Official Match Day Thread: Roosters v Broncos

[King Salvo]

Says King Salvo.

Tell us all what the players wages were in 1992 then

[Qld Chook]

You do know that head coaches don't develop players which is why they have assistant coaches and specialists/consultants etc.

Do you think Bellamy developed Cameron Smith and Billy Slater for instance,

Id be shocked if head coaches if head coaches dont contribute to player development.

The Cam Smith & Billy Slaters of the world dont need the same development as the Josh Kings, Nick Meaney's, Will Warbricks & Eli Katoa's. To think Bellamy hasnt had any influence on the development of these players is ludicrious.

[Qld Chook]

That's probably more to my point, in your mind "he's done" so anything he does is going to irritate you.

So you'd agree with him that the effort on display last night was something to be proud of? And think its funny that we lack footy smarts?

[Rooster_6]

So you'd agree with him that the effort on display last night was something to be proud of? And think it’s now funny that we lack footy smarts?

I know effort and output are not the same thing.

This is true in any workplace or any form of life, when you are new to something you can put in as much effort as you like but the output is more closely aligned to one’s competency. The more competent you get the more the output starts to align with your level of effort. I’m sure we can all relate to that.

I think Robinson was trying to convey two messages, 1) That he’s got a group of players who are willing to work hard, it’s now on him and his team to get them up to speed on the education of the game or “footy smarts” as a he called it and; 2) With new employees you want to create an environment where every failure is treated as a lesson, not as something they are going to get reprimanded for.

Reward the behaviour (Effort) and then provide coaching on the mistakes. That’s how you develop emerging talent.

So no, I have no problem with him praising the effort within the context of also acknowledging that competency was low. Both things can be true at the same time.

[Qld Chook]

I know effort and output are not the same thing.

This is true in any workplace or any form of life, when you are new to something you can put in as much effort as you like but the output is more closely aligned to one’s competency. The more competent you get the more the output starts to align with your level of effort. I’m sure we can all relate to that.

I think Robinson was trying to convey two messages, 1) That he’s got a group of players who are willing to work hard, it’s now on him and his team to get them up to speed on the education of the game or “footy smarts” as a he called it and; 2) With new employees you want to create an environment where every failure is treated as a lesson, not as something they are going to get reprimanded for.

Reward the behaviour (Effort) and then provide coaching on the mistakes. That’s how you develop emerging talent.

So no, I have no problem with him praising the effort within the context of also acknowledging that competency was low. Both things can be true at the same time.

Personally, I wasn't proud of the output OR effort. Alot of tries were conceded due to lack of effort and turning up for each other. You don't lose by 50 on a wet and slippery night in the NRL if the effort on display is something to be proud of.

I like how you've referenced a work environment, because it raises another good point. Any smart business owner, would NEVER let so much experience leave at the same time without replacing them with quality/experienced employees to ensure that environment remains successful. If our 'competency' as a team is low, we need to look at why that is. Its up to Trent to provide a successful environment.

[Easts75]

I think the effort was there, which is the alarming aspect for me. I think that horrendous performance just comes down to a lack of ability. Way too many players out there whose grade is reserve grade.

[Eggspert]

Personally, I wasn't proud of the output OR effort. Alot of tries were conceded due to lack of effort and turning up for each other. You don't lose by 50 on a wet and slippery night in the NRL if the effort on display is something to be proud of.

I like how you've referenced a work environment, because it raises another good point. Any smart business owner, would NEVER let so much experience leave at the same time without replacing them with quality/experienced employees to ensure that environment remains successful. If our 'competency' as a team is low, we need to look at why that is. Its up to Trent to provide a successful environment.

They showed good effort in getting to the ground & putting on their playing kit & running onto the field...

After that the effort on the field is the by-product of the coaching, preparation..etc..

The wet slippery surface helped the score stay under 60+....ridiculous to suggest the effort was there.

I remember Wayne Bennett's baby Broncos during the Origin period minus almost their whole starting team having wins & having respectable losses...

It's quite convenient to blame the cattle when the cowboy on the horse is the one running the show.

[MKCS]

You can't prepare for a third of the team replaced.

I think for me it's that we didn't even really try to prepare for the rebuild last year. Who did we end up signing? Chad Townsend who was never meant to play first grade unless an emergency, Mark N and Makatoa? Why weren't we going hard after Luai? I know we were chasing Valentine Holmes a little bit but even someone like him would be beneficial for the team this season instead of relying on 2 rookies at centre and just praying they come good.

Robson comes in next year which is exciting but we still have plenty of key positions with ineffective players in them but don't seem to be linked to players that will fix those issues. For example, the club has said they have no interest in Dylan Brown but our best option in Brown's position is Sandon Smith, why aren't we pursuing Brown?

