Embarrassing

[Steggles]

Coach Robinson is the head coach, with a number of assistant coaches and consultants under him who have various roles, including the development of players, i.e., defence, attack, kick, etc.

Head coaches oversee this.

No different from a workplace where the manager will have staff under them who are in supervisory roles. The manager doesn't do their job as well as their own.

Yes, but a manager’s role is to set the direction/strategy and ensure that his/her supervisors are doing their jobs in achieving that direction/strategy. If one of the coaching staff isn’t doing their job in developing players, then that’s on the Head Coach for not addressing it. You can’t absolve Robbo from the responsibility of developing players because he has other coaches under him; that’s just nonsense.

Did you intend to post as King Salvo or SamKerrSimp? I’m not so sure.

[Bates]

Yes, but a manager’s role is to set the direction/strategy and ensure that his/her supervisors are doing their jobs in achieving that direction/strategy. If one of the coaching staff isn’t doing their job in developing players, then that’s on the Head Coach for not addressing it. You can’t absolve Robbo from the responsibility of developing players because he has other coaches under him; that’s just nonsense.

Did you intend to post as King Salvo or SamKerrSimp? I’m not so sure.

The buck stops with the coach. Always has and always will in professional sport. This is why they earn a ridiculous amount of money and why they're offloaded when things go bad.

[King Salvo]

Yes, but a manager’s role is to set the direction/strategy and ensure that his/her supervisors are doing their jobs in achieving that direction/strategy. If one of the coaching staff isn’t doing their job in developing players, then that’s on the Head Coach for not addressing it. You can’t absolve Robbo from the responsibility of developing players because he has other coaches under him; that’s just nonsense.

Did you intend to post as King Salvo or SamKerrSimp? I’m not so sure.

I only post on here as the one and only King Salvo - I think a few on here have multiple profiles and personalities

Not saying Coach Robinson is absolved from any responsibility but he's not like some coaches who were/are more hands on - Coach Robinson couldn't develop a half back having never played in that position which is why they have Cooper Cronk as a halves consultant.

[SamKerrSimp]

Manu dogged it for 2 years you can't force motivation on someone to not be a cat
Keary played better than 2 or 3 good games a year the criticism he gets is over the top
Hutchison played centre because we were reduce to playing guys like Naiqama, Momirovski and Paulo.
As for Smith he had a great season in 2021 when Cody Walker had about 50 try assists and Tom Turbo couldn't stop scoring because the NRL rules that season were absurd with the increase in the pace of play. Walker and Smith haven't got back to anywhere near their 2021 form, some players benefited massively from that early Vlandys era of nonsense.

Let's not forget that Smith was badly on the outer with Bellamy in 2022 his form dropped off a cliff he was calling referees cheats and airing out the dirty laundry of Melbourne in public, he's basically come in to the Roosters and continued where he left off in 2022.

Robinson deserves quite a few criticisms in recent years, eg for allowing the squad quality to fall away so that we need Hutchison to play centre or the Walker/Keary fiasco of 2023 but putting the blame on the coach for the piss weak performances of Crichton, Manu and Smith is a bit harsh.

I like the fact that Robinson is putting a reset on the squad, the very first thing he did as coach of the club in 2012 was put the broom through the joint and dumped a bunch of under performers, shit attitudes and shit trainers I hope that's what he is doing now.

[Bates]

Manu dogged it for 2 years you can't force motivation on someone to not be a cat
Keary played better than 2 or 3 good games a year the criticism he gets is over the top
Hutchison played centre because we were reduce to playing guys like Naiqama, Momirovski and Paulo.
As for Smith he had a great season in 2021 when Cody Walker had about 50 try assists and Tom Turbo couldn't stop scoring because the NRL rules that season were absurd with the increase in the pace of play. Walker and Smith haven't got back to anywhere near their 2021 form, some players benefited massively from that early Vlandys era of nonsense.

Let's not forget that Smith was badly on the outer with Bellamy in 2022 his form dropped off a cliff he was calling referees cheats and airing out the dirty laundry of Melbourne in public, he's basically come in to the Roosters and continued where he left off in 2022.

Robinson deserves quite a few criticisms in recent years, eg for allowing the squad quality to fall away so that we need Hutchison to play centre or the Walker/Keary fiasco of 2023 but putting the blame on the coach for the piss weak performances of Crichton, Manu and Smith is a bit harsh.

