MANU SIGNS FRENCH DEAL - Daily Tele

[top_joe]

So IF we were holding a spot for him and coin....interesting to see if we target anyone. You cant carry over most of your cap can you?

Just front end existing contracts, leaving more for next year,

[Bates]

Was pretty much non existent once he announced he was leaving for Japan. I think at the price he would want its better for both parties to move on

Apparently he had a great season last year according to some.

[King Salvo]

Can you give half a million up front to Sam Walker if he agrees to add a couple more years to his recently extended contract?

Of course they could do that but a new contract would need to be signed and registered with the NRL as terms of payment per season and contract length has changed.

I did some calcs a while back and couldn't see how the Roosters would spend close to the minimum 97.5% noting that players 27 or so to 30 are usually on min contracts - $135k in 2025 - based on 22 players signed at time and 8 spots to be filled with 1st year NRL squad players

Not seen a NRL Contract so the following is only an assumption if NRL clubs wanted to front load existing contracts - same duration length.

All depends on what the contract says as far as how payments are made one assumes -

As an example a player could sign a 3 year contract for 500k per season

Payments maybe listed in the contract as

1/11/2024 to 31/10/2025 - $500 k
1/11/2025 to 31/10/2026 - $500 k
1/11/2026 to 31/10/2027 - $500 k

Under the above if you wanted to front load the contract one assumes the relevant club would need the player to sign a new contract for this to occur - i.e pay $ 700k 1st year - 400k second year and 400k third year

or payments in the contract could be listed as

1.5 million over 3 years - negotiated with the player how much they receive each NRL season. i.e 1/11/xx to 31/10/xx

From 1/11/2024 to 31/10/2027

Under this contract as far as payments go a player could be paid $ 700k 1st year - 400k second year and 400k third year without the player having to sign a new contract as no yearly payment is mentioned. Just the contract duration and payment for the duration of the contract.

[Bates]

Of course they could do that but a new contract may need to be signed and registered with the NRL as terms of payment per season and contract length has changed.

I did some calcs a while back and couldn't see how the Roosters would spend close to the minimum 97.5% noting that players 27 or so to 30 are usually on min contracts - $135k in 2025 - based on 22 players signed at time and 8 spots to be filled with 1st year NRL squad players

Not seen a NRL Contract so the following is only an assumption if NRL clubs wanted to front load existing contracts - same duration length.

All depends on what the contract says as far as how payments are made one assumes -

As an example a player could sign a 3 year contract for 500k per season

Payments maybe listed in the contract as

1/11/2024 to 31/10/2025 - $500 k
1/11/2025 to 31/10/2026 - $500 k
1/11/2026 to 31/10/2027 - $500 k

Under the above if you wanted to front load the contract one assumes the relevant club would need the player to sign a new contract for this to occur - i.e pay $ 700k 1st year - 400k second year and 400k third year

or payments in the contract could be listed as

1.5 million over 3 years - negotiated with the player how much they receive each NRL season. i.e 1/11/xx to 31/10/xx

From 1/11/2024 to 31/10/2027

Under this contract as far as payments go a player could be paid $ 700k 1st year - 400k second year and 400k third year without the player having to sign a new contract as no yearly payment is mentioned. Just the contract duration and payment for the duration of the contract.

Where exactly in the rule book does it state that front loaded contracts are legal?

[King Salvo]

Where exactly in the rule book does it state that front loaded contracts are legal?

NRL banned back ended Contracts from being registered but not front loaded contracts - The Dogs had a lot of salary cap problems as a result of back ended contracts

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/11/14/...ded-contracts/

Many will say what is the difference if a player signs a 3 year deal for 1.5 mill - front ended or back ended payments.

Front loaded - 1.5 mill over 3 years

1st Year - 700k
2nd Year - 400k
3rd Year - 400k

Back ended - 1.5 mill over 3 years

1st Year - 400k
2nd Year - 400k
3rd Year - 700k

[Bates]

NRL banned back ended Contracts from being registered but not front loaded contracts - The Dogs had a lot of salary cap problems as a result of back ended contracts

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/11/14/...ded-contracts/

Many will say what is the difference if a player signs a 3 year deal for 1.5 mill - front ended or back ended payments.

Front loaded - 1.5 mill over 3 years

1st Year - 700k
2nd Year - 400k
3rd Year - 400k

Back ended - 1.5 mill over 3 years

1st Year - 400k
2nd Year - 400k
3rd Year - 700k

There is no difference. They are both illegal and were used to manipulate the salary cap! My understanding is if a player is valued at $500k a year by the NRL and he signs a 3 year deal worth $1.5 mill then he must be paid $500k a year unless both parties agree on a new deal mid contract.

[Rooster_6]

Neither back loaded or front loaded contracts are banned in the NRL, both are still common practice although the NRL does not look favourably on heavily skewed contracts and will refuse them but there is no hard rule that says they are illegal.

[dice]

Neither back loaded or front loaded contracts are banned in the NRL, both are still common practice although the NRL does not look favourably on heavily skewed contracts and will refuse them but there is no hard rule that says they are illegal.

NRL changes rules to restrict back-ended contracts | NRL.com

"NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg declared a ban on heavily back-ended contracts"


It is subjective. However, in general they won't register a contract where it is obvious there is not enough salary cap funds to meet the player's market value in the earlier years.

Not to be confused with an example like Suaalii or Walker whose contracts were structured to acknowledge inexperience at start, and much greater value at the end.

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

The narrative of Manu's union movements is changing as frequently as the direction of the wind. Let's wait until there is an official statement by a club or the man himself. On slow news days, the click bait jurnos need something to write about.

[Andrew Walker]

Never thought he’d be returning this year and highly doubt he ever will

[kakaruk]

I reckon young toia will be as good as Manu given a year or two

[SamKerrSimp]

He was never coming back to us, at least not 6 months after signing for Japanese rugby, it was only ever dickheads like James Hooper making baseless predictions because they don't get any concrete information so they resort to making up BS and throw in the caveat of it's just the word around town there's no way these journos had any information from Manu's camp or the Roosters camp.

[SunnyCoastChook]

Maybe he saw our trial games......

[Rooster90]

Maybe he saw our trial games......

to be fair, his current team has won 1 game all year and just had 63 points put on them....