The (near) decade of disaster - and the truthful stats

[melon....]

Did it? Moz used to get pinged for high shots, not some of the dumb stuff that JWH does. He carries on too much after a tackle and asks to be penalised a lot of the time.

Then again, Moz was probably a bit older and more experienced when he came to us. All I know is, JWH frustrates me when he gets in that mood where he's like an angry ant.

My point is Morley was targetted sometimes unfairly.

So is JWH - mind you some of the lying on players shit is just bad habit. FPN used to do it to but he's sorted out that part of his game.

Half teh shit JWH cops is not warranted by the refs. Hes an easy target because he's agressive....like Morley was. Morley used to get pinged for legal shots that pushed teh envelope. Because teh refs made it clear that he must be stopped at all costs.

[Vasco]

That's the problem with JWH - the only strings to his bow are putting on the occasional hit or sailing close to the wind when it comes to giving away penalties.

Watching him trying to stir up Myles when we played the Titans earlier this season I kept thinking "That's great JWH, but Myles is twice the footballer you'll ever be"

The guy is overrated in the extreme

Does anybody else think JWH runs too upright? Rarely does he get an offload away as they easily wrap the ball up.

[chook 56]

Does anybody else think JWH runs too upright? Rarely does he get an offload away as they easily wrap the ball up.

Yes.

[Guest]

The big problem is the coach.

I was thinking about the broncos just now when they announced that they extended their coach's contract (griffin).

Henjak was their coach straight after bennett. Like smith, he had a very good first year - in henjak's case he took them to within 1 game of the grand final which is a pretty good result considering that they no longer has their master coach of some two decades in bennett. The next year (henjak's second year), they just missed out on the top 8 - the first time in nearly 2 decades that that happened to the broncos. There was - just like smith - rumours of broncos players not being happy with henjak's style. So what happened next - the broncos management noticed the slide happening, stepped in and then in mid february (deep into their next off season), they sacked henjak and replaced him with griffin. Broncos then rose again to make the 8 in griffin's first year and he has again got them up near the top this year (his second year) despite them this year not having a great playmaker like lockyer playing anymore.

Of course the head in the sand brigade on here will not accept reality and will pretend that henjak would have achieved the same thing in the last 2 years had the broncos kept him because he was "rebuilding" like smith.

[melon....]

The big problem is the coach.

I was thinking about the broncos just now when they announced that they extended their coach's contract (griffin).

Henjak was their coach straight after bennett. Like smith, he had a very good first year - in henjak's case he took them to within 1 game of the grand final which is a pretty good result considering that they no longer has their master coach of some two decades in bennett. The next year (henjak's second year), they just missed out on the top 8 - the first time in nearly 2 decades that that happened to the broncos. There was - just like smith - rumours of broncos players not being happy with henjak's style. So what happened next - the broncos management noticed the slide happening, stepped in and then in mid february (deep into their next off season), they sacked henjak and replaced him with griffin. Broncos then rose again to make the 8 in griffin's first year and he has again got them up near the top this year (his second year) despite them this year not having a great playmaker like lockyer playing anymore.

Of course the head in the sand brigade on here will not accept reality and will pretend that henjak would have achieved the same thing in the last 2 years had the broncos kept him because he was "rebuilding" like smith.

The big problem is the coach...and before him it was the coach, and before that one , the coach, and before him the previous one.

Fred, for the last time, the big problem at Easts is the boss.

[Guest]

Sad but true.. the only teams we are better then are knights,parramatta,penrith and maybe the dragons. Maloney and SBW should he come will have a make a huge difference to us next year.

[Guest]

i totally agree but we need start somewhere.

[Guest]

old chook, very well said, Ive been supporting them for 40years my father playing for east rugby in the late 40's its very heart breaking to see them play like this for the last 3 years. There is something in the whole setup that is just not right, there needs to be a clean out, new culture, new mission statement. because if there is not, even the oldest fans will no longer go to the games, turn on the foxtel, pay our membership fees.
P.S JWH penalty count this year? it would lead the comp wouldnt it?

I agree. They look unfit as well.

[Guest]

The big problem is the coach...and before him it was the coach, and before that one , the coach, and before him the previous one.

Fred, for the last time, the big problem at Easts is the boss.

he keeps picking dud coaches.

look at the list of pathetic coaches that we have had lately.

[Arties Pie]

The big problem is the coach...and before him it was the coach, and before that one , the coach, and before him the previous one.

Fred, for the last time, the big problem at Easts is the boss.

I agree you can only go to that well so many times, first it was Ricky and his positional changes and his love for Finchy, then Dopes had no idea at all, Freddy was too close to the players and now it's Smith has lost the dressing room, maybe it's just the players.

[Guest]

I agree you can only go to that well so many times, first it was Ricky and his positional changes and his love for Finchy, then Dopes had no idea at all, Freddy was too close to the players and now it's Smith has lost the dressing room, maybe it's just the players.

but there are a lot of new players that were not coached by ricky or opes or even freddy. Even a lot of the new players dont like smith.

So its not the players.

[melon....]

I agree you can only go to that well so many times, first it was Ricky and his positional changes and his love for Finchy, then Dopes had no idea at all, Freddy was too close to the players and now it's Smith has lost the dressing room, maybe it's just the players.

Its the Chairman, for allowing the spoilt players to get away with it time after time. Its the Chairman for his pour judgement and appointments.

[Guest]

The core problem is our roster - we have plenty of promising kids but only a couple of players with much over 100 games. Look at this season - a few times we got pumped but mostly we were in games up to our neck and couldn't close them out - example Taka coming out of the line to create the gap for Souths 2nd last try, just straight inexperience.

The Broncos aren't good because of Griffin, they are good because they have a great group of kids (like us) and half a dozen 200+ game rep players to provide experience (unlike us).

We have got the balance wrong between youth and experience and that's why we sit where we sit on the ladder.

[melon....]

he keeps picking dud coaches.

look at the list of pathetic coaches that we have had lately.

True....all the bad coaches were a result of one very bad and naive decision. To bank on a handshake deal with Bennett. We knew then that was going to put us back a decade. We still have 2-3 years of pain to go....regardless of who coaches.

That rubbish, clueless deal, that has created this entire coaching mess.

You need to start blaming the right man for the damage. Smith is collateral damage. The root cause of the cancer is in the boardroom. If Nick insisted on a handshake deal, then Nick is the man to blame. If it was the CEO, then the CEO can wear the blame of our current position.

Who in their right minds does a business deal with a handshake these days.

Thats just bad bad bad business. And we are suffering for it.

[Bansai Pipeline]

Sonny-Bill's a handshake man.