ray Warren and Phil Gould made on-air about the proposed poker machine reforms, saying the comments reflected the network's own position.

    When Warren and Gould spoke out against the mooted pre-commitment system for poker machines during the preliminary final last month between Manly and Brisbane, Nine's initial explanation was that the pair were expressing their own views.

    But in the face of an inquiry by the Australian Communications and Media Authority into complaints that Nine did not adequately identify political material, the network now says the comments ''reflect the views of the Nine Network''.

    During the broadcast of the game on September 23, Gould, who is also a Fairfax Media columnist, told viewers pre-commitment for poker machines was a ''rubbish policy'' that would not work and would do irreparable damage to the hospitality industry for no benefit.

    On September 29, Nine's network compliance manager, Shelley Bates, wrote to one viewer who had complained. ''The comments relating to the federal government's proposed poker machine tax were purely the opinions of the commentators regarding matters directly affecting the NRL community,'' Ms Bates said, according to a copy of the letter obtained by the ABC's Media Watch.

    The Communications and Media Authority then announced its inquiry, on October 4, into whether Nine had breached the conditions of its broadcasting licence.

    The licence requires that if a television channel broadcasts political advertising at the request of another person, it must immediately announce in writing who made the request. This requirement is not there if the network made the broadcast without a third-party request.

    But on October 10, Ms Bates made an about-turn, writing to another viewer who had complained about the comments.

    ''The comments relating to the federal government proposed poker machine tax reflect the views of the Nine Network regarding matters directly affecting the NRL community,'' she wrote, again misconstruing the pre-commitment policy as a tax.

    ''The comments were part of the program content and were in no way an advertisement; furthermore the Nine Network did not receive any payment or other benefits for the broadcast of the information.''
    Asked to explain the about-face, a Nine spokesman said it would be inappropriate to add anything while the authority's inquiry was under way.

    Before the authority said it was investigating, Warren revealed that while the comments reflected his own position he had made them on instruction.

    ''It was a directive from up top that it be read by at least somebody, so I read it,'' Warren told his co-host on the Triple M sports show, Dead Set Legends, Dan Ginnane.
    Warren said he thought it was an ad done on behalf of the rugby league Spokesmen for the NRL and Clubs NSW have denied the comments were paid for.

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    ****ing ridiculous. Their job is to be unbiased and remain agenda free. Yet here they are spruiking their own political agenda - a misguided and misinformed position at that. It's not a tax you ****wits. No wonder journalists get a bad name. Shit like this is a big part of it - biased and misinformed leaders with agendas to grind which then trickles down to biased and misinformed reporting. You are meant to be neutral - the Fourth Estate - the institution that holds power to account. You don't pick sides and grind your political axe.
    Last edited by Spanner in the works; 10-18-2011, 07:16 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Spanner in the works View Post
      You are meant to be neutral - the Fourth Estate - the institution that holds power to account.
      Dream on Mr Works, thats fairytale stuff.
      The media now days has replaced the circus as family entertainment and nothing more.
      Look at that halfwit Laurie Oaks and his pining for lost love Kev.
      The Internet is a place for posting silly things
      Try and be serious and you will look stupid
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Spanner in the works View Post
        ****ing ridiculous. Their job is to be unbiased and remain agenda free. Yet here they are spruiking their own political agenda - a misguided and misinformed position at that. It's not a tax you ****wits. No wonder journalists get a bad name. Shit like this is a big part of it - biased and misinformed leaders with agendas to grind which then trickles down to biased and misinformed reporting. You are meant to be neutral - the Fourth Estate - the institution that holds power to account. You don't pick sides and grind your political axe.
        Spanner are you the same person as Spanner in the Works at LU?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by rcptn View Post
          Spanner are you the same person as Spanner in the Works at LU?
          Surely am.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kingbilly View Post
            Dream on Mr Works, thats fairytale stuff.
            The media now days has replaced the circus as family entertainment and nothing more.
            Look at that halfwit Laurie Oaks and his pining for lost love Kev.
            I don't think it is fairytale stuff all the time. It's a matter of where you get your news from, who you get your news from, and what you choose to believe and not believe. I take most of what other journos say with a grain of salt - quite frankly, I don't trust them. They have 2 maybe 300 words to be an expert in a subject, and more often than not something is taken out of context, completely wrong, or agenda-driven. I make it a practice to be neutral, although it pains me to do it sometimes when there is someone or something I just don't like. Such as the debacle over refugees and Malaysia.

            I agree the media in general is fast becoming a circus, and is most definitely a circus amongst certain corporations and outlets. There is no room for opinion from the media, and there is no room for agendas from the media. Best thing I have ever done is to pick and choose my news sources, read what they say, and then find out the full story afterwards. So maybe you are right. Maybe it is a fairytale and I am holding people and corporations up to my own standards.

