i feel sorry for our outside backs

[stephenj]

mini chokes any attack by chiming into the line pretending hes as fast as he once was! take out mini and friend we have a functioing attack

[Guest]

Pearce was good tonight today it was Friends fault. Taking 1,000,000 scoots. If they did that in the Marist Rugby team youd be given a lecture by Mr Mcarthy.

Moga is a centre. How long will it tak pe Smith to understand that. RTS was good cleaned up balls well Mini was good. Leilua had a shocker. IMO they had no idea ehat they were doing in the second half. Their kicks were high but no one contested them and it went into the hands of Mead who made good metres. Everyone balls dropped when Jamal came at them yes hes a big human but at least attrmpt to tackle him.

Ad lib footy. Uncontested kicks. Errors.

And it all comes down to the gameplan from the coach.

I think that Hindmarsh has been smoking crack. He said on the footy show that hes a good coach and hes a big fan of him. Why are we 14th???? 9 losses in a row. A loss to the Panthers without half their players. 2 50+ losses. Why its terrible. He should be sacked. Ive had enough of him. I hate him.

On top of that his selections. Maubs in the centers, Tautau on the wing, dropping Henry continuously, Braith at 5/8, always picking FPN the shit player, Arona all the time, no Bosden, dropped tasi vs Souffs. He is a disgrace.

[stsae]

We play too flat to ever have a back line move. Front rowers stand next to the dummy half waiting to take a hitup. The rest of the team standing around like browns cows. It is embarrassing to watch an NRL team play with the structure of an under 7's team.

What about that first 1/2 mate???

Ball control, grubbers resulting in repeat sets, depth and decoys in attack, going to outside men instead of inside balls, defence, discipline.

No one can tell me they don't know how to play to a game plan or aren't coached some structure and set plays.

As soon as the opposition steps it up a gear boom we revert to BwaiffBall, panicked passes, shitty kicks, dropped ball, penalties, flat uncatchable passes etc.

Every week it's the same old song.

[Cockadoodledoo]

You obviously were not at the game. We were flat all night, when we went wide the, no one was running onto the ball as they again were flat. They would stand waiting to catch the ball and when they got it the ball was usually thrown at their heads. In the opposition 20 we had no set moves apart from jakes second man pass.

We were clueless despite having all the possession. Pearce was resorting to 4th tackle grubbers such was our inability to find away through gold coasts defense. He eventually got lucky. Stop trying to polish a turd which is our non existent structure in attack.

[stsae]

You obviously were not at the game. We were flat all night, when we went wide the, no one was running onto the ball as they again were flat. They would stand waiting to catch the ball and when they got it the ball was usually thrown at their heads. In the opposition 20 we had no set moves apart from jakes second man pass.

We were clueless despite having all the possession. Pearce was resorting to 4th tackle grubbers such was our inability to find away through gold coasts defense. He eventually got lucky. Stop trying to polish a turd which is our non existent structure in attack.

Of course I wasn't at the game you know that mate.

I'm not polishing any turds.

I just refuse to be a sheep and follow what others say. I am merely commenting on what I see.

We play as structured as any team does until pressure is applied. Then we panic and the dropped ball, penalties etc start and we get belted.

We have zero playmakers. Players who can deliver under pressure.

I don't care who is coach it's impossible to win games without blokes who are match winners.

Even Watsamatta have Hayne and Sandcow who have regularly won their sides games over the years.

When was the last time ANY of our players stood up and won us a game???

I have no love for the coach. I accept he is as responsible as the players for our predicament, after all he picks them. I have no worries if we replace him cos we have a better coach.

What I won't cop is bullshit excuses about structure or mind games from usually rational posters.

What I want is for someone to stand up and win us a game.

You have been around long enough Coqqers. You saw how pRicky was too intense, dOpes was past it, Freddy was to close to the players and now Smiffs playing mind games without structure.

When does someone say enough is enough with these excuses???

Soft club. 5 weeks. Enema. Replace coach. Honeymoon. Excuses. Repeat cycle.

I hope I'm way off but I bet I'm right.

[mightyrooster]

Of course I wasn't at the game you know that mate.

I'm not polishing any turds.

I just refuse to be a sheep and follow what others say. I am merely commenting on what I see.

We play as structured as any team does until pressure is applied. Then we panic and the dropped ball, penalties etc start and we get belted.

We have zero playmakers. Players who can deliver under pressure.

