What Smith Wanted

[elo]

They belive time has passed him by and he has no idea of how to play the modern game.

There's no doubt in my mind this is true, it's the main reason Brian must be moved on from head coaching, the game has passed him by and the premiership is never coming so there's no point keeping him in the role. I think his future is in management, I'd have no issue with him being "promoted" to head of football operations or something like that but please please please keep him away from the coaching paddock.

[Guest]

Who is a good coach though Fred?

I think Smith's time is up but I can't see us getting any of the coaches that you have mentioned. All I can see happening is us going back to Stuart.

no idea to be honest. I think its worth spending tonnes on getting someone like bellamy no matter what the cost rather than spending big on players and then being coached by someone hopeless.

but if we can't get bellamy that doesnt mean that we should put up with rubbish because we are scared of who else might be good. As I tried to give an example several times before to people on here - if you go eat out at a restaurant and the food is terrible, do you go back and back and back even though its still shit or do you try to eat somewhere else.

[stsae]

Who is a good coach though Fred?

I think Smith's time is up but I can't see us getting any of the coaches that you have mentioned. All I can see happening is us going back to Stuart.

Who Fredo hated also.

I agree with the sentiment expressed by Ben, MR and Spanner. You don't have to like the coach, just get on with the job and play footy how the coach wants. If it still fails then the coach will get the arse. If you can't suck it up you bail. It's a simple concept.

As for the constant bleeting about Bellyache, sure he's a very good coach, but why would he want to come here??? Why would any good coach risk coming here, we are a sack happy club, from the fans to the suits.

Maybe the reactive Gallop should be our next coach, he'd fit the clubs MO to a MsTee.

If the dressing room loss thingy (another farking cliche) is true nothing can stop the slide. Again our club is being dictated to by individuals and I'm sure we will be reactive to their whinging. This clubs soooooooo soft it's not funny. I thought we had started to rise above the soft attitude, but again it's tanty up, sack everyone, start again, fix nothing, DeJaPoo shit. Nothing ever changes no one learns from the past. Mental peas.

[Guest]

Who Fredo hated also.

I agree with the sentiment expressed by Ben, MR and Spanner. You don't have to like the coach, just get on with the job and play footy how the coach wants. If it still fails then the coach will get the arse. If you can't suck it up you bail. It's a simple concept.

As for the constant bleeting about Bellyache, sure he's a very good coach, but why would he want to come here??? Why would any good coach risk coming here, we are a sack happy club, from the fans to the suits.

Maybe the reactive Gallop should be our next coach, he'd fit the clubs MO to a MsTee.

If the dressing room loss thingy (another farking cliche) is true nothing can stop the slide. Again our club is being dictated to by individuals and I'm sure we will be reactive to their whinging. This clubs soooooooo soft it's not funny. I thought we had started to rise above the soft attitude, but again it's tanty up, sack everyone, start again, fix nothing, DeJaPoo shit. Nothing ever changes no one learns from the past. Mental peas.

but they have been getting on with the job. thats what they have been doing this year and they should be commended for that.

the players do not deserve criticism here. its not just a few individuals.

its unfortunate that many of you are so quick to blame players but let turn a blind eye to whether the coach is not the right person for the job. it wont be cross any of your minds that that is a possibility.

and you are right, the slide will be hard to stop for the rest of this year no matter how hard the players try for each other.

[mightyrooster]

but they have been getting on with the job. thats what they have been doing this year and they should be commended for that.

the players do not deserve criticism here. its not just a few individuals.

its unfortunate that many of you are so quick to blame players but let turn a blind eye to whether the coach is not the right person for the job. it wont be cross any of your minds that that is a possibility.

and you are right, the slide will be hard to stop for the rest of this year no matter how hard the players try for each other.

And it's unfortunate that you always look to blame the coach whenever the team doesn't make the 8 or GF every year or whatever is the minimal standard you aspire to. Every team wants to make the top 8 but not every team will. And it's not always solely the coach's fault if they don't. Youth, inexperience, injuries, player attitudes, skill levels DO play a role but you just brush them off as excuses.

[Guest]

And it's unfortunate that you always look to blame the coach whenever the team doesn't make the 8 or GF every year or whatever is the minimal standard you aspire to. Every team wants to make the top 8 but not every team will. And it's not always solely the coach's fault if they don't. Youth, inexperience, injuries, player attitudes, skill levels DO play a role but you just brush them off as excuses.

you left out the weather as an excuse.

[stsae]

And it's unfortunate that you always look to blame the coach whenever the team doesn't make the 8 or GF every year or whatever is the minimal standard you aspire to. Every team wants to make the top 8 but not every team will. And it's not always solely the coach's fault if they don't. Youth, inexperience, injuries, player attitudes, skill levels DO play a role but you just brush them off as excuses.

Thanks MR, you said what I wanted to express. I wanted to respond to Fredo but it is futile.

