Maybe Braith has a point?

[Guest]

Considering that we are one of the few teams that dosnt employ the grapple in the tackle and all the wrestling it actually makes the case worse that we get penalised so much. Conspiracy or not, there seems to me a biased against us. Maybe tall poppy syndrome, I dont know. And if you think conspiracy arrangements in life dont exist, then you have given up living..

[elo]

BIG LOL!!

Referees tip sheets!! So there we have it. They are actually coached to deliberately NOT be impartial.

This is preposterous beyond comprehension.

The thought that with 2 on field referees and 2 touch judges, plus a video referee, the officials are INSTRUCTED not to take the field and call the game as it happens, but to take the field with the pre-conceived conviction that certain teams and certain players are going to infringe, and that the officials will watch these individuals more closely and penalize them more readily than other teams and their players.

This, in my opinion, could be used as a perfect example to explain to someone the meaning of the word BIAS.

It is akin to a tennis umpire targeting a certain player with the preconceived notion that any ball that looks close to the line is probably out rather than in - it's on my umpire's tipsheet after all. Or a baseball umpire - that pitch was on the border-line between a stike and a ball - oh look here, it says on my tip sheet this pitcher tries to get batters to swing at off-centre pitches - "ball one".

This is utterly ****ed, and is a perfect explanation for what has been going on. This NEEDS to be drawn to our club's attention. Continuing to cop it up the arse has not and will not get these cheating turds to let up.

All you have to do is listen to the referees each match, they are screaming at specific players which tells you they are tipped to watch some players closer than others, any slight infringement by a player that has been marked as ill-disciplined and he will be penalised whilst others can get away with doing the exact same things. I hate it, it's been a blight on the game since Finch took over and it is a form of bias IMO.

[Spirit of 66]

taking 2012 out of the equation what was our best year?

2011: -17

Of course, these figures omit a whole range of other factors that can handicap a team. For example, when and where penalties are given; situations where penalties should have been given, but weren't etc.

[Guest]

Penalties

Its not so much our discipline its the consistency of decisions and the decisions we dont get that hurt. I'll watch a match and see us penalised and think fair enough. Then I'll watch the opposition do the same thing consistently and not get penalised.

Also a good example from Monday night - Anasta questions the referee over the play the ball that led to Inus try. Hes fired up yes but uses no langauage, call the ref sir. He gets threatened with the bin. Earlier Ennis lauches into the ref over the Cassiano decision, sprays him with the F word. The ref just takes it all not even a comeback or warning.

Not sure what that demonstrates but it demostrates something.

[Guest]

Freddy on the Sunday Footy show was going on about how when he was coach and he would read the referees boss tip sheets and they were loaded with comments against us and it lead the referees to having a pre-determined mind set going into our matches meaning if they saw any slight infringement it would immediately called a penalty against us.

We are completely ****ed under the current referees as this mentality is ingrained in them now.

see i can understand why they have tip sheets and am not completely adverse too them. the irony is though that at what point does the tip sheet get 'updated' - ie the things you used to do get removed and the things you now do get added? judging by the way the refs attack the game i would go with rare to never.

the other problem which was particularly evident in origin and also in those statistics is that the refs are:
a) too reflective of what the media say
b) pedestool certain players because they are 'amazing' and whatever other ridiculous tags get attached to them.

thats why teams like the storm, st george, QLD rarely get penalised and get away with so much stuff because their core players are in this league of untouchables who are so good that they couldnt possibly be cheating or trying to break the rules. it must have just been a mistake. cameron smith and billy slater are 2 of the dirtiest players yet you will never see them penalised because they are "the best 1 and 9 ever to play the game". the storm and dragons in general not only serial offenders in these holding down etc tactics, they are also the bloody pioneers. how that escapes the tip sheet is beyond me

[player 1]

see i can understand why they have tip sheets and am not completely adverse too them.

Well you should be, for the reasons you discuss in the rest of your post, which is very pertinent and well written.

No tip sheets = less ingrained bias.

[Guest]

BIG LOL!!

Referees tip sheets!! So there we have it. They are actually coached to deliberately NOT be impartial.

This is preposterous beyond comprehension.

The thought that with 2 on field referees and 2 touch judges, plus a video referee, the officials are INSTRUCTED not to take the field and call the game as it happens, but to take the field with the pre-conceived conviction that certain teams and certain players are going to infringe, and that the officials will watch these individuals more closely and penalize them more readily than other teams and their players.

This, in my opinion, could be used as a perfect example to explain to someone the meaning of the word BIAS.

It is akin to a tennis umpire targeting a certain player with the preconceived notion that any ball that looks close to the line is probably out rather than in - it's on my umpire's tipsheet after all. Or a baseball umpire - that pitch was on the border-line between a stike and a ball - oh look here, it says on my tip sheet this pitcher tries to get batters to swing at off-centre pitches - "ball one".

This is utterly ****ed, and is a perfect explanation for what has been going on. This NEEDS to be drawn to our club's attention. Continuing to cop it up the arse has not and will not get these cheating turds to let up.