I don't care who is coach it's impossible to win games without blokes who are match winners.

Even Watsamatta have Hayne and Sandcow who have regularly won their sides games over the years.

When was the last time ANY of our players stood up and won us a game???

I have no love for the coach. I accept he is as responsible as the players for our predicament, after all he picks them. I have no worries if we replace him cos we have a better coach.

What I won't cop is bullshit excuses about structure or mind games from usually rational posters.

What I want is for someone to stand up and win us a game.

You have been around long enough Coqqers. You saw how pRicky was too intense, dOpes was past it, Freddy was to close to the players and now Smiffs playing mind games without structure.

When does someone say enough is enough with these excuses???

Soft club. 5 weeks. Enema. Replace coach. Honeymoon. Excuses. Repeat cycle.

I hope I'm way off but I bet I'm right.

FWIW, which probably isn't much, I think you're right!

[Cockadoodledoo]

Of course I wasn't at the game you know that mate.

I'm not polishing any turds.

I just refuse to be a sheep and follow what others say. I am merely commenting on what I see.

We play as structured as any team does until pressure is applied. Then we panic and the dropped ball, penalties etc start and we get belted.

We have zero playmakers. Players who can deliver under pressure.

I don't care who is coach it's impossible to win games without blokes who are match winners.

Even Watsamatta have Hayne and Sandcow who have regularly won their sides games over the years.

When was the last time ANY of our players stood up and won us a game???

I have no love for the coach. I accept he is as responsible as the players for our predicament, after all he picks them. I have no worries if we replace him cos we have a better coach.

What I won't cop is bullshit excuses about structure or mind games from usually rational posters.

What I want is for someone to stand up and win us a game.

You have been around long enough Coqqers. You saw how pRicky was too intense, dOpes was past it, Freddy was to close to the players and now Smiffs playing mind games without structure.

When does someone say enough is enough with these excuses???

Soft club. 5 weeks. Enema. Replace coach. Honeymoon. Excuses. Repeat cycle.

I hope I'm way off but I bet I'm right.

Mate I agree with 90% of your post, we all share the same anger and didillusionment with how our club is being run. You cannot solve all the problems overnight but you have to pick off the lowest hanging fruit.

The lack of structure I refer to is all too bleedingly obvious in the oppositions final third of the field. This is when the hot potato offloads and grubbers on 4th tackles come in as we simply do not have any planned moves, no depth in attack. This is so evident when we try cutout balls, the recipient is usually being tackled the moment they catch the ball.

I don't buy the no playmakers, Pearce is more an organiser I grant you but he is a capable playmaker albeit one who panics under pressure. However when the team is standing around like browns cows not knowing what is going to happen next, it is no wonder he struggles to create as there are simply no opportunities. Tell me the last time you saw a flowing sideline to sideline roosters back line movement in the opposition 20 with players running decoys and playing collecting the ball with some depth and running appropriate lines?

We have hardly any set moves and whilst you can point to last nights 10 point lead, for all the possession and field position we should have been up by at least 20 points. I believe if we had some semblance of attacking structure we would have been.

[Chook Norris]

Mate I agree with 90% of your post, we all share the same anger and didillusionment with how our club is being run. You cannot solve all the problems overnight but you have to pick off the lowest hanging fruit.

The lack of structure I refer to is all too bleedingly obvious in the oppositions final third of the field. This is when the hot potato offloads and grubbers on 4th tackles come in as we simply do not have any planned moves, no depth in attack. This is so evident when we try cutout balls, the recipient is usually being tackled the moment they catch the ball.

I don't buy the no playmakers, Pearce is more an organiser I grant you but he is a capable playmaker albeit one who panics under pressure. However when the team is standing around like browns cows not knowing what is going to happen next, it is no wonder he struggles to create as there are simply no opportunities. Tell me the last time you saw a flowing sideline to sideline roosters back line movement in the opposition 20 with players running decoys and playing collecting the ball with some depth and running appropriate lines?

We have hardly any set moves and whilst you can point to last nights 10 point lead, for all the possession and field position we should have been up by at least 20 points. I believe if we had some semblance of attacking structure we would have been.

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding

First Warriors match. Ie. a terrible rate of once all season. The fact that i can recall the exact game at almost the exact minute shows just how sparse and pathetic it all is. We have to be the only side without a set move

[RooSta]

Mate I agree with 90% of your post, we all share the same anger and didillusionment with how our club is being run. You cannot solve all the problems overnight but you have to pick off the lowest hanging fruit.

