What Smith Wanted

[stsae]

Firstly I strongly disagree. There have been countless occasions where you have rubbished other peoples' opinions when they raise such factors, with you labeling them as 'EXCUSES'. I do not have the time or know how to retrieve such quotes but if I did I would suggest there would be many.

I believe it is appropriate to look at all the factors in why the coach has supposedly lost the dressing room - and I HATE that saying BTW. It may well be simply that the team is losing morale / motivation because the team keeps losing despite playing very well. It may be a disgruntled captain who has the shits because the coach didn't want him anymore and he's playing the players off against the coach. It may be that they are sick of annoying text messages keeping them awake at night. I believe it's important to give the coach a fair hearing and not assume that the players are the only ones in the right.I also believe if we were in the 8 and had a few 50/50 things go our way we wouldn't even be talking about this!

Fredo would.

IMO the "lost the dressing room" shit is another excuse. It's a players excuse. It's very common theses days when players don't like a coach or as you said lose a few games.

Fredo likes his excuses but not our excuses it would seem.

[Guest]

Smith has done the job he was brought here to do, he has cleaned out a lot of the dead wood/perceived trouble makers from the squad and put a focus on our junior talent, however it seems things have reached a point where the squad is no longer receptive to his coaching methods, there are very few players that have shown development over the last 12 months and in many cases have gone backwards.

the question needs to be asked now is he the right man to take this squad forward

unfortunately due to the salary cap era it is virtually impossible to re-shape a playing squad in quick time and it is quite often the coach that goes when things are not working out.

it seems the playing group are still playing for each other but there must be question as to whether they are playing for Smith and his gameplan, this is both a credit/failure on Smiths part, its great the players are sticking together and its proof that recruitment is heading in the right direction, with a few obvious parts still needed.

the way things are shaking out it is a very important six weeks for the club, be very affraid if Stuart is not coaching the Raiders in six weeks time as all indications is Uncle Nick could be about to make another very poor coaching appointment.

yep I have expressed my concern about that happening previously.

[Guest]

Firstly I strongly disagree. There have been countless occasions where you have rubbished other peoples' opinions when they raise such factors, with you labeling them as 'EXCUSES'. I do not have the time or know how to retrieve such quotes but if I did I would suggest there would be many.

I believe it is appropriate to look at all the factors in why the coach has supposedly lost the dressing room - and I HATE that saying BTW. It may well be simply that the team is losing morale / motivation because the team keeps losing despite playing very well. It may be a disgruntled captain who has the shits because the coach didn't want him anymore and he's playing the players off against the coach. It may be that they are sick of annoying text messages keeping them awake at night. I believe it's important to give the coach a fair hearing and not assume that the players are the only ones in the right.I also believe if we were in the 8 and had a few 50/50 things go our way we wouldn't even be talking about this!

yes but the reality is that its not a new thing that has happened in the last couple of weeks only.

[mightyrooster]

Fredo would.

IMO the "lost the dressing room" shit is another excuse. It's a players excuse. It's very common theses days when players don't like a coach or as you said lose a few games.

Fredo likes his excuses but not our excuses it would seem.

Lol and lol again!

[Guest]

Fredo would.

IMO the "lost the dressing room" shit is another excuse. It's a players excuse. It's very common theses days when players don't like a coach or as you said lose a few games.

Fredo likes his excuses but not our excuses it would seem.

not my excuses.

[novice chook]

Fred, both Anderson and Fittler were huge blunders as far as coaching appointments were concerned. Both should never have been apointed.

I believe Brian Smith was the right choice for our club at the time. And I believe he should see out his contract. Nothing you say will convince me otherwise. Nothing is gained by getting another bloke in now, only to have him shafted in 2 years because the players don't like him any more, just like they apparently don't like any coach for more than a season. The players should just harden up and deal with it in as professional footballers should, or move on.

Your problem is Fred that whinging about the coaching staff is all you ever do - at least most of us mix it up a little and post on other subjects as well and are relatively positive at least some of the time!

NC

[Guest]

Fred, both Anderson and Fittler were huge blunders as far as coaching appointments were concerned. Both should never have been apointed.

I believe Brian Smith was the right choice for our club at the time. And I believe he should see out his contract. Nothing you say will convince me otherwise. Nothing is gained by getting another bloke in now, only to have him shafted in 2 years because the players don't like him any more, just like they apparently don't like any coach for more than a season. The players should just harden up and deal with it in as professional footballers should, or move on.

