Our team is not as good as many think

[Les Tricolores]

Les conveniently forgets the injury tolls that have affected the squad since 2020 - It's been a great effort to even play finals footy these past 4 years when you consider the players out and number of games they missed.

You can cope with players missing the odd game here and there but it does really test your squad's depth with players are out for multiple weeks at a time, The Roosters only sign 26 to 28 players for their top 30 and rely on the extended bench players to fill in during the season

Big Jack Gibson was always reluctant to play a replacement player in back to back games.

Les keeps saying it's the best squad and it's loaded but is unable to assess the squads standing against other squads such as Penrith, Brisbane and Storm for an example who have pretty good squads themselves to say the least as do others such as the Warriors, Parra. Cows, Sharks, Knights, Souths , Manly for an example.

It has to be noted that the NRL best players lists hardly contain a Roosters player with the exception of Tedesco and Manu.

Next Game vs Newcastle Knights they have Tedesco , Walker , Billy Smith , Toia , Sandon Smith , Leniu , Young all unavailable for selection and some for several more weeks - 5 or 6 top 17 out from a 26 player squad. - Not sure why Nat Butcher didn't play and if he is available vs Newcastle

Leaving a 22 player squad looking like below for the Newcastle Knights Match on Thursday 11th April 2024.

1. Manu
2. Toops
3. Jennings
4. Manu
5. Suaalii
6. Watson
7. Keary
8. JWH
9. Brandon Smith
10. Collins
11. Crichton
12. N Butcher ( if available)
13. Radley
14. Dockar-Clay
15. May
16. Sitili
17. Whyte
18. E Butcher
19. Pauga
20. Moriarty
21. Wong
22. Murphy

That’s still a pretty backline with all the outs don’t you think Salvo?

The squad has been loaded for a few years mate … yes there have been injuries … but you’re just using it as an excuse these days

I’m not sure what you’re fighting against … are you for the club and the players or are you for the coach?

And yes I would sign Angus Crichton over Liam Martin for the next thousand years … Martin is a blowhard … the sort of player you want in your pack … but a player you would never build a team around … the likes of Luke Garner or Scott Sorensen don’t make our team … no one on Earth is paying May or Tago 1.6 million a year … ever! Toops is a Roosters legend … I’m not swapping him for Turuva anytime soon … Tedesco is the Australian captain … I don’t want Dylan Edwards thanks … Manu is a generational player who is better than any Panthers three quarter … Kenny isn’t a pimple on Brandon Smith’s arse … should I keep going on?

You want to big up these Penrith boys because what they achieve as a collective but they always get found out at Origin level … the likes of Yeo and Luai are not as generational as you think … yeah they’re very good players! but they excel beyond expectations at club level because of the coach and system they play for

It’s very simple mate … you don’t lose legendary players like Kikau and Koroisau and to a lesser extent Burton and Crichton and sign roadkill to replace them … and still be considered the most talented in the league

They are superbly coached … we are not … end of story

[The Godfather]

Why isn’t it trying? that is a systemic thing yes?

Depends. Could be as if a system doesn’t work, players will lose their spirit.

On the other hand , no system would work without spirit.

in terms of systems, I think the best ones are those where players come in to them and improve. In other words great systems develop players. Penrith , storm for examples where players have gotten better

Demonstrating the potential of a team and system of play can only be exposed with spirit.

For example the roosters decide to have a crack in the 2nd half and to me it became really obvious that Keary taking the line on and playing direct and straightening the attack had an immediate impact.

Would Keary and the roosters know that playing direct works? Ofcourse they would. So I’d say it’s not a knowledge thing. It’s a willingness to roll over the top of teams , in other words spirit and the roosters just haven’t shown it consistently this year.

is it up to the coach to have players have a go? I’d say not directly. If you are a professional footballer and need someone to motivate you I’d say you are in trouble.

I think the coach sets the culture and creates the environment and systems for players to flourish. I think Bellamy has an amazing ability to speak very directly, uncomplicated and uncompromising yet at the same time have players love playing in his system. Webster and Cleary also similar just haven’t done it for so long.

[Ray Stehr]

Nathan Cleary an ex-Rooster??

He's a junior and he was the ball boy.

[HDTONE]

We came back from 26-0.

If I was Ciraldo I'd be very very worried about how my squads leading by such a margin and didn't go on with the job.

Why heartless players I've got that put the cue in the rack after the 1st 40.

Reckon Ciraldo's got way more problems than us.