The lack of structure I refer to is all too bleedingly obvious in the oppositions final third of the field. This is when the hot potato offloads and grubbers on 4th tackles come in as we simply do not have any planned moves, no depth in attack. This is so evident when we try cutout balls, the recipient is usually being tackled the moment they catch the ball.

I don't buy the no playmakers, Pearce is more an organiser I grant you but he is a capable playmaker albeit one who panics under pressure. However when the team is standing around like browns cows not knowing what is going to happen next, it is no wonder he struggles to create as there are simply no opportunities. Tell me the last time you saw a flowing sideline to sideline roosters back line movement in the opposition 20 with players running decoys and playing collecting the ball with some depth and running appropriate lines?

We have hardly any set moves and whilst you can point to last nights 10 point lead, for all the possession and field position we should have been up by at least 20 points. I believe if we had some semblance of attacking structure we would have been.

Mate I agree, coming out of our own end isn't our problem, when we all say we got no structure it starts from half way and into an attacking position is where we look totally lost and don't even half look like causing the defence any troubles, other then an offload which has prob been our best attacking option all year.. But I don't think I've seen us once run long backbone sweeping play where Atleast two blockers/decoys run through as options for a short pass aswell as a decoy and the ball being spread to the winger at pace, nearly every team uses this play every time theyre in an attacking position with about 4 different versions they can use we haven't got 1... We get in an good attacking position and pretty much have 4 hit ups looking for a lucky offload then Pearce for a cross field bomb and hope for the best we are so one dimensional it ain't hard to pick we haven't put a complete half of footy together all year where we have built pressure and forced repeat sets, and put points on the board with constant attacking raids and disciplined footy we can't put 10 mins of good footy together it's embarrassing

[kakaruk]

Whats happening is that the gameplan revolves around wide running forwards who are usullay hanging around close to the ruck or where the inside center would be in the old days.So they are getting a lot of the ball that should go sweeping along the backline to the wingers.Then if the ball does get to kenny dowell he usually steps inside holding the ball in one hand takes the tackle and then our really talented wingers finally get into the game at dummy half either passing the ball or taking a hit up to nowhere.SKD should start to try getting on the outside of his opposing center a few times and creating half chances for moga and sheck and leave the rest to them.As for Mini hes well past his best too slow now to be a first grade fullback in the modern game only my opinion.

[RooSta]

Means what is with FPN running sideways to the line throwing rubbish short passes to another back rower which gets bashed and we end up loosing ground because he normally does this on 2nd tackle with absolute zero go forward before he tries to suck in defenders and pop a ball to a hard fast wide running back rower... I understand what e trying to do but he dont ever do it at the right time after bit of go forward and a quick play the ball... This all comes back to the coach with such a young in experienced team a simple game plan of smart football complete sets and tough defence ,force the opposition to make mistakes and build pressure.. It's a simple but effective game plan concentrate on defence and discipline and attack will come.. We look like smithy tells ye boys when us are out there play how you see it, nobody actually has a clue what they are actually working to off each set forwards and most halves Pearce especially likes to be told what to do with a game plan rather then going out there and make it up while he's out there... Smithy has never been one to have a structured footy team, and hes living up to he's reputation of ****ing clubs up ye longer he is there... I actually pretty much hate him and the so called captain right now they jus seem to not give a flying ****..

[stsae]

Whats happening is that the gameplan revolves around wide running forwards who are usullay hanging around close to the ruck or where the inside center would be in the old days.So they are getting a lot of the ball that should go sweeping along the backline to the wingers.Then if the ball does get to kenny dowell he usually steps inside holding the ball in one hand takes the tackle and then our really talented wingers finally get into the game at dummy half either passing the ball or taking a hit up to nowhere.SKD should start to try getting on the outside of his opposing center a few times and creating half chances for moga and sheck and leave the rest to them.As for Mini hes well past his best too slow now to be a first grade fullback in the modern game only my opinion.

I agree with all of what's been written by you blokes. Kakaruk IMO hits the best point.

We have a game plan/structure. It's there. It's just most of us don't like it cos it's been ineffective this year.

We get ourselves downfield as good as any team. But we get to the oppositions 20 and we offer nothing. Our only good 80 mins was the Bros game and our best attack was that game with Pearce, Maubs and SKiD punishing their left side defence. I don't think that combo has been together again this year, or last often cos of injury??? Any irony Mitchell was great out of dummy 1/2 that week??? Another attacking option.