Your problem is Fred that whinging about the coaching staff is all you ever do - at least most of us mix it up a little and post on other subjects as well and are relatively positive at least some of the time!

NC

at least I am being consistent.

so are you saying that it doesnt matter what smith does - how bad he is or might be - he should stay the full term. Is that what you are saying? Take smith's name out of it because its never been anything personal about him. Put XXX coach name on there. you seem to think that it doesnt matter how badly he might do or how badly he is disliked - he should be allowed to stay the full course right? Are there any circumstances where you feel it would be warranted to sack a coach?

[Guest]

Most of our losses have come because of bad desciplne,,i think if we fix that then everything else we come into place

whose fault is that? whose job is it to fix that?

[redwhiteblue]

Fredo would.

IMO the "lost the dressing room" shit is another excuse. It's a players excuse. It's very common theses days when players don't like a coach or as you said lose a few games.

Fredo likes his excuses but not our excuses it would seem.

Wow! 20 something year old boys not liking their boss! This is news???
Certain sections (not all) of Generation Whine do not like being told what to do by a person in authority. One of the past Parra coaches said if he could get his players to take their ipods out of their ears for 5 minutes and actually listen to what he was trying to coach, they may have had more success. Could you imagine players doing that in the Jack Gibson era? I think not.

[novice chook]

at least I am being consistent.

so are you saying that it doesnt matter what smith does - how bad he is or might be - he should stay the full term. Is that what you are saying? Take smith's name out of it because its never been anything personal about him. Put XXX coach name on there. you seem to think that it doesnt matter how badly he might do or how badly he is disliked - he should be allowed to stay the full course right? Are there any circumstances where you feel it would be warranted to sack a coach?

Fred the issue is that sacking the coach solves nothing, because the next one only suffers the same fate 2 years later. It's time to start looking hard at why the same player unrest issues supposed keep recurring, no matter who the coach is. If it is an attitude and a belief within the playing group that whinging about the coach will bring about a sacking and replacement, then the cycle will continue until the players who are causing the most problems are weeded out and moved on, no matter how talented they are.

Otherwise coaches keep getting sacked, our performances don't improve long term and the circle just keeps turning in the same direction.

The players are professionals, they have to learn to deal with the fact they may not like their superiors. That shouldn't stop them from doing the job they are paid to do - play football. No reason it can't be the same for them as it is for the rest of them. I have worked for bosses I didn't like, but have done the job to the best of my ability because it's what my employers are bloody well paying me to do!

Work is not about winning a popularity contest or even being a part of one- it is about getting the job done professionally and to the best of your ability.

NC

[Guest]

What Smith wanted.

Probably to come to a new team, have some success & happy times?

[Guest]

Novice, you aren't suggesting that employees should have to put up with anything from their employers are you?

[Guest]

Novice, you aren't suggesting that employees should have to put up with anything from their employers are you?

I dont know the in's & out's of the Roosters at the management, board or coaching level I only read things on here. I have always read & heard that Nick interferes with the footy team but this has always been hear say.

So in regards to Smithy I personally dont think Nick has an influence over him or tells him who to pick I think that is all him & his coaching team. But if Smith was allowing Nick to dictate to him then the Roosters are 1 fuced up club.

When it comes to recruiting I think Nick has a say, not the full say.

fred I think the Roosters should honour his contract because thats what contracts are written for but beyond that I think they should try & poach Bellamy. Do what the Dogs did with Des & offer him so much of the lovely that he couldn't say no.

[Guest]

Mickey, I know as much as you.

But are you saying that there's no circumstances that should result in the coach from being sacked because a contract is a contract?

[SConcierge]

I dont know the in's & out's of the Roosters at the management, board or coaching level I only read things on here. I have always read & heard that Nick interferes with the footy team but this has always been hear say.

So in regards to Smithy I personally dont think Nick has an influence over him or tells him who to pick I think that is all him & his coaching team. But if Smith was allowing Nick to dictate to him then the Roosters are 1 fuced up club.

When it comes to recruiting I think Nick has a say, not the full say.

fred I think the Roosters should honour his contract because thats what contracts are written for but beyond that I think they should try & poach Bellamy. Do what the Dogs did with Des & offer him so much of the lovely that he couldn't say no.

I agree mate especially about bellamy, dont know if ur watching the game tonight , they are looking good ... the big three are out + chambers is out and they have structure, less missed tackles then tigers, 3 penalties, 3 erros, high completion in wet conditions , half time 2 all. That team of storm kids would towel us!!!! anyone who thinks bellamy cant coach needs to watch this game.