Trent Robinson interview - SEN

[HunchoRooster]

Not according to this

https://www.zerotackle.com/players/terrell-may/

That's incorrect. I've ran into him and gotten a pic, there is no way he is 6ft, I'm 6ft 3 and he was taller than me.

[Rooster_6]

So why did he move away from it in the first place if it was so successful?

I don't think we ever fully moved away from it but there was definitely a noticeable enough deviation.

I think the issue was two fold, some of it deliberate and conscious and the rest just happened organically.

The deliberate and conscious was the decision to recruit players like Brandon Smith who appeared to have an advantage under the rule changes at the time before they were refined. Brandon Smith & Connor Watson both extremely strong ball runners around the ruck on top of Teddy, Manu and Radley would've killed the competition in 2021.

The organic was the emergence of May from the Bears, Angus Crichton's resurgence, Kearys inability to develop into an organising halfback and the signing of Justin Holbrook. When you looked at our squad last year we were stacked with strong ball carriers and high risk ball players. I think we just became an extremely over powered attacking side and we played to that strength. Which against 14 sides in the comp was very effective, just very ineffective against 2.

May, Keary & Brandon Smith moving on removes a lot of that unstructured play, I think a conscious and deliberate step back to a more balanced side and game plan.

[BTRD]

One thing we have developed into is a team that cannot handle pressure and just opens up terribly in defense. Re watch the prelim final, it looked like Munster at the end was walking thru us. Hope Mr Rooster style has/is focusing on the teams defense over the summer.

[Bondicigar]

I think offloading is a really interesting facet of the modern day game and I'm not sure there's any side who's been able to build a successful game plan on the back of being a high offload team.

In theory an effective offload should act like an extra tackle but from what I've had explained to me by people much closer and intelligent on the game there is no statistical evidence that suggests theres any benefit to the attacking side who throws an effective offload such as a noticeable increase in yardage or points scored on offload sets vs non-offload sets. Typically it's more often an outcome of the physical dominance of one side and therefore often mistakenly drawn as correlation for a successful style of play than a causation.

A good power running game is as much about the powerful running as it is the high tempo of a set and the theory is that an offload creates unstructured play which typically slows down the tempo of a set as the team is not set in structure to play fast.

I think Whytes defence was much worse than Mays so I don't think that played much of a role but you are right both had some very clean misses last year where they just didn't show up in spots they should've.

Offloads kill a team being dominated in the ruck , not much use looking to offload when losing the ruck. Simple no matter what the stats say
It's a simple game that can be spun to sound complicated imo.

[Bates]

I don't think we ever fully moved away from it but there was definitely a noticeable enough deviation.

I think the issue was two fold, some of it deliberate and conscious and the rest just happened organically.

The deliberate and conscious was the decision to recruit players like Brandon Smith who appeared to have an advantage under the rule changes at the time before they were refined. Brandon Smith & Connor Watson both extremely strong ball runners around the ruck on top of Teddy, Manu and Radley would've killed the competition in 2021.

The organic was the emergence of May from the Bears, Angus Crichton's resurgence, Kearys inability to develop into an organising halfback and the signing of Justin Holbrook. When you looked at our squad last year we were stacked with strong ball carriers and high risk ball players. I think we just became an extremely over powered attacking side and we played to that strength. Which against 14 sides in the comp was very effective, just very ineffective against 2.

May, Keary & Brandon Smith moving on removes a lot of that unstructured play, I think a conscious and deliberate step back to a more balanced side and game plan.

Bottom line is we go close to winning the comp last season if we were at full strength playing a style of footy that hasn't really changed much since 2013. May's ability and approach to the game had nothing to do with the end result! Does May get moved on if we won the comp? Most likely imo as I'm convinced it had nothing to do with his ability.

It's ridiculous to think that a player of May's calibre is surplus to needs especially after just upgrading his contract. I don't mind if good player get's moved on for an off field indiscretion but I'd like the club to be honest and stop pissing in our pockets.

[Bates]

I loved SBW offload to Maloney in the 2013 GF which got us back into the game. The ability to offload is a great skill for a forward to have. Key is to know when to pull the trigger. Risk vs reward. If you're up by 4 points with minutes to go you need to have the discipline to go to ground with the ball secured.

Penrith are the 2nd phase kings. Luai and Cleary are always thereabouts waiting for an offload.

