What Smith Wanted

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A successfull Roosters team.

You can't even spell the word properly! Tsk tsk Ray...no A+ for you!

[Guest]

Bellamy hasn't won a title which would make him as successful as Smith.

Chook.

[Guest]

Bellamy hasn't won a title which would make him as successful as Smith.

Chook.

In a nutshell!

[Guest]

Bellamy hasn't won a title which would make him as successful as Smith.

Chook.

So that means you think hagan is a better coach than Bellamy?

By your logic, he must be better than smith because he beat smith directly in a gf when smiths favourites "choked".

[Guest]

So that means you think hagan is a better coach than Bellamy?

By your logic, he must be better than smith because he beat smith directly in a gf when smiths favourites "choked".

You are too easy fred.

Chook.

[Headless Chook]

So that means you think hagan is a better coach than Bellamy?

By your logic, he must be better than smith because he beat smith directly in a gf when smiths favourites "choked".

Haha....Fred mentions logic when talking about Brian Smith!!!! Good one Fred, you're too funny!

[BUDDY]

Here comes the rubbish excuses for smith.

It's all carneys fault.

It's now all anastas fault.

Next year it will be another persons fault.

It's never his fault, he's just the coach.

Look at the comp table bavk then and you will see that the storm were easy beats when Bellamy took them over. They were terrible. He not only turned them around straight away but he kept them up in the top part of the ladder each year basically. The opposite to smith.

So what you are saying fred is that the issues we faced with Myles, Watts and Carney did not have an affect on team harmony last year and what happened on the field was all Smithy's lack of coaching ability. That lack of coaching ability was the difference between 2010 and 2011 with virtually the same squad. So when Carney was plastered at the races the day before the Manly game when we got smashed, it was Smithy's game plan that made us play the way we did. This of course was around the same time that the drinking ban was put in place and then Myles, Carney and FPN were photographed outside that nightclub the day after the game. No player disharmony at all. It was all Smithy's coaching that we finished just 4 points out of the 8. If we didn't have any off-field dramas we still would have finished 4 points out of the 8 because of Smithy.

So by your logic in the last 2 years had we finished 5th and 6th and then 6th this year you are saying you would be rapped and not be bagging Smithy now because he would have taken a bunch of easy beats from wooden spoon to the bottom part of the 8 three years running and that would make him equivalent to Bellamey's first 3 years. So in Smithy's first two years finishing as grand finalists (from wooden spooners) and just out of the 8 (taking into account the dramas of last year amongst some of our leading players) is a worse record than finishing 5th and 6th.

Plus you still think Smith, Slater, Hill, Kearns, King, Geyer, Johnson, Kearney, Howe, Hoffman, Bai, Orford and Ross are a bunch of easy beats.

Your logic baffles me sometimes fred.

[mightyrooster]

So what you are saying fred is that the issues we faced with Myles, Watts and Carney did not have an affect on team harmony last year and what happened on the field was all Smithy's lack of coaching ability. That lack of coaching ability was the difference between 2010 and 2011 with virtually the same squad. So when Carney was plastered at the races the day before the Manly game when we got smashed, it was Smithy's game plan that made us play the way we did. This of course was around the same time that the drinking ban was put in place and then Myles, Carney and FPN were photographed outside that nightclub the day after the game. No player disharmony at all. It was all Smithy's coaching that we finished just 4 points out of the 8. If we didn't have any off-field dramas we still would have finished 4 points out of the 8 because of Smithy.

So by your logic in the last 2 years had we finished 5th and 6th and then 6th this year you are saying you would be rapped and not be bagging Smithy now because he would have taken a bunch of easy beats from wooden spoon to the bottom part of the 8 three years running and that would make him equivalent to Bellamey's first 3 years. So in Smithy's first two years finishing as grand finalists (from wooden spooners) and just out of the 8 (taking into account the dramas of last year amongst some of our leading players) is a worse record than finishing 5th and 6th.

Plus you still think Smith, Slater, Hill, Kearns, King, Geyer, Johnson, Kearney, Howe, Hoffman, Bai, Orford and Ross are a bunch of easy beats.

Your logic baffles me sometimes fred.

Fred doesn't use logic when it comes to Smith Buddy. He swaps and changes his opinions, 'facts' and evidence to suit his agenda against Smith. When we smashed the Storm in that last game in 2011 he would have said they didn't have Smith and Slater in their team - he would call it an 'explanation' for the Storm (and Bellamy) losing. If the roles were reversed he would say Smithy was an IDIOT for resting the two players. And when we were beaten by the Storm down there playing with a virtual Jets team because half our first grade squad was injured, Fred would have said we CANNOT use injuries as an excuse for Smithy's crap coaching. Get the drift? I'm over arguing with Fred on this subject as he is totally illogical and irrational in his opinion.

[Guest]

You are too easy fred.

Chook.

I'm interested in your view.

So please explain.

If I follow your logic, hagan is better than both bellamy and smith, correct?

[Cockadoodledoo]

So what you are saying fred is that the issues we faced with Myles, Watts and Carney did not have an affect on team harmony last year

Absolutely they did.... however go back one step and see how those problems began.. Supposedly Smith did not want to keep Myles and told him at the start of the year to look elsewhere.. He recruited Watts and began playing mindgames with Carney after the Dally M's.. So possibly the issues he faced were partly of his own doing..

[BUDDY]

Absolutely they did.... however go back one step and see how those problems began.. Supposedly Smith did not want to keep Myles and told him at the start of the year to look elsewhere.. He recruited Watts and began playing mindgames with Carney after the Dally M's.. So possibly the issues he faced were partly of his own doing..

