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  • #16
    Originally posted by The Rooster Oracle View Post
    Laughing at you guys for constantly defending Smiffy for EVERYTHING!! Vision, instincts and I will add kicking for a playmaker can most definitely be coached which then has plenty to do with Smiffy!!!!!!

    Just look at Kris Keating and Josh Reynolds at the dogs. Keating has always been a rubbish player until this year when he is now finally being coached properly by 1 of the 2 best coaches in the comp! Reynolds has come from absolutely no where to now being a very good player, ALL because he is now being properly coached! Guess what?????? Both players are THE SAME AGE as Pearce!!!!!!! Hasler has done this with 2 playmakers in a matter of months, Smiffy is into his 3rd year and Pearce is not progressing!!

    I would f**king love to see what Pearce would be like under 1 of the 2 best coaches in the NRL, Bellamy or Hasler!
    I admit that Pearce was a major disappointment last night but I will say 2 things in his defense;
    1} He has had no decent coaching in his time at the Roosters!
    2} Last night was as tough as rugby league gets!! Pearce is up against the greatest era of QLD, and to play them at Suncorp is the greatest challenge you can face as a league player, it is NOT easy! What also did not help was how the QLD defensive line was sprinting up for the full 80mins, giving him very little room to move in. To me it seemed that QLD were offside for most of the game and that their 10 meters was shorter than NSW's. I noticed it when looking for it through the game that QLD were being taken back exactly 10 meters and NSW were being taken back 13 meters. This really does not help a playmaker, especially when it helps QLD with field position and it seemed like they had more possession.

    To me the answer for the Roosters is to finally get a bloody good coaching set up and see what they can do with Pearce. Cause really what is the alternative, Cronk is locked in at the Storm until the end of 2016(unless he has a clause in his contract about if Bellamy leaves), Thurston is 29 and locked up at the cowgirls until the end of 2013 (to old to get then), Cherry Evans is locked up til the end of 2015 and Shaun Johnson is locked up til the end of 2014. They are the only 4 players I rate higher then Pearce at halfback. What other alternative is there, other than to try and get the next big thing aged 17/18 and try your luck again there?
    Mate I saw numerous occassions when QLD were also taken back 12 or 13 metres Difference being because our long kicking game was disgraceful continually finding thre back 3 players on the full Qld got a head of steam up from kick returns Which ensured NSW were constantly on the back foot in defence. Making it far more noticable just how far NSW were being brought back Where as Qld kicking game generally found grass had a solid kick and chase and stopped any real momentum from NSW in getting out of there own half this aided QLD to get their defensive line set and sprint up out of the line
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Thirteen View Post
      I agree with you.
      But in saying this, I do believe Pearce could progress more under a different coach.
      Compared to Cronk last night, Pearce looked like a Bondi United player.
      But......the guy roots pussy cat dolls! So hats off to him!!
      ive seen many a better performance from bondi united half backs haha

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      • #18
        Originally posted by The Rooster Oracle View Post
        Laughing at you guys for constantly defending Smiffy for EVERYTHING!! Vision, instincts and I will add kicking for a playmaker can most definitely be coached which then has plenty to do with Smiffy!!!!!!
        I like your posts but you cannot coach vision or instincts. You either have it or you don't and I have never seen any evidence to suggest Pearce exhibits either.
        ...

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cockadoodledoo View Post
          I like your posts but you cannot coach vision or instincts. You either have it or you don't and I have never seen any evidence to suggest Pearce exhibits either.
          Correct......and I fear that you are right with Pearce.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by The Edge View Post
            I've had enough of this crap.

            Pearce was one of the game's most promising half-backs in 2008, when the Roosters made the top four.

            He used to break the line regularly, take intercepts, get repeat sets of six with a clever short-kicking game, and was the fastest in the club over 40 metres.