I like the fact that Robinson is putting a reset on the squad, the very first thing he did as coach of the club in 2012 was put the broom through the joint and dumped a bunch of under performers, shit attitudes and shit trainers I hope that's what he is doing now.

Manu should've been playing Reggies. Robbo just didn't have the balls to drop him! Something was obviously bothering him. It's Robbo's job to get to the bottom of it and get him performing like a $800k plus player.

His form didn't bother me. It was his lack of effort and desire that still sh+ts me!

[mightyrooster]

I think you're probably right, Robinson fielded a lot of questions this year about recruitment and he was very staunch on the idea that we would be developing from within and that he wouldn't be bringing in players from the outside to block the path of a young player coming through the ranks.

There seems to be a big emphasis on the Roosters academy which was set up in 2021, focusing on players 16-19yrs of age who in 2025 will be 20-23 years of age coming through the ranks now plus future generations who would've started off in the academy since.

I've been vocally critical on this over the last couple of years but in my opinion we had bit of a lull post Peter O'sullivan in terms of successfully identifying and developing young talent. The last successful crop to come through in my opinion was the Manu/Butcher/Watson/Radley/Latrell/Tupouniua class. Since then it's been few and far between and often recruited on first grade contracts (Walker & Suaalii) instead of developed through our junior reps.

If the club feels like it has the junior talent coming through the ranks to build a future premiership side and I think there was a lot of evidence of that in the back half of the NSW Cup season once they were all fit and playing together then I think that's something to get excited about. I certainly think it's more exciting than the player movement market which for mine should always be used as the icing on the cake.

I think the effects of Cooper Cronk and SBW always get overplayed when breaking down and analysing the success of our premiership seasons. They were key elements and it's a fair and logical argument to say we wouldn't have won those premierships without them. But it is also logical and fair to say that there was only a one or two clubs in each of those season that they could've gone to and won a premiership with. The base was built for them to come in and add the final touch of class. Think Boyd Cordner, Mitch Aubusson, Joey Manu, Latrell Mithcell, Jake Friend, & Victor Radley.

The same goes for coaches, Ivan Cleary lost more games than he won in his first 4 years at the Panthers, had a 50% win rate at the Warriors and a 42% win rate and the Tigers. Now he's just won 4 premierships in a row. The Tigers didn't just magically turn a coach who couldn't win more than half his games throughout a 12 year coaching career into some kind of a magician. Their ability of the Panthers pathways to continually replenish their squad, the depth they hold within their top 30 players and the identification of some generational talent early on in their careers has been the key to their success. Good coaching and some smart signings has helped but it's not the key ingredient to their success, at least in my opinion anyway.

The last decade and a bit has spoiled us as fans and I think distorted our perception of reality, the premise that 3rd and a prelim final was a "shite season" is one I see shared by many of our fans which is wild. But I hold confidence in the underlying rebuilding of the clubs pathway systems post the Peter O'sullivan era as a really exciting step in the right direction and if that's the path we're headed down this season the I'm here for it as if it's done right its benefits will outlast any Terrell May or David Fifita saga the club endures.

Well said. I remember an article from Gould a fair while back where he pointed out that the successful premiership winning teams over the years were not the ones which had one or two star players but the ones where the core of the team has been developed from within. Where the bulk of the players have gone through the grades together, just like our 2002 and 2018/19 teams. The media and other fans go on about us buying premierships and all that rubbish but when we are dominating it’s usually because we’ve had that core group of players developed within the Roosters system with a few key star purchases like SBW / Maloney / Jennings or Teddy/ Cronk / Keary etc thrown in. The one thing I will say about Robbo, and I admit to being a loyal fan, is that he does need to tinker with things more to adapt to this new version of rugby league with 6a and milking penalties and understand that possession is the key thing now. Maybe we need to taper off on the high risk style of footy he seems to favour?

[SamKerrSimp]

Manu should've been playing Reggies. Robbo just didn't have the balls to drop him! Something was obviously bothering him. It's Robbo's job to get to the bottom of it and get him performing like a $800k plus player.

His form didn't bother me. It was his lack of effort and desire that still sh+ts me!