Supposedly and fact are chalk and cheese. The "supposed" talk is that Politis told Myles to piss off. I think most know the problems Myles had off the field and I can see why Politis would have wanted him gone. From memory Myles also wanted Carney gone at the beginning of the year and it looks like by the end of the year he had a major influence on Carney going off the rails. Probably to get back at the club.

Regardless Linnett and Graham were also told they were not wanted yet played to the best of their ability for the whole year. Why blame Smith or Politis for the way a senior representative player reacts to not being part of future plans. It says more about the player than anything else.

[Guest]

So what you are saying fred is that the issues we faced with Myles, Watts and Carney did not have an affect on team harmony last year and what happened on the field was all Smithy's lack of coaching ability. That lack of coaching ability was the difference between 2010 and 2011 with virtually the same squad. So when Carney was plastered at the races the day before the Manly game when we got smashed, it was Smithy's game plan that made us play the way we did. This of course was around the same time that the drinking ban was put in place and then Myles, Carney and FPN were photographed outside that nightclub the day after the game. No player disharmony at all. It was all Smithy's coaching that we finished just 4 points out of the 8. If we didn't have any off-field dramas we still would have finished 4 points out of the 8 because of Smithy.

So by your logic in the last 2 years had we finished 5th and 6th and then 6th this year you are saying you would be rapped and not be bagging Smithy now because he would have taken a bunch of easy beats from wooden spoon to the bottom part of the 8 three years running and that would make him equivalent to Bellamey's first 3 years. So in Smithy's first two years finishing as grand finalists (from wooden spooners) and just out of the 8 (taking into account the dramas of last year amongst some of our leading players) is a worse record than finishing 5th and 6th.

Plus you still think Smith, Slater, Hill, Kearns, King, Geyer, Johnson, Kearney, Howe, Hoffman, Bai, Orford and Ross are a bunch of easy beats.

Your logic baffles me sometimes fred.

I never said the happenings with carney and myles didnt have an effect. Obviously it had an effect.

But likewise, I am not the one who is basically saying that smith is a top coach and its mainly due to him that we made the gf in 2010.

If you really believe that smith is so good, that he himself had the main effect on the team that saw them rise from last to the gf then if he is that good he would be good enough to have overcome whatever obstacles he faced last year and he would most definately should have us in the top 8 this year - if he is any good.

I don't take much notice of the first year honeymoon effect. I prefer to look at what is happening more long term than that. And the longer term view is that we are playing an absolutely pathetic brand of footy, totally ill discilined on and off the field, with no structure, no set plays, nothing. I see good young players completely lost in what they have to do and not progressing the way that they should be. My own view is that 2010 had more to do with carney's brilliance than anything else - you can see the effect that he has had on the sharks this year even though he isnt playing anywhere near his normal brilliance. No carney since then at our club and we have gone backwards yet again – despite mastercoach smith being in charge.

If smith was able to get us into the 8 last year or failing that then definately this year, I would consider changing my views about him. I don’t care who personally is the coach of our club as long as they are a good coach. My views on smith are not personal, I have never met the guy. The whole idea about coaching is to progress your team the more time you have with them - not have a honeymoon year immediately and then fall down to ordinary level the next 2 years. We wont make the 8 this year and we wont look like making the 8 in the second half of this season - we will struggle to win many of our next 4 or 5 games.

You can come up with all the excuses in the world for smith if you want. But they are just excuses.

I used an over the top comment about the storm being easybeats before. My apologies. Maybe they weren't easy beats but they were underperforming signficantly and they sacked mark muppet murray after his second season in charge and guess what - they found a great coach in bellamy and he changed things around for them and kept them up near the top of the ladder ever since.

The other thing is this – in 2008 and 2010 we had strong performances under freddy and smith. That only shows 1 thing in my mind – that we have got the playing talent there to be a good team – they have done it before. The fact that they have only done it in a one-off year under each coach says to me that they coaching is much more rubbish than the playing squad that we have.

[Guest]

Fred doesn't use logic when it comes to Smith Buddy. He swaps and changes his opinions, 'facts' and evidence to suit his agenda against Smith. When we smashed the Storm in that last game in 2011 he would have said they didn't have Smith and Slater in their team - he would call it an 'explanation' for the Storm (and Bellamy) losing. If the roles were reversed he would say Smithy was an IDIOT for resting the two players. And when we were beaten by the Storm down there playing with a virtual Jets team because half our first grade squad was injured, Fred would have said we CANNOT use injuries as an excuse for Smithy's crap coaching. Get the drift? I'm over arguing with Fred on this subject as he is totally illogical and irrational in his opinion.

keep supporting smith and son because they will need it, trust me.

[Guest]

Supposedly and fact are chalk and cheese. The "supposed" talk is that Politis told Myles to piss off. I think most know the problems Myles had off the field and I can see why Politis would have wanted him gone. From memory Myles also wanted Carney gone at the beginning of the year and it looks like by the end of the year he had a major influence on Carney going off the rails. Probably to get back at the club.

Regardless Linnett and Graham were also told they were not wanted yet played to the best of their ability for the whole year. Why blame Smith or Politis for the way a senior representative player reacts to not being part of future plans. It says more about the player than anything else.

nothing is smith's fault. He is just the coach, builder and cleaner.

[Guest]

I don't take much notice of the first year honeymoon effect.

Did you notice when we won the GF in 2002 or was that just the honeymoon effect too?