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            • #7
              Like Edmund Burke actually wrote: "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

              Ergo, Andrew Wilkie and Nick Xenaphon are the bad men, and Channel 9, Clubs Australia and anyone else who doesn't want wowzers and narcs controlling their lives are the good men.

              Strange bedfellows I know but I'd rather be on the side of good than evil. Which makes a bit of a change for me.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by John View Post
                Like Edmund Burke actually wrote: "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

                Ergo, Andrew Wilkie and Nick Xenaphon are the bad men, and Channel 9, Clubs Australia and anyone else who doesn't want wowzers and narcs controlling their lives are the good men.

                Strange bedfellows I know but I'd rather be on the side of good than evil. Which makes a bit of a change for me.
                Come on PIM, you're smarter than that. This policy did not come from the random thoughts of Xenophon and Wilkie, it came as a recommendation from the Productivity Commission.

                This good vs evil narrative is mindless.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Spanner in the works View Post
                  I don't think it is fairytale stuff all the time. It's a matter of where you get your news from, who you get your news from, and what you choose to believe and not believe. I take most of what other journos say with a grain of salt - quite frankly, I don't trust them. They have 2 maybe 300 words to be an expert in a subject, and more often than not something is taken out of context, completely wrong, or agenda-driven. I make it a practice to be neutral, although it pains me to do it sometimes when there is someone or something I just don't like. Such as the debacle over refugees and Malaysia.

                  I agree the media in general is fast becoming a circus, and is most definitely a circus amongst certain corporations and outlets. There is no room for opinion from the media, and there is no room for agendas from the media. Best thing I have ever done is to pick and choose my news sources, read what they say, and then find out the full story afterwards. So maybe you are right. Maybe it is a fairytale and I am holding people and corporations up to my own standards.
                  No room for opinion?

                  Move to North Korea or China and you'll be in heaven

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tony the wheel View Post
                    No room for opinion?

                    Move to North Korea or China and you'll be in heaven
                    TOK, as you should know, the problem is differentiation of journalism from opinion - they are not the same thing but that line is increasingly being blurred.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by theticket View Post
                      Come on PIM, you're smarter than that. This policy did not come from the random thoughts of Xenophon and Wilkie, it came as a recommendation from the Productivity Commission.

                      This good vs evil narrative is mindless.
                      The productivity commission is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be first against the wall when the revolution comes. That nark Xenaphon has run on an anti-pokies ticket from the get go. I'm getting more and more convinced that the quisling Wilkie has financial ties to the technology that's used in the new machines. A case of "Methinks the traitor doth protest too much" to misquote Hamlet.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tony the wheel View Post
                        No room for opinion?

                        Move to North Korea or China and you'll be in heaven
                        Have you ever been to either of those place TOK? Not likely, talking through your arse again.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Spanner in the works View Post
                          I don't think it is fairytale stuff all the time. It's a matter of where you get your news from, who you get your news from, and what you choose to believe and not believe. I take most of what other journos say with a grain of salt - quite frankly, I don't trust them. They have 2 maybe 300 words to be an expert in a subject, and more often than not something is taken out of context, completely wrong, or agenda-driven. I make it a practice to be neutral, although it pains me to do it sometimes when there is someone or something I just don't like. Such as the debacle over refugees and Malaysia.

                          I agree the media in general is fast becoming a circus, and is most definitely a circus amongst certain corporations and outlets. There is no room for opinion from the media, and there is no room for agendas from the media. Best thing I have ever done is to pick and choose my news sources, read what they say, and then find out the full story afterwards. So maybe you are right. Maybe it is a fairytale and I am holding people and corporations up to my own standards.
                          Yes but I remember a little discussion a few months back over at LU where if memory serves me correctly all the news sources you have are left wing or centrist with a left wing slant. Wouldn't that tend to reinforce your own view of the world?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tony the wheel View Post
                            No room for opinion?

                            Move to North Korea or China and you'll be in heaven
                            Welcome back Phil

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rcptn View Post
                              Yes but I remember a little discussion a few months back over at LU where if memory serves me correctly all the news sources you have are left wing or centrist with a left wing slant. Wouldn't that tend to reinforce your own view of the world?
                              No. I picked a variety as examples. I read pretty much everything. It just so happens I take a few of them with a grain of salt. Like the DT for example. I still read them, but I tend to be very wary of them. The Australian for example can be absolutely brilliant, but some days the editorial line comes out and it gets blurred as news.

                              Centre is good. It's the middle ground. I do have occasional left tendencies, but I am also a swing voter. Malcolm Turnbull is the politician nearest to my own political views. And to an extent Stephen Smith.

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