I agree with your sentiment that his effort deserved dropping in to the NSW cup but it's just not going to happen with an $800k player these days you are stuck with them and just move them on at the end of the year. Manu really disappointed me in the last 2 years. I went to Henson park one year when the Jets were our feeder team and Greg Eastwood was jogging around the park earning an enormous amount of money from the Dogs to be fat and lazy so clubs are damned if they do and damned if they don't but that's the nature of the modern game where they get massive contracts of guaranteed money, once a player gives up there's nothing you can do.

[Bates]

I agree with your sentiment that his effort deserved dropping in to the NSW cup but it's just not going to happen with an $800k player these days you are stuck with them and just move them on at the end of the year. Manu really disappointed me in the last 2 years. I went to Henson park one year when the Jets were our feeder team and Greg Eastwood was jogging around the park earning an enormous amount of money from the Dogs to be fat and lazy so clubs are damned if they do and damned if they don't but that's the nature of the modern game where they get massive contracts of guaranteed money, once a player gives up there's nothing you can do.

Problem is that you'll never win a comp when a player like Manu is just going through the motions so you may as well make an example of them and hope that they pull their finger out. His lack of appetite disheartens others and can spread through the team like the plague. 1 bag egg can derail your season and cost you your job. E.g Souffs, Latrell Mitchell, Jason Demetriou.

[On the Nose]

Most of you were happy to kick out Pearce who played just shy of 250 matches for the club in over 10 years for a blow in from Melbourne but telling Terrell May to move on is where the line gets drawn.

Sam Verrills got kicked out to little concern from the fans just to satiate the marquee signing demand and how’s that gone? But Terrell May is where we are concerned. Getting rid of all the idiots from that video would be a smart move.

Pretty sure Pearce didn't hear about his sacking from Danny Weidler while overseas after having recently been upgraded. There is a line, that did get drawn for Terrell May because most of us have an innate sense of fairness. The entire May miscarriage, for want of a better word, just doesn't sit right with a lot of people. Won't until Easy come out and explain.

[Eggspert]

If we want to beat the Riff and Storm, which everyone rightly harps on about, something has to change. Perhaps this is part of that something? We don’t know exactly what is going on with our recruitment at the moment but clearly something is happening. We also don’t know the full details of the May situation. I agree we paid way too much for Smith. He’s not worth that much and it’s a problem that needs to be addressed. Do fans seriously think he’s worth what we’re paying him?

Something has to change all right.

It's the guy who's coming into his 13th year as coach.

Apart from Bellamy who has his team consistently performing at a high level year after year nobody else should be coaching that long at one club. I believe Robbo's tenure at the chooks has run its course.

New idea's & a fresh approach are needed.

The gap between the top 2 & us is widening, not narrowing.. & the tight ship that Robbo once ran is sinking going off the player contract drama this year.

Love & respect what he's done for the club in the past but its time to move on.

[King Salvo]

Well said. I remember an article from Gould a fair while back where he pointed out that the successful premiership winning teams over the years were not the ones which had one or two star players but the ones where the core of the team has been developed from within. Where the bulk of the players have gone through the grades together, just like our 2002 and 2018/19 teams. The media and other fans go on about us buying premierships and all that rubbish but when we are dominating it’s usually because we’ve had that core group of players developed within the Roosters system with a few key star purchases like SBW / Maloney / Jennings or Teddy/ Cronk / Keary etc thrown in. The one thing I will say about Robbo, and I admit to being a loyal fan, is that he does need to tinker with things more to adapt to this new version of rugby league with 6a and milking penalties and understand that possession is the key thing now. Maybe we need to taper off on the high risk style of footy he seems to favour?

Have to stop Gould from signing the up and comers as well - Jai Callaghan Central Coast Roosters the latest one signed by the Dogs

[Eggspert]

I think you're probably right, Robinson fielded a lot of questions this year about recruitment and he was very staunch on the idea that we would be developing from within and that he wouldn't be bringing in players from the outside to block the path of a young player coming through the ranks.

There seems to be a big emphasis on the Roosters academy which was set up in 2021, focusing on players 16-19yrs of age who in 2025 will be 20-23 years of age coming through the ranks now plus future generations who would've started off in the academy since.

I've been vocally critical on this over the last couple of years but in my opinion we had bit of a lull post Peter O'sullivan in terms of successfully identifying and developing young talent. The last successful crop to come through in my opinion was the Manu/Butcher/Watson/Radley/Latrell/Tupouniua class. Since then it's been few and far between and often recruited on first grade contracts (Walker & Suaalii) instead of developed through our junior reps.