We lost sure but we didn't use half time score as a reason. And imo I think the Rads binning was total bullshit and Crighton seemed to milk it hard.

2 of our good players out with HIA, 1 offed and one binned in the last 10.....we put in one damn fine effort in the 2nd half......be proud of that folks.

[SamKerrSimp]

You’re not being objective

Des has been a good … not great … coach … a premiership … a few grand final appearances … a winning record at every stint … bar his second at Manly … where he definitely was on course until he was blindsided by a dumbass tone deaf owner

He’s the perfect fit at the Titans … but that job is also a poisoned chalice … building a hardass desperate outfit on the glitter strip is a tough ask for anyone

Des should be thankful the Manly jersey saga happened because it completely glossed over how terrible his run at Manly had been and gave him the perfect excuse for why he wasn't getting the job done at Manly.

It's funny how Des has 3 stints at clubs and you want to ignore his most recent one because it was his worst and plays in to my comment that he has been outdated for nearly a decade.

Des had 1 good year at the Bulldogs which was his first season in 2012 after that he went 6ht, 7th, 5th, 7th, 11th then went 6th, 13th, 4th (only 2 wins against top 8 teams this season) and 11th at Manly, absolute dross for a decade and now he's going to collect a wooden spoon at the Titans.

[Les Tricolores]

Des should be thankful the Manly jersey saga happened because it completely glossed over how terrible his run at Manly had been and gave him the perfect excuse for why he wasn't getting the job done at Manly.

It's funny how Des has 3 stints at clubs and you want to ignore his most recent one because it was his worst and plays in to my comment that he has been outdated for nearly a decade.

Des had 1 good year at the Bulldogs which was his first season in 2012 after that he went 6ht, 7th, 5th, 7th, 11th then went 6th, 13th, 4th (only 2 wins against top 8 teams this season) and 11th at Manly, absolute dross for a decade and now he's going to collect a wooden spoon at the Titans.

How do you know so much about Des mate? Are you related to him? or the Manly owner? or is there some other reason?

Manly were well on course for the finals before the Women in League round fiasco … they didn’t win another game after that … you blaming Des when half his team didn’t want to suit up for the owner?

The bloke will be remembered as a good coach no matter what he can conjure up on the coast

[SamKerrSimp]

How do you know so much about Des mate? Are you related to him? or the Manly owner? or is there some other reason?

Manly were well on course for the finals before the Women in League round fiasco … they didn’t win another game after that … you blaming Des when half his team didn’t want to suit up for the owner?

The bloke will be remembered as a good coach no matter what he can conjure up on the coast

Manly weren't even in the 8 at the time and got pumped by the Dragons a week before a total of 6 players didn't want to play wearing that jersey

[dice]

Everyone's given up on them after last night. It was the worst half of footy I've ever seen from them.

It was the worst half I have ever seen from them. However, it was more to do with complacency than ability as demonstrated in the 2nd half. Glad you are off the bandwagon. We are now a chance.

[Les Tricolores]

Manly weren't even in the 8 at the time and got pumped by the Dragons a week before a total of 6 players didn't want to play wearing that jersey

You didn’t answer my question mate … they didn’t win another game

And it was 7 players … the same number of games they lost consecutively from that weekend … and they lost at Jubilee 20-6 the prior week to be at .500 … hardly a pumping

Again what’s with the vested interest when it comes to Des?

[Les Tricolores]

Les conveniently forgets the injury tolls that have affected the squad since 2020 - It's been a great effort to even play finals footy these past 4 years when you consider the players out and number of games they missed.

You can cope with players missing the odd game here and there but it does really test your squad's depth with players are out for multiple weeks at a time, The Roosters only sign 26 to 28 players for their top 30 and rely on the extended bench players to fill in during the season

Big Jack Gibson was always reluctant to play a replacement player in back to back games.

Les keeps saying it's the best squad and it's loaded but is unable to assess the squads standing against other squads such as Penrith, Brisbane and Storm for an example who have pretty good squads themselves to say the least as do others such as the Warriors, Parra. Cows, Sharks, Knights, Souths , Manly for an example.

It has to be noted that the NRL best players lists hardly contain a Roosters player with the exception of Tedesco and Manu.

Next Game vs Newcastle Knights they have Tedesco , Walker , Billy Smith , Toia , Sandon Smith , Leniu , Young all unavailable for selection and some for several more weeks - 5 or 6 top 17 out from a 26 player squad. - Not sure why Nat Butcher didn't play and if he is available vs Newcastle

Leaving a 22 player squad looking like below for the Newcastle Knights Match on Thursday 11th April 2024.