Adrian Morley is a prime example of a player unfairly targetted and penalised out of our team and competition by the supposedly unbiased NRL offiicialdom. You could even say the pricks have not relented agianst us even after he went back to England.

The stats don't lie. The refs have their favs and officiate accordingly. Some teams get the rub while others don't, and they are easy to differeninate, look at the ladder.

Refing should not have such a determination on the competition, but unfortunately it does. You hear the commentators all the time say "penalties are crucial when turning a game or momentum" and some teams CONSISTENTLY get the more penalties than others. Even after they change coaches and styles and structures and players, they still get the rub. Some teams get penalised for doing exactly the same thing as the other side who don't get penalised. Ala the two tackles in SOO 1. NSW get penalised, QLD score and changes the entire complex of the game. QLD do exactly the same tackle no penalty. How many wrong calls have gone against us this year?

We are infairly targeted imo. Whether it's cause the refs hate Anasta too, or payback for FOFF, or some slight against Bill and his News Limited masters, or they haven't taken the cross hairs off us since Moz, I dunno. But we are consistently getting raped by the refs and I have no idea what we do about it.

Chook.

[BallyChook]

On Monday night, the penalty given before the Cassiano 'no try' against Martin Kennedy for pushing Ennis is a perfect example of how we get caned unfairly. Ennis is a known protagonist & milks everything in the game that it is worth, yet he was still able to convince the ref that Kennedy had pushed him to the ground when in fact he did not. Yet, if Warea-Hargreaves does the same thing (which he does a bit admittedly) you will hear the ref say 'stop trying to milk it Jared'.

The other thing is that everyone is saying that we have to learn how defend better after giving penalties, which we do, but when we are conceding as many as we do and as often as we do how the bloody hell are we meant to. Obviously the more penalties that are given the more try scoring opportunities the opposition will receive. Conversely, the lesser penalised sides in the comp are most likely to be better adapt at defending conceded penalties because they don't have to do it as often as we do and are probably mentally able to cope better. Like Chook says, I have no idea how any of this is going change because the stats over the last 5 - 7 years don't lie.

[Andrew Walker]

2011: -17

Of course, these figures omit a whole range of other factors that can handicap a team. For example, when and where penalties are given; situations where penalties should have been given, but weren't etc.

That can be explained As we were out of play for the finals many weeks before the season was over All of a sudden we actually won a few penalty counts

[player 1]

How do we stop it?

Well firstly, whatever the club does, they have nothing to lose. What will they do? Start picking on us?

Embarrass them. The club presents these statistics publicly, along with a demand that "tip sheets" for referees are abolished as they are plainly and obviously nothing but a disgraceful, systematic source of bias.

The club should demand what is fair, in the spirit of the game, and has been glaringly lacking for a long time - referees who take the field with no preconceived bias about who are the good guys and the bad guys; that the referees vow to be impartial and penalize teams when they seek to gain an unfair advantage by infringing the rules.

Ideally, all of the current crop of NRL referees require termination, as I believe as a result of their indoctrination by Finch, Harrigan, et al, they have become permanently brainwashed into a biased mental attitude.

Replace them with brand new, unindoctrinated officials. The lack of experience of the new refs at NRL level, and the inevitable increase in HONEST mistakes made by them initially, will be more than compensated for by the cleansing from the game of the current crop of systematically biased, rorting, cheating oxygen thieves - aka NRL referees.

[Bansai Pipeline]

I want him to march the team.

We'd go down in infamy for ever.

A lot of thin-skinned pussies on here would go to water about the negative press. The same weak willed queers who wanted Carney gone.

But it'd be a strong move.

Do it Braith.

Walk Easts. Walk!

[chook 56]

I want him to march the team.

We'd go down in infamy for ever.

A lot of thin-skinned pussies on here would go to water about the negative press. The same weak willed queers who wanted Carney gone.

But it'd be a strong move.

Do it Braith.

Walk Easts. Walk!

The trouble is the team would prolly say to Braith "DO IT"....and off storms Braith to the sidelines & then look over his shoulder to see the team waving goodbye......FINALLY GOT RID OF YA, BRAITH.

[rooster_booster]

I must say this is the most constructive discussion I've seen on this site for a while.

[Andrew Walker]

I want him to march the team.

We'd go down in infamy for ever.

A lot of thin-skinned pussies on here would go to water about the negative press. The same weak willed queers who wanted Carney gone.

But it'd be a strong move.

Do it Braith.

Walk Easts. Walk!

Hahahaha That post made me laugh. Under the approprite circumstances I would agree if we walked off the field in protest I was at the Manly game in 95 when Gould was calling the players off The only reason I didnt want them to walk off at that point was because we were winning the game

[Danish]

I would have loved us to have walked off the field after the Manly decision 2 weeks ago.

It was clear we were not going to be allowed to win the game after that, and I'd happily have taken a forfeit for the absolute shit storm of press it would have brought down on Harrigan's head.