            Think back even to 2007 and that pass from Wingy at Penrith Park, and the speed and skill shown by an enthusiastic young Pearce. While we didn't cover ourselves in glory in the 2008 finals, Pearce had a great year for such a young halfback.

            What has happened to the player some Roosters fans called "Superboy" in the intervening years.

            Coach Smith decided he needed to bulk up, put on the kgs, so he would become the "New Joey". Even in the last couple of weeks, this drooling idiot we have as a coach was saying how Pearce is about to "dominate" like the "new Joey".

            Ahh, last thing I recall, is that the "Old Joey" hates Smith's guts, and was happy Sonny Bill smashed his head and neck into retirement, so he would no longer have to play under Mister Psychobabble Textathon.

            Roosters fans... tonight was a classic example of what has happened overall to Pearce's game under Smith... despite the faith Stuart has shown in keeping him in the Origin team, let's be totally honest.

            Pearce was rubbish, nowhere near Origin class. Peter Wallace is a much more Origin class halfback than the imposter we saw out there tonight. I can no longer defend the indefensible.

            You can only look terrified for so long in the face of on-coming defence, you can only throw the inside pass so many times (as quickly as possible) and you can only kick down the throat of Queensland defenders, without ever once having positioned yourself or planned when you want to receive the football to kick it on the last...

            You can only for so long let the classy number 9 do all the playmaking, or let the brilliant yet not-playmaking number 6 do all the line-breaking stuff...

            Tonight Pearce unfortunately showed that he is not a representative class player, and with a heavy heart, I have to say his club form is very questionable these days.

            St George or Balmain can have him I now reckon.

            PS - oh and Smith is not off the hook either. While it's too late to save Pearce whose career has been ruined, it's not too late to save the entire rest of the Roosters squad, by dispensing with the current coaching staff and starting afresh.
            Cant say I ever witnessed this.
            Embrace the Hate! JC

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BUDDY View Post
              Maybe he is just overrated.
              Well that goes almost without saying.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by The Edge View Post
                I've had enough of this crap.

                Pearce was one of the game's most promising half-backs in 2008, when the Roosters made the top four.

                He used to break the line regularly, take intercepts, get repeat sets of six with a clever short-kicking game, and was the fastest in the club over 40 metres.

                Think back even to 2007 and that pass from Wingy at Penrith Park, and the speed and skill shown by an enthusiastic young Pearce. While we didn't cover ourselves in glory in the 2008 finals, Pearce had a great year for such a young halfback.

                What has happened to the player some Roosters fans called "Superboy" in the intervening years.

                Coach Smith decided he needed to bulk up, put on the kgs, so he would become the "New Joey". Even in the last couple of weeks, this drooling idiot we have as a coach was saying how Pearce is about to "dominate" like the "new Joey".

                Ahh, last thing I recall, is that the "Old Joey" hates Smith's guts, and was happy Sonny Bill smashed his head and neck into retirement, so he would no longer have to play under Mister Psychobabble Textathon.

                Roosters fans... tonight was a classic example of what has happened overall to Pearce's game under Smith... despite the faith Stuart has shown in keeping him in the Origin team, let's be totally honest.

                Pearce was rubbish, nowhere near Origin class. Peter Wallace is a much more Origin class halfback than the imposter we saw out there tonight. I can no longer defend the indefensible.

                You can only look terrified for so long in the face of on-coming defence, you can only throw the inside pass so many times (as quickly as possible) and you can only kick down the throat of Queensland defenders, without ever once having positioned yourself or planned when you want to receive the football to kick it on the last...

                You can only for so long let the classy number 9 do all the playmaking, or let the brilliant yet not-playmaking number 6 do all the line-breaking stuff...

                Tonight Pearce unfortunately showed that he is not a representative class player, and with a heavy heart, I have to say his club form is very questionable these days.

                St George or Balmain can have him I now reckon.