1. Manu
2. Toops
3. Suaalii
4. Jennings
5. Pauga
6. Watson
7. Keary
8. JWH
9. Brandon Smith
10. Collins
11. Crichton
12. N Butcher ( if available)
13. Radley
14. Dockar-Clay
15. May
16. Sitili
17. Whyte
18. E Butcher
19. Moriarty
20. Wong
21. Murphy
22. Napa

I rest my case … you’ve been whacking on for too long refusing to see the basic truth in front of you

That magnificent Penrith lineup got manhandled at Brookvale tonight … and with a better lineup than what spanked us at Allianz in prime time last week

I am sick of the BS around here … time for the Don to clear out the riffraff

[milanja]

It was the worst half I have ever seen from them. However, it was more to do with complacency than ability as demonstrated in the 2nd half. Glad you are off the bandwagon. We are now a chance.

Every time we lose to a team we probably shouldn’t, people put it down to complacency, when you consistently lose to these teams over the past 5 years, how are they still complacent going into these games?

bulldogs,dragons,dolphins,raiders,knights,manly

Complacency should set in when you a winning, and then drop the odd game against a dud team.

might be time to bring the horse whisperer back to the junction.

[SamKerrSimp]

You didn’t answer my question mate … they didn’t win another game

And it was 7 players … the same number of games they lost consecutively from that weekend … and they lost at Jubilee 20-6 the prior week to be at .500 … hardly a pumping

Again what’s with the vested interest when it comes to Des?

Manly had also lost 5 of their previous 9 matches before the rainbow jersey fiasco heading in to round 20 and hadn't sat above 8th on the ladder since round 9 when they were 7th, just to add in a little more context to their season.

I have no interest in Des Hasler I am just calling it as it is: He's been outdated for over a decade now and his team's performances across 3 clubs reflect that, he is nothing more than Ricky Stuart with a perm who hasn't adapted to an evolving game.

I already said that the jersey fiasco glossed over Hasler's poor form as coach of Manly particularly his dreadful record against top 8 teams in recent years and it was a get out card to keep his reputation in tact, I don't believe Manly make the top 8 if their players don't refuse to play.

[King Salvo]

I rest my case … you’ve been whacking on for too long refusing to see the basic truth in front of you

That magnificent Penrith lineup got manhandled at Brookvale tonight … and with a better lineup than what spanked us at Allianz in prime time last week

I am sick of the BS around here … time for the Don to clear out the riffraff

It's round 5 and to isolate one game as some season defining moment or where another teams chances in winning a comp is at is daft - Wests Tigers beat Penrith last year for instance - Wests Tigers picked up the spoon - Penrith Premiers

Penrith were near full strength against a struggling Tigers outfit

https://www.nrl.com/draw/nrl-premier...-wests-tigers/

Brief Stats - Manly vs Penrith - Very un Penrith like some of these - All it shows is any team can beat another team on their day if one team is off their game which Penrith were.

Possession - Manly 49% - Penrith 51%
Set Completions - Manly 80% (38/47) - Penrith 73% (30/41)
Line Breaks - Manly 8 - Penrith 3
Missed Tackles - Manly 34 - Penrith 30
Errors - Manly 12 - Penrith 13
Penalties Conceded - Manly 3 - Penrith 11

[Les Tricolores]

It's round 5 and to isolate one game as some season defining moment or where another teams chances in winning a comp is at is daft - Wests Tigers beat Penrith last year for instance - Wests Tigers picked up the spoon - Penrith Premiers

Penrith were near full strength against a struggling Tigers outfit

https://www.nrl.com/draw/nrl-premier...-wests-tigers/

Brief Stats - Manly vs Penrith - Very un Penrith like some of these - All it shows is any team can beat another team on their day if one team is off their game which Penrith were.

Possession - Manly 49% - Penrith 51%
Set Completions - Manly 80% (38/47) - Penrith 73% (30/41)
Line Breaks - Manly 8 - Penrith 3
Missed Tackles - Manly 34 - Penrith 30
Errors - Manly 12 - Penrith 13
Penalties Conceded - Manly 3 - Penrith 11

The record hasn’t changed in a number of years Salvo

What will you say if we lose to the Knights next week? Blame it on injuries or suspensions?

Robbo is not a good coach anymore … average at best … we deserve better

[eddie]

Bottom line is the media likes to stereo-type our club with this stacked roster BS.
It's disappointing when some of our own supporters fall for this tripe.