IMO we don't have the playmakers to get us over the line. When the pressures on is when it shows, they can't execute. Pearce is the only one passable in a playmaker role. But he plays a lone hand and has never shown to have much under pressure, when a games in the balance.

Mini doesn't have the pace to play a FBs role, sweep plays and hole runs with decoys. Friend isn't an attacking 9, he just doesn't have the skill. Our 6 and those problems are well documented, 5 weeks baby.

So how are we going to have a structure of sweeping decoys and back line plays when we don't seem to have the playmakers to play that sorta structure??? I just dont see the players at the club to execute that structure like most other clubs are able to employ.

So we go with our edge plays then bomb to the edges when we dont fluke a try. And everyone knows it.

IMO I just think back to 2010 and see Carntey leading that attack in the oppositions 20. That's the difference, a genuine playmaker, just one. Two would be a dream. One that executes under pressure would be a wet dream.

[RooSta]

I agree with all of what's been written by you blokes. Kakaruk IMO hits the best point.

We have a game plan/structure. It's there. It's just most of us don't like it cos it's been ineffective this year.

We get ourselves downfield as good as any team. But we get to the oppositions 20 and we offer nothing. Our only good 80 mins was the Bros game and our best attack was that game with Pearce, Maubs and SKiD punishing their left side defence. I don't think that combo has been together again this year, or last often cos of injury??? Any irony Mitchell was great out of dummy 1/2 that week??? Another attacking option.

IMO we don't have the playmakers to get us over the line. When the pressures on is when it shows, they can't execute. Pearce is the only one passable in a playmaker role. But he plays a lone hand and has never shown to have much under pressure, when a games in the balance.

Mini doesn't have the pace to play a FBs role, sweep plays and hole runs with decoys. Friend isn't an attacking 9, he just doesn't have the skill. Our 6 and those problems are well documented, 5 weeks baby.

So how are we going to have a structure of sweeping decoys and back line plays when we don't seem to have the playmakers to play that sorta structure??? I just dont see the players at the club to execute that structure like most other clubs are able to employ.

So we go with our edge plays then bomb to the edges when we dont fluke a try. And everyone knows it.

IMO I just think back to 2010 and see Carntey leading that attack in the oppositions 20. That's the difference, a genuine playmaker, just one. Two would be a dream. One that executes under pressure would be a wet dream.

Stsae ur right 100% and I agree 100%
But going back to that back line movement in an attacking position, ok if mini is to slow these days which I know the sweeping player needs to catch the ball and still be quick enough to get outside he's man to create that 3 on 2 overlap... If that's the case then fair enough either move mini to the wing In attack and his have him defending and defusing bombs in defence or don't actually use that same sweeping play and go back to some of the older backline movement the simple decoy inside and out and run unders lines create over laps or even that move back in 08 I think it was it worked really good that year where Anasta would come from the open side to the blind and would have tupou running that line back sort of behind the ruck with the centre and winger and Anasta would have 3 different options... Like they offer nothing they don't even try anything other then SKD hitting it short off Pearce like how SKD scored the 1st try against sharks which is pretty good but that ain't gonna work all the time..

[Guest]

Moga needs to get his head in the game..

There is more to footy than looking good with the ball..

Maybe, but, for comparison, I read the other day that Barba is the only dogs player left from the SBW walkout. This is his 5th year of first grade and he is now reaching his potential. He was all over the shop (brilliant and terrible by turns) his first couple of seasons.

Moga is half a dozen games in and learning NRL footy. When he got shown the sideline on Friday he took it because in NYC he would have burned his opposite and scored, in the NRL he got put into touch and sledged. He is in the process of receiving some NRL lessons.

[Cockadoodledoo]

Maybe, but, for comparison, I read the other day that Barba is the only dogs player left from the SBW walkout. This is his 5th year of first grade and he is now reaching his potential. He was all over the shop (brilliant and terrible by turns) his first couple of seasons.

Moga is half a dozen games in and learning NRL footy. When he got shown the sideline on Friday he took it because in NYC he would have burned his opposite and scored, in the NRL he got put into touch and sledged. He is in the process of receiving some NRL lessons.

I think Horrie makes a valid point. Moga seems content with standing on his wing and catching a cold, chases kicks with no determination. Compared to RTS who in his first grade debut showed a much greater willingness to get dirty and do some hard work.