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[King Salvo]

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Yes I get your point, there is a department. But the Head Coach is all over recruitment. It's his final say. He's the CEO of football. All decisions are on him.

Joe Kelly is the Roosters CEO

[Eggspert]

How do you know players have stopped listening?

I am confident they will make the 8

Dirty Laundry: Clubs move players on all the time. Of course it could be done better and kept in house, but that's the way it is. - Look at Ben Hunt and the Dragons saga which has dragged on for 18 months or more.

I trust the views of Mitchell Aubusson, Jake Friend, and Boyd Cordner and suggest this could be a turning point in player attitude/club culture in that players have to be 100% committed to the cause.

Whatever he planned & was telling them to do against Storm & Panthers certainly didn't work.

It actually hasn't worked for the last 5yrs as 1 -24 record suggests.

The first 20min in both those games looked like he didn't spend one session with them. Obviously he did so whatever the plan was it was either really inept or the players just didn't believe it or didn't want to take it in.

Which one do you believe it is? Inept coaching or players not listening to the message anymore?

If he's instructing them to be the most penalised & error prone team every year then yes they are listening to that message.

Aubo, Cords & Friend can have an impact on everything else apart from the performance on game day which is Robbo's job.

[Eggspert]

Last year the Melbourne Storm came 3rd and conceded 12 tries in 3 finals games, and were knocked out by the Panthers 38-4 in the prelim final.

Why is this considered a "high consistent level" but Robinson gets criticism?

Help me understand the difference.

So you cherry pick one bad Storm result to make a case?

At least Bellamy hasn't got a woeful 1 - 24 record against Panthers & Roosters.the last 5yrs.

Didn't see the Storm needing to win 8 & 10 games in a row for 2 consecutive years just to make the 8.

Cleary & Bellamy never have their teams shooting themselves in the foot constantly with penalties & errors...something a smart coach will quickly fix.

You rarely see a Bellamy coached team concede easy tries straight through the middle.

The last 5yrs Bellamy & Cleary have totally exposed Robbo as being a coach who's out of ideas & stayed too long.

[mightyrooster]

Last year the Melbourne Storm came 3rd and conceded 12 tries in 3 finals games, and were knocked out by the Panthers 38-4 in the prelim final.

Why is this considered a "high consistent level" but Robinson gets criticism?

Help me understand the difference.

Brilliant question.

[Rooster_6]

So you cherry pick one bad Storm result to make a case?

I don't think the Storm making a prelim final last year is a bad result, I just pointed out your inconsistency in analysis. You critique one yet praise the other, I'm just asking you to explain your rationale.

Didn't see the Storm needing to win 8 & 10 games in a row for 2 consecutive years just to make the 8.

You've never seen the Roosters needing to win 8 & 10 games in a row 2 consecutive years just to make the 8 either. This is an emotional re-writing of history caused by confirmation bias.

Cleary & Bellamy never have their teams shooting themselves in the foot constantly with penalties & errors...something a smart coach will quickly fix.

I think the styles are different sure, the winning style is always seen as the right one but if there's one thing I've learnt following sport is styles are cyclical and come in and out of fashion quicker than than a Wayne Bennett coaching stint.

You rarely see a Bellamy coached team concede easy tries straight through the middle.

Last year the Melbourne Storm conceded 15 tries through the middle of the field, the Roosters 16. Again this feels like confirmation bias, you've drawn your conclusion and you'll look for anything in a game to try and justify it when the facts are telling a different story. Remove the emotion out of it.

The last 5yrs Bellamy & Cleary have totally exposed Robbo as being a coach who's out of ideas & stayed too long.

I don't think coaches have that much impact, I think all three are very good coaches and all have had moments in the spotlight over the last decade where their way was the "right way" but like I said before I think their impact is overstated and the success of a team has more to do with the playing group than the coaches. Right now Cleary has the best squad of players in the league with a great pathways system to constantly replenish from, I don't think the Panthers won the Grand Final because Cleary is a better coach than Bellamy. The equation is far more nuanced than that.

[King Salvo]

Whatever he planned & was telling them to do against Storm & Panthers certainly didn't work.

It actually hasn't worked for the last 5yrs as 1 -24 record suggests.

The first 20min in both those games looked like he didn't spend one session with them. Obviously he did so whatever the plan was it was either really inept or the players just didn't believe it or didn't want to take it in.

Which one do you believe it is? Inept coaching or players not listening to the message anymore?

If he's instructing them to be the most penalised & error prone team every year then yes they are listening to that message.

Aubo, Cords & Friend can have an impact on everything else apart from the performance on game day which is Robbo's job.

It didn't work for anyone else as far as competing against Penrith is concerned.