If the club feels like it has the junior talent coming through the ranks to build a future premiership side and I think there was a lot of evidence of that in the back half of the NSW Cup season once they were all fit and playing together then I think that's something to get excited about. I certainly think it's more exciting than the player movement market which for mine should always be used as the icing on the cake.

I think the effects of Cooper Cronk and SBW always get overplayed when breaking down and analysing the success of our premiership seasons. They were key elements and it's a fair and logical argument to say we wouldn't have won those premierships without them. But it is also logical and fair to say that there was only a one or two clubs in each of those season that they could've gone to and won a premiership with. The base was built for them to come in and add the final touch of class. Think Boyd Cordner, Mitch Aubusson, Joey Manu, Latrell Mithcell, Jake Friend, & Victor Radley.

The same goes for coaches, Ivan Cleary lost more games than he won in his first 4 years at the Panthers, had a 50% win rate at the Warriors and a 42% win rate and the Tigers. Now he's just won 4 premierships in a row. The Tigers didn't just magically turn a coach who couldn't win more than half his games throughout a 12 year coaching career into some kind of a magician. Their ability of the Panthers pathways to continually replenish their squad, the depth they hold within their top 30 players and the identification of some generational talent early on in their careers has been the key to their success. Good coaching and some smart signings has helped but it's not the key ingredient to their success, at least in my opinion anyway.

The last decade and a bit has spoiled us as fans and I think distorted our perception of reality, the premise that 3rd and a prelim final was a "shite season" is one I see shared by many of our fans which is wild. But I hold confidence in the underlying rebuilding of the clubs pathway systems post the Peter O'sullivan era as a really exciting step in the right direction and if that's the path we're headed down this season the I'm here for it as if it's done right its benefits will outlast any Terrell May or David Fifita saga the club endures.

If we didn't have a team littered with current & former Origin & International test players & a very experienced head coach then I would agree.

Yeah we came "3rd" but then embarrassingly conceded 16 tries in 3 finals games & looked like a 13th placed team.

We are declining under Robbo the last 5yrs.

Why can Bellamy lose top players year after year but still coach his team to a high consistent level?

[King Salvo]

Something has to change all right.

It's the guy who's coming into his 13th year as coach.

Apart from Bellamy who has his team consistently performing at a high level year after year nobody else should be coaching that long at one club. I believe Robbo's tenure at the chooks has run its course.

New idea's & a fresh approach are needed.

The gap between the top 2 & us is widening, not narrowing.. & the tight ship that Robbo once ran is sinking going off the player contract drama this year.

Love & respect what he's done for the club in the past but its time to move on.

You must be chomping at the bit for the 2025 season to start. Someone may start up a thread with a poll of how many get rid of Coach Robinson threads you will start in 2025.

Storm last won in 2020 and Roosters in 2019, so only 1 year difference to the last premiership.

There is a gap between 1 and 2, you can say too, as demonstrated by a third gear Penrith accounting for the Storm without too much bother in a very dour GF.

Storm, the best team all year with the best spine, were still no match for the relentless Boa constrictor Penrith game style.

[SamKerrSimp]

Pretty sure Pearce didn't hear about his sacking from Danny Weidler while overseas after having recently been upgraded. There is a line, that did get drawn for Terrell May because most of us have an innate sense of fairness. The entire May miscarriage, for want of a better word, just doesn't sit right with a lot of people. Won't until Easy come out and explain.

The club signed Cronk under Pearce's nose without talking to him about it knowing it would make him leave the club.

[King Salvo]

If we didn't have a team littered with current & former Origin & International test players & a very experienced head coach then I would agree.

Yeah we came "3rd" but then embarrassingly conceded 16 tries in 3 finals games & looked like a 13th placed team.

We are declining under Robbo the last 5yrs.

Why can Bellamy lose top players year after year but still coach his team to a high consistent level?

Those Penrith's teams were/are littered with a stack of current SOO and International players as well - I recall 15 of the 17 from their GF team in 2022 played International Footy at the RL World Cup that year - Australia /NZ/Tonga/Samoa/Fiji and a stack have played SOO and International footy since. 2023 and 2024

I seem to recall the Roosters have played finals footy each of the past 5 years—mmm, not bad for a declining team, one would say. - only missed playing finals once from 2013 to 2024 which was 2016.

How many Premierships has the Storm won since 2013 compared to the Roosters? I forget