                PS - oh and Smith is not off the hook either. While it's too late to save Pearce whose career has been ruined, it's not too late to save the entire rest of the Roosters squad, by dispensing with the current coaching staff and starting afresh.
                or maybe pearce is just an average first grader. Repeat sets my arse...
                Alcohol never solved any life problems.....then again neither did milk.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cockadoodledoo View Post
                  I like your posts but you cannot coach vision or instincts. You either have it or you don't and I have never seen any evidence to suggest Pearce exhibits either.
                  I'm glad you like my posts, the feeling is mutual. We may just have to agree to disagree on this one, but I will try and explain a bit from where I am coming from.

                  When it comes to vision you can coach this. You teach a person on what to look for, things such as how deep is the fullback as to when is the best time for a long or short kick, who are the weakest defenders in the opposition to target, who is a good player to follow in your side for possible offloads, when do the wingers drop as to when may be a good time to kick in behind them or to run it on the last, how to direct the side on where you want them to go so that you can be in the best possible position to get a kick away or have the right area of the field to put on a set move etc etc i can go on but the point is that these are all visionary things that you can teach a player as ordinarily a player will not know to look for particular things.

                  You can teach instincts. Instinct is linked with behaviour and feeling, and you most definitely can teach a person with those two things. You can teach a player how to control their instincts and to develope new instincts. A player can have an instinct to panic when under certain pressures in certain situations, you can teach a player how to learn to better deal with these certain situations such as when you team is down by 18 points not to panic, stay calm and in control and don't push silly passes or do low percentage plays. A player may have an instinct to not care about the outcome of a game, a loss may not really hurt them, which is a bit of a problem with the young latest generation of footballers. These young players need to be taught to care more as it will improve their football with more passion for the result. A player can have an instinct to go into their shell when they have been hit hard, they need to learn the instinct of toughen up and instead of feeling like not wanting to go near the ball again instead force yourself to want to get that ball as soon as you can and run it harder the next time.

                  Player like Mose Masoe and Tautau Moga have an instinct of not wanting to hurt people, which playing football is not a good instinct to have. You need teach them to have more aggressive instincts of wanting to hurt people when they run and tackle.

                  Soldiers in the army/airforce need to have their instincts developed/taught as not every instinct is just handed to you and it can mean life or death. Your first instinct when people are shooting at you is to run away, as a soldier you can not afford to do this as it can result in the death of your fellow soldiers, so you then have to be taught the instinct of wanting to stay and fight.

                  Teaching someone how to play poker you teach them the instincts to have when you think someone is bluffing, what to look for. Learning the instincts of your opponent can be hugely beneficial!

                  So to sum it up, Smiffy CAN be helping Pearce with his footballing vision and instincts, but Smiffy is NO help to Pearce at all or any of our players for that matter!!
                  The year 2013 marks the beginning of the Roosters next 'decade of excellence', and it will prove to be more successful than the last!

                  Here's looking at you, kid.

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                  • #24
                    The only one that smith has really helped is his own son - to gain employment

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by fred68 View Post
                      The only one that smith has really helped is his own son - to gain employment
                      And I thank him every day AlFredo.



                      The FlogPen .

                      You know it makes sense.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by stsae View Post
                        And I thank him every day AlFredo.

                        I was talking about your brother

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Thirteen View Post
                          I agree with you.
                          But in saying this, I do believe Pearce could progress more under a different coach.
                          Compared to Cronk last night, Pearce looked like a Bondi United player.
                          But......the guy roots pussy cat dolls! So hats off to him!!
                          He took her home in a taxi......mumbled some sh!t, then she left...he didn't get any..
                          That drug addict biker on the other hand...

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                          • #28
                            Under smith's coaching I can't think of one player that has improved. That for me speaks volumes.
                            "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

                            Thomas Jefferson

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by thelonerooster View Post
                              under smith's coaching i can't think of one player that has improved. That for me speaks volumes.
                              skd

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by bravehalfbackPEARCE View Post
                                skd
                                I think you'll find he improved under Freddy. He did the carry the ball thing with him.

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