we are now the only bottom 4 side to not change coach in last 12 months

[Guest]

Not really Ticket. Many fans accept it. Nothing will change unless the fans make it change. Make your opinions heard with your wallets and see how quickly things change.

I personally don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater. On the basis we are executing a strategy of building through youth - the stated strategy and reflected in recruitment - then it needs to be seen through. If there is a better coach available to implement the strategy then by all means but I cant see that being the case in 2013.

The change I would really like to see is a better balance of experienced players to support all of the relatively inexperienced players in the squad.

[The Rooster Oracle]

I personally don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater. On the basis we are executing a strategy of building through youth - the stated strategy and reflected in recruitment - then it needs to be seen through. If there is a better coach available to implement the strategy then by all means but I cant see that being the case in 2013.

The change I would really like to see is a better balance of experienced players to support all of the relatively inexperienced players in the squad.

I agree that our strategy of building youth needs to be seen through, along with buying some quality players in their mid 20's such as SBW and Maloney.

But we don't have to stick with Smiffy, I have no doubt that we can get a quality coach that will be happy to come in and go along with our strategy.

We have a decent coach waiting in the wings in Jason Taylor who can take over immediately. JT can see us achieve better results, which really isn't very hard considering what Smiffy has achieved the past two years! Then when some high quality coaches come onto the market in 2014 such as Bellamy, we snap him up!

[stsae]

That's it Ralph, while our club continues to go $hit and we do very minimal to rectify it, indicates that Nick and the certain people on here who support this 'minimal change', accept what is going on which is us being mediocre!

Minimal change as in $BW and Baloney???

And the moving on of our captain and 5/8 of some 7 seasons???

I'd have thought they'd constitute more than minimal change mate???

[stsae]

I agree that our strategy of building youth needs to be seen through, along with buying some quality players in their mid 20's such as SBW and Maloney.

But we don't have to stick with Smiffy, I have no doubt that we can get a quality coach that will be happy to come in and go along with our strategy.

We have a decent coach waiting in the wings in Jason Taylor who can take over immediately. JT can see us achieve better results, which really isn't very hard considering what Smiffy has achieved the past two years! Then when some high quality coaches come onto the market in 2014 such as Bellamy, we snap him up!

Wouldn't a decent coach be accepting mediocrity, in comparison to a high quality coach???

Wasn't the idea of this so called youth policy that you've stated you agree with seeing thru meant to be in conjunction with a 4 year plan when we signed Smiff as coach???

[Guest]

And the moving on of our captain and 5/8 of some 7 seasons???

I'd have thought they'd constitute more than minimal change mate???

That's like surviving cancer.

[The Rooster Oracle]

Minimal change as in $BW and Baloney???

And the moving on of our captain and 5/8 of some 7 seasons???

I'd have thought they'd constitute more than minimal change mate???

Wouldn't a decent coach be accepting mediocrity, in comparison to a high quality coach???

Wasn't the idea of this so called youth policy that you've stated you agree with seeing thru meant to be in conjunction with a 4 year plan when we signed Smiff as coach???

First of all stsae, may I commend you on the extra punctuation marks!!! Good to see that my style is rubbing off on you!!!

Minimal change..... yes minimal change. Maloney, whilst a good player is not a rep star! He is not in the same class as Thurston, Cronk, Foran etc...and SBW can't turn everything around all on his own, which Nick seems to be banking on!!!

Do you think that these two players alone will turn everything around for us and take us from being a crap team ranked 14th, to a top 4 side and premiership contender????????

While I strongly agree with you that Bwaiff is $hithouse, can you really blame 'ALL' our problems on him?????????

Don't get me wrong though mate, I have always been saying that the additions of SBW and Maloney along with Bwaiff f**king off is bloody fantastic and will automatically improve our side, 'BUT' that improvement will be handicapped by Smiffy!!!!!!! I see those player changes including sticking with Smiffy taking us from 14th to about 9th/10th. That improvement is based solely on the player changes and 'NOTHING' to do with Smiffy!!!!!! Than on the other hand you take those player changes 'PLUS' Smiffy and Son f**king off then we will improve to be a top 4 side!!!!!!

Where has it been said that we owe it too Smiffy to see out his 4 years as it is in conjunction with our so called 'youth policy'???????????

We owe Smiffy absolutely nothing, especially with the results he has been achieving the past two years!!!!!!! If you along with the 'I love Smiffy even when he is detrimental to the club' brigade (I am not saying that you are part of the brigade) can't see that Smiffy and Son are not the best coaches for our club and in fact are hindering our progress, then I truly feel sorry for you all as your vision is completely impaired by some feeling of loyalty just because he is our coach, when to me and quite a few others believe that no one is bigger than the club, the club always comes first and if you are holding back our club from being a success then we feel no allegiance to you and strongly feel that in the best interests of the club you must go asap!!!!!!!!

[stsae]

First of all stsae, may I commend you on the extra punctuation marks!!! Good to see that my style is rubbing off on you!!!

Lol, not a dig at you mate I have been doing the ??? Thingy for years now, just how I roll.