Ditto above - Parramatta has the best record vs both Penrith and Storm and have zilch premierships to show for it.

Crucial and incorrect decisions in those games - Roosters down 24-10 and denied a fair try with an incorrect forward pass ruling - should have been 24-16 and game on - Ditto Storm with Roosters down 24-18 - Strom knock on not ruled plus an offside - Roosters should have have awarded a penalty - Storm score and convert to make it 30-18 instead.

Your claim players have stopped listening - provide evidence of your statement.

The Roosters were either number 1 or close to it as a penalised side when they won comps in 2013/2018/2019 plus in the errors department as well.

By game day the Coaches Job has been done as far preparing for games go - The onus then is on the players to perform once they cross the white line.

[ARD]

Few takeaways from this thread;

Cronk and SBW were absolutely central to our winning comps, we lack that type of leadership and impact now with a strong squad. It takes that special player to make the 1-2% difference in a result.

Cheese better than others available at club/ on market. Contribution below price tag but it’s a shallow position generally across the board - especially factoring in Robbos game style.

Robbo in the top 3-4 coaches and that’s where we end up most years. Same as above point, we’ve been primed with a squad but injuries, a lack of leadership/ elite class, and coming up against the best team in 20+ years doesn’t help.

Show me an all time great available, a better rake, a better coach and then we can talk.

[King Salvo]

So you cherry pick one bad Storm result to make a case?

At least Bellamy hasn't got a woeful 1 - 24 record against Panthers & Roosters.the last 5yrs.

Didn't see the Storm needing to win 8 & 10 games in a row for 2 consecutive years just to make the 8.

Cleary & Bellamy never have their teams shooting themselves in the foot constantly with penalties & errors...something a smart coach will quickly fix.

You rarely see a Bellamy coached team concede easy tries straight through the middle.

The last 5yrs Bellamy & Cleary have totally exposed Robbo as being a coach who's out of ideas & stayed too long.

As I said Parramatta has the best record vs Storm and Penrith and Zilch Premierships to show for it.

Irrelevant statement as Storm had the best team and best spine and were no match for the Penrith machine despite beating them both times during the regular season in 2024 - 8.0 and 24-22.

Can you explain then why Storm could not beat Penrith in the Gf as surely having beaten them both times during the regular season they should have the wood on then as far a third game goes. As I said Penrith never got out of third ear and accounted for the Storm without having to play at their peak.

Winning that many games in a row is a testament to Coach Robinson's coaching then - how many other teams won 8 or 10 in row during that period.

Your statement of the Roosters shooting themselves in the foot because of errors and penalties is not the case as the below states shows when they won those comps

2013

Penalties conceded -1
Errors - 4th

2018

Penalties conceded - 3
Errors - 1

2019

Penalties conceded - 2
Errors - 1


Storm lost the 2024 GF so irrelevant about tries conceded through the middle.

If you think Coach Robinson has run out of ideas then the other 15 coaches have as well as far as beating Penrith these past 4 yeas - Bellamy had the best team and spine in 2024 but still lost. Can you explain how that could happen as the Storm beat Penrith both times during the regular season

You changed your tune from a GF being the only option for a successful season to teams making the grand final and losing as being deemed a successful season. Can you explain what a successful season is?

[King Salvo]

Robbo is faded. Remember when the Chooks were equal number one in the Player's poll of teams you'd want to go to / coaches you'd want to have? Distant memory.

He needs to be Director of Football or something higher up.

Get someone else to actually coach.

And not any of our buffoonish retired players on the coaching retirement program.

An actual coach.

Me.

In which way has Coach Robinson failed? Remember that he achieved something that 8 or 9 teams failed to achieve in 11 of the 12 of his seasons as head coach in making it to finals/postseason. Won 3 comps

As Brian Snitker said, that's an achievement in itself to make it to finals/post season as he manages a team in a 162 game regular season comp. Brian makes the valid point that to progress further postseason depends on the health of your roster.

[Bansai Pipeline]

In which way has Coach Robinson failed? Remember that he achieved something that 8 or 9 teams failed to achieve in 11 of the 12 of his seasons as head coach in making it to finals/postseason. Won 3 comps

As Brian Snitker said, that's an achievement in itself to make it to finals/post season as he manages a team in a 162 game regular season comp. Brian makes the valid point that to progress further postseason depends on the health of your roster.

All good points.

That team he had in 2018-19 stands out as one of the greatest squads of talent ever.

Point is he’s been unable to transition.

He really hasn’t been able to build a post 6-again football team.

The roster is on Robbo ultimately.

I actually reckon O’Sullivan had more to do with our success. And tbh I’d be tempted to swap our entire squad for the team POS assembled at the Dolphins.