[Rooster1908]

So when did Bellamy play Wing/ Fullback or Dummy Half

So they have a different coach for every position on the paddock .Long bow Salvo

[Qld Chook]

I think for me it's that we didn't even really try to prepare for the rebuild last year. Who did we end up signing? Chad Townsend who was never meant to play first grade unless an emergency, Mark N and Makatoa? Why weren't we going hard after Luai? I know we were chasing Valentine Holmes a little bit but even someone like him would be beneficial for the team this season instead of relying on 2 rookies at centre and just praying they come good.

Robson comes in next year which is exciting but we still have plenty of key positions with ineffective players in them but don't seem to be linked to players that will fix those issues. For example, the club has said they have no interest in Dylan Brown but our best option in Brown's position is Sandon Smith, why aren't we pursuing Brown?

Val or Lomax wouldve been great recruits with their versatilityand goal kicking. Even missing out Ben Hunt it has hurt us.

Next season we need to recruit a gun 5/8 & prop. Dyl Brown or Galvin are my picks. Collins & Spencer are tiers below the best props in the game unfortunately and will need help.

[Rooster_6]

Personally, I wasn't proud of the output OR effort. Alot of tries were conceded due to lack of effort and turning up for each other. You don't lose by 50 on a wet and slippery night in the NRL if the effort on display is something to be proud of.

I like how you've referenced a work environment, because it raises another good point. Any smart business owner, would NEVER let so much experience leave at the same time without replacing them with quality/experienced employees to ensure that environment remains successful. If our 'competency' as a team is low, we need to look at why that is. Its up to Trent to provide a successful environment.

I will agree to disagree on the first point because I think it is 100% possible to suck badly at something when you're starting out despite trying really hard.

The second point has more merit to it and seems to me to be more fair minded criticism. The salary cap creates complexities that normal business owners don't have to deal with and there is a cyclical nature to the salary cap that needs to be considered when assessing a clubs ability to maintain performance. The fair question is why in 2016 and now it looks like potentially in 2025 our dips are so dramatic.

Robinson has built some great teams over the years and he deserves massive plaudits for that but he also deserves criticism for letting it get so bad that we are getting 50 put on us in Round 1. If by his own admission he has a group of talented young players who are putting in a ton of effort then simply put it's on him and his coaching staff now to develop that team by the end of the year and there should be fair questions as to why they were so under prepared for the NRL and why they lack the footy smarts because that falls on the coaching staff.

[HunchoRooster]

Val or Lomax wouldve been great recruits with their versatilityand goal kicking. Even missing out Ben Hunt it has hurt us.

Next season we need to recruit a gun 5/8 & prop. Dyl Brown or Galvin are my picks. Collins & Spencer are tiers below the best props in the game unfortunately and will need help.

I think Hunt was 100% the play although I think he had his heart set on going back to Brisbane.

Worth noting Galvin was absolutely terrible last night. I reckon Sandon played better on Thursday. Brown is way too expensive and seems to be driven by money. I'd look at someone like Welsby from Saints in ESL, can convert him to a 6.

[Chook2]

Val or Lomax wouldve been great recruits with their versatilityand goal kicking. Even missing out Ben Hunt it has hurt us.

Next season we need to recruit a gun 5/8 & prop. Dyl Brown or Galvin are my picks. Collins & Spencer are tiers below the best props in the game unfortunately and will need help.

Big misses from us not going for Holmes and Lomax despite as loosing our centres
also goal kickers
and Ben hunt we should have gone all in for our 6 for 2 seasons on top of b smith and walker being out half a year
We dabbled at Johnson and Gagai

we have seemed to lost our recruitment aura either not going for guys at all or just dabbling at offers and missing out on key players

[HDTONE]

Interesting to hear Cronk really talking May up based on tonight’s form and his trial form,he spoke very highly of May..

Honestly makes me scratch my head..

Yeah watched the game outta interest to see how May and Luai went. And yep May was damn good in attack and defence. Can remember him just making 1 error coughing the ball up. But he was attracting a few defenders on the run and he looked pretty fit.

I'll never get that decision to punt him.

Thought Luai was average considering the cabbage he's on. Young Galvin they need to try keeping him

[Qld Chook]

I think Hunt was 100% the play although I think he had his heart set on going back to Brisbane.

Worth noting Galvin was absolutely terrible last night. I reckon Sandon played better on Thursday. Brown is way too expensive and seems to be driven by money. I'd look at someone like Welsby from Saints in ESL, can convert him to a 6.

Welsby looks decent from what I have seen, but I'd still prefer Galvin, he is still so young and I'd prefer a bigger body, especially with Sammy being so small.