[ism22]

Offloads kill a team being dominated in the ruck , not much use looking to offload when losing the ruck. Simple no matter what the stats say
It's a simple game that can be spun to sound complicated imo.

I feel they're a bit cheap but can give you a solid advantage when done at the right time as you get an extra tackle + momentum. That said the following two situations annoy me:

1. Teams just offloading for the sake of it and going nowhere (sometimes going backwards), with me being like 'bro just take the tackle!!!'

2. Teams that seem to get away with blatantly cheating by 'offloading' after the tackle has been completed. Casual opinion... I think because we're so good, refs often allow teams to do this against us as it keeps the game 'interesting'. It can be frigging annoying though, and is basically just a free extra tackle... not even momentum as they're too dumb to do anything with the leg-up (which would be a penalty against us if we did it coz the refs usually call 'tackled' on us ASAP, knowing we'll be sweet).

[Bates]

One thing we have developed into is a team that cannot handle pressure and just opens up terribly in defense. Re watch the prelim final, it looked like Munster at the end was walking thru us. Hope Mr Rooster style has/is focusing on the teams defense over the summer.

I was surprised at how poorly we defended on that edge. Gus put his cue in the rack which was disheartening to watch.

[Tennessee Tornado]

I was surprised at how poorly we defended on that edge. Gus put his cue in the rack which was disheartening to watch.

The whole team put the cue in rack for the last 10 mins.

[Rooster_6]

Bottom line is we go close to winning the comp last season if we were at full strength playing a style of footy that hasn't really changed much since 2013. May's ability and approach to the game had nothing to do with the end result! Does May get moved on if we won the comp? Most likely imo as I'm convinced it had nothing to do with his ability.

It's ridiculous to think that a player of May's calibre is surplus to needs especially after just upgrading his contract. I don't mind if good player get's moved on for an off field indiscretion but I'd like the club to be honest and stop pissing in our pockets.

We were not close to winning the comp, we never looked like beating Melbourne or Penrith this year, even with Walker & Smith so it’s an irrelevant point.

And you need to stop believing the Twitter trolls, that’s not someone peeing in your pocket.. you’re just peeing into a fan if you’re still buying that gossip.

[Rooster_6]

Offloads kill a team being dominated in the ruck , not much use looking to offload when losing the ruck. Simple no matter what the stats say
It's a simple game that can be spun to sound complicated imo.

Does the offload kill the team or is the offload an outcome of the team being dominated in the ruck?

Correlation Vs Causation.

[Rooster_6]

I loved SBW offload to Maloney in the 2013 GF which got us back into the game. The ability to offload is a great skill for a forward to have. Key is to know when to pull the trigger. Risk vs reward. If you're up by 4 points with minutes to go you need to have the discipline to go to ground with the ball secured.

Penrith are the 2nd phase kings. Luai and Cleary are always thereabouts waiting for an offload.

Parramatta threw the most offloads by a considerable margin this year. Cartwright & Paulo are probably two of the best at it.

It’s actually Luai for Penrith who throws the most offloads, their forwards are relatively conservative when it comes to offloads.

[Bates]

Parramatta threw the most offloads by a considerable margin this year. Cartwright & Paulo are probably two of the best at it.

It’s actually Luai for Penrith who throws the most offloads, their forwards are relatively conservative when it comes to offloads.

I'm not suggesting that teams should play hot potato. As mentioned in my above post "key is to know when to pull the trigger"

Quality timing over quantity is what make the Panthers successful in this department and we all know where the Eels playing system got them.

If you were coaching a team would you instruct your players to never offload and look for second phase play?

[Bates]

We were not close to winning the comp, we never looked like beating Melbourne or Penrith this year, even with Walker & Smith so it’s an irrelevant point.

And you need to stop believing the Twitter trolls, that’s not someone peeing in your pocket.. you’re just peeing into a fan if you’re still buying that gossip.

It has nothing to do with twitter. I don't read that shite!

It simply doesn't make sense and I'm not the only one on this forum who feels that way.

[Bates]

We were not close to winning the comp, we never looked like beating Melbourne or Penrith this year, even with Walker & Smith so it’s an irrelevant point.

And you need to stop believing the Twitter trolls, that’s not someone peeing in your pocket.. you’re just peeing into a fan if you’re still buying that gossip.

That's just your opinion so it's far from irrelevant to others.