Our rag tag group of old boys, mini halves, GPS moon shots, rugby converts and whatever off contract superstar becomes available is frankly not up to serious standard

[Steggles]

As I said Parramatta has the best record vs Storm and Penrith and Zilch Premierships to show for it.

Irrelevant statement as Storm had the best team and best spine and were no match for the Penrith machine despite beating them both times during the regular season in 2024 - 8.0 and 24-22.

Can you explain then why Storm could not beat Penrith in the Gf as surely having beaten them both times during the regular season they should have the wood on then as far a third game goes. As I said Penrith never got out of third ear and accounted for the Storm without having to play at their peak.

Winning that many games in a row is a testament to Coach Robinson's coaching then - how many other teams won 8 or 10 in row during that period.

Your statement of the Roosters shooting themselves in the foot because of errors and penalties is not the case as the below states shows when they won those comps

2013

Penalties conceded -1
Errors - 4th

2018

Penalties conceded - 3
Errors - 1

2019

Penalties conceded - 2
Errors - 1


Storm lost the 2024 GF so irrelevant about tries conceded through the middle.

If you think Coach Robinson has run out of ideas then the other 15 coaches have as well as far as beating Penrith these past 4 yeas - Bellamy had the best team and spine in 2024 but still lost. Can you explain how that could happen as the Storm beat Penrith both times during the regular season

You changed your tune from a GF being the only option for a successful season to teams making the grand final and losing as being deemed a successful season. Can you explain what a successful season is?

You’ve mentioned quite often that you think the Storm had a better spine and a better team than Penrith. I’m genuinely interested as to why you think that?

Personally, I think it’s quite the opposite. Cleary is the best in the game by some margin, I reckon Edwards and Luai are both better than their counterparts and I think Kenny is a terrific dummy half and grossly underrated. Munster is an overrated Queenslander with huge brain-farts in his game and Pappy is as fragile as Billy Smith.

As to the rest of the team, I think Penrith has Melbourne covered over most of the park. IMO, the only Storm players this year that would have made Penrith starting 13 would be Katoa, Warbrick and Grant.

[Rooster_6]

The roster is on Robbo ultimately.

I actually reckon O’Sullivan had more to do with our success.

Make it make sense.

Either Robinson is ultimately in charge of the roster and therefore gets the credit and criticsim when it goes right or wrong or he's not. You can't just pick and choose when it's his fault and when it's someone else's success. It's illogical and feels like another case of confirmation bias.

[Rooster_6]

Few takeaways from this thread;

Cronk and SBW were absolutely central to our winning comps, we lack that type of leadership and impact now with a strong squad. It takes that special player to make the 1-2% difference in a result.

Cheese better than others available at club/ on market. Contribution below price tag but it’s a shallow position generally across the board - especially factoring in Robbos game style.

Robbo in the top 3-4 coaches and that’s where we end up most years. Same as above point, we’ve been primed with a squad but injuries, a lack of leadership/ elite class, and coming up against the best team in 20+ years doesn’t help.

Show me an all time great available, a better rake, a better coach and then we can talk.

I think Reece Robson is a better talent and a better fit for our roster who's currently on the market.

I also think Jayden Brailey whilst maybe not as talented as Cheese is a better fit for our side. Blake Mozer is someone I've mentioned multiple times on here too that I'd go after but given it's all potential there is risk there.

All in all though I do agree that if we were unable to get Reece Robson keeping Brandon Smith on a reduced contract wouldn't be a terrible outcome. He's not an elite dummy half but he's far from the worst too.

[Headless Chook]

All good points.

That team he had in 2018-19 stands out as one of the greatest squads of talent ever.

Point is he’s been unable to transition.

He really hasn’t been able to build a post 6-again football team.

The roster is on Robbo ultimately.

I actually reckon O’Sullivan had more to do with our success. And tbh I’d be tempted to swap our entire squad for the team POS assembled at the Dolphins.

Our rag tag group of old boys, mini halves, GPS moon shots, rugby converts and whatever off contract superstar becomes available is frankly not up to serious standard

Going by results, only Penrith have achieved this.

[ARD]

I think Reece Robson is a better talent and a better fit for our roster who's currently on the market.

I also think Jayden Brailey whilst maybe not as talented as Cheese is a better fit for our side. Blake Mozer is someone I've mentioned multiple times on here too that I'd go after but given it's all potential there is risk there.

All in all though I do agree that if we were unable to get Reece Robson keeping Brandon Smith on a reduced contract wouldn't be a terrible outcome. He's not an elite dummy half but he's far from the worst too.

I’d happily swap Smith for Robson.