The bloke doesn't get it. I reckon you could count on one hand the posters on this site who reckon Smiff is the answer as our long term coach. But what we have all been saying is there are other valid reasons for last years and this years form to consider before we just sack Smiff. And I think most would like to see a coach at least finish his term, after all Smiff was signed for 4 seasons, that's our doing as a club, I believe we should honor that deal.

In saying that IF a better option becomes available, someone who can take control, then the early pay out is always possible. But IMO a coach deserves FULL control over selections and recruitment and retention etc. Then they can be judged if it's not working. I'm yet to be assured that Smiff, or the coaches before him at the club have had that structure or set up.

The clubs soft underbelly is showing again.

[novice chook]

Fred, you know what the really sad thing is. When we get another coach, whoever it may be, sooner rather than later you will come out with the same negative crap, only the name will change.

No matter who he is and no matter what his reputation, you will be true to form and bitch and whinge like you always do and have done for years.

It's a neverending story, and it's become a bloody boring one it's been going on for so long.

NC

[mightyrooster]

you left out the weather as an excuse.

Nice sidestep. I prefer to look at the bigger picture in these things. You pin the coach (whoever that is - be it Smith or someone else) to 100% of the blame when a team doesn't reach your exacting standards. I think it's necessary to look at all variables (including the weather if you insist) when examining these things. As an example if I was your boss, I would give you a fair hearing and look at all the circumstances when making a decision on whether you were the sole reason to blame for all the staff whinging to me about you. If you were my boss I would be sacked with no recall. And I have been in a management position such as this in my own work experience! I believe you need to open your eyes to the possibility that while Smith may be a pain to work with in some areas, he is still worth keeping on till his contract expires as we don't live in a perfect world with no injuries, no rep duty call ups, no perfect refs etc etc etc

[Guest]

thats not true novice. I dont just complain about the coaching for no reason. There are reasons for it.

I am sure even you would agree that the standard of coaches we have for some time has left a lot to be desired.

[Guest]

Nice sidestep. I prefer to look at the bigger picture in these things. You pin the coach (whoever that is - be it Smith or someone else) to 100% of the blame when a team doesn't reach your exacting standards. I think it's necessary to look at all variables (including the weather if you insist) when examining these things. As an example if I was your boss, I would give you a fair hearing and look at all the circumstances when making a decision on whether you were the sole reason to blame for all the staff whinging to me about you. If you were my boss I would be sacked with no recall. And I have been in a management position such as this in my own work experience! I believe you need to open your eyes to the possibility that while Smith may be a pain to work with in some areas, he is still worth keeping on till his contract expires as we don't live in a perfect world with no injuries, no rep duty call ups, no perfect refs etc etc etc

sure, there are factors, I never said that you shouldn't take into account everything.

but let me ask you this - if a coach (whoever it may be) has lost the large majority of the dressing room, hypothetically speaking of course, then you still think its appropriate to stick by the coach?

[fletch]

Smith has done the job he was brought here to do, he has cleaned out a lot of the dead wood/perceived trouble makers from the squad and put a focus on our junior talent, however it seems things have reached a point where the squad is no longer receptive to his coaching methods, there are very few players that have shown development over the last 12 months and in many cases have gone backwards.

the question needs to be asked now is he the right man to take this squad forward

unfortunately due to the salary cap era it is virtually impossible to re-shape a playing squad in quick time and it is quite often the coach that goes when things are not working out.

it seems the playing group are still playing for each other but there must be question as to whether they are playing for Smith and his gameplan, this is both a credit/failure on Smiths part, its great the players are sticking together and its proof that recruitment is heading in the right direction, with a few obvious parts still needed.

the way things are shaking out it is a very important six weeks for the club, be very affraid if Stuart is not coaching the Raiders in six weeks time as all indications is Uncle Nick could be about to make another very poor coaching appointment.

[Guest]

Stuart isnt poor,,,he'll bring alot of descipline to the team something we have lacked since he left,,

[Guest]

Most of our losses have come because of bad desciplne,,i think if we fix that then everything else we come into place

[mightyrooster]

sure, there are factors, I never said that you shouldn't take into account everything.

but let me ask you this - if a coach (whoever it may be) has lost the large majority of the dressing room, hypothetically speaking of course, then you still think its appropriate to stick by the coach?

Firstly I strongly disagree. There have been countless occasions where you have rubbished other peoples' opinions when they raise such factors, with you labeling them as 'EXCUSES'. I do not have the time or know how to retrieve such quotes but if I did I would suggest there would be many.

I believe it is appropriate to look at all the factors in why the coach has supposedly lost the dressing room - and I HATE that saying BTW. It may well be simply that the team is losing morale / motivation because the team keeps losing despite playing very well. It may be a disgruntled captain who has the shits because the coach didn't want him anymore and he's playing the players off against the coach. It may be that they are sick of annoying text messages keeping them awake at night. I believe it's important to give the coach a fair hearing and not assume that the players are the only ones in the right.I also believe if we were in the 8 and had a few 50/50 things go our way we wouldn't even be talking about this!