Minimal change..... yes minimal change. Maloney, whilst a good player is not a rep star! He is not in the same class as Thurston, Cronk, Foran etc...and SBW can't turn everything around all on his own, which Nick seems to be banking on!!!

I see our captain being replaced and a bloke like $BW arriving major changes, and very positive ones at that.

Do you think that these two players alone will turn everything around for us and take us from being a crap team ranked 14th, to a top 4 side and premiership contender????????

Yes, maybe not top 4 but I'd expect top 8 minimum with those additions.

While I strongly agree with you that Bwaiff is $hithouse, can you really blame 'ALL' our problems on him?????????

I've never been a fan of Bwaiffs. I see 7 years of coaches being undermined by the players leading to their sacking, our form dramatically drop and rise strangely often without player additions and some very talented no 6s leave our club and succeed elsewhere. There is one constant thru that era, besides Mini of course.

Don't get me wrong though mate, I have always been saying that the additions of SBW and Maloney along with Bwaiff f**king off is bloody fantastic and will automatically improve our side, 'BUT' that improvement will be handicapped by Smiffy!!!!!!! I see those player changes including sticking with Smiffy taking us from 14th to about 9th/10th. That improvement is based solely on the player changes and 'NOTHING' to do with Smiffy!!!!!! Than on the other hand you take those player changes 'PLUS' Smiffy and Son f**king off then we will improve to be a top 4 side!!!!!!

I believe on the player changes alone we can move into the 8, at least. Thats my opinion.

Where has it been said that we owe it too Smiffy to see out his 4 years as it is in conjunction with our so called 'youth policy'???????????

We owe no one nothing. We will owe Smiff a years pay next season though. IMO the reason we hired Smiff was to help implement this youth policy we seem to be running with. That's always been his strength, bringing youth thru at a club. So that's where I form my opinion, to fully implement what I'm guessing is the clubs plan and Smiffs 4 year contract was a major part of that plan. That's why I think it's only fair to see out what we as a club started. Proactive not reactive and not repeating the mistakes of the past.

We owe Smiffy absolutely nothing, especially with the results he has been achieving the past two years!!!!!!! If you along with the 'I love Smiffy even when he is detrimental to the club' brigade (I am not saying that you are part of the brigade) can't see that Smiffy and Son are not the best coaches for our club and in fact are hindering our progress, then I truly feel sorry for you all as your vision is completely impaired by some feeling of loyalty just because he is our coach, when to me and quite a few others believe that no one is bigger than the club, the club always comes first and if you are holding back our club from being a success then we feel no allegiance to you and strongly feel that in the best interests of the club you must go asap!!!!!!!

That's all just your opinion mate. You are reacting to what you are seeing and you have every right to do that. I myself am trying to see why we are where we are and trying to see where they plan to get out of the position they are in. Smiff isn't the answer long term I'm sure but I think they will let him finish his contract. I don't have a major problem with that. If they move him on I won't be unhappy either. I'm just glad we have targeted 2 players who know how to break a game open and/or close a game out. 2 weeks baby!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol, sorry I can't multi quote mate.

[Bansai Pipeline]

On a side note, I fully expect Sticky to be a disaster at Parra.

I can't believe I was entertaining the thought of him coming back to Easts.

Doesn't want Thurston, sticks with Finch.

FFS.

[Vasco]

On a side note, I fully expect Sticky to be a disaster at Parra.

I can't believe I was entertaining the thought of him coming back to Easts.

Doesn't want Thurston, sticks with Finch.

FFS.

I agree.

They will play much tougher but lack finesse.

If Hayne doesn't fire he will struggle.

[chook 56]

I agree.

They will play much tougher but lack finesse.

If Hayne doesn't fire he will struggle.

Early success....followed by more of the same old.
Glad we didn't get him.

[Guest]

Friends,

The strategies the club have put in to place have been done so that in the future we will not have to go to the extreme of completely rebuilding another time. Manly experienced similar development almost one decade ago after the Northern Eagles and are able to sustain success currently as they can promote young players in to a first grade team experienced with each other and quite talented to make the transition easier. Patience friends as it will all pay dividends.

[Guest]

We should get Tony Smith. I suspect he is Sherlock Smith's Smarter Brother.

[Bansai Pipeline]

How he's managed to re-build his reputation after his downfall at Easts and Cronulla is beyond me.

Eels management obviously fell for his Origin histrionics. Short memories.

[elo]

Friends,

The strategies the club have put in to place have been done so that in the future we will not have to go to the extreme of completely rebuilding another time. Manly experienced similar development almost one decade ago after the Northern Eagles and are able to sustain success currently as they can promote young players in to a first grade team experienced with each other and quite talented to make the transition easier. Patience friends as it will all pay dividends.

What absolute rubbish, the Northern Eagles had no strategy at all - that's why the place imploded. Manly have spent big money buying experienced players such as Bell, Lyon, Orford, Monaghan, Kite, Perry, Kennedy etc etc etc and surrounding them with a few of their best developed players like the Stewart brothers and Watmong to build a formidable team. Their reserve grade and 20s have finished at the bottom of the ladder the last few seasons so we'll see once their older pack retires what they'll do next, I predict buy experienced players yet again. Manly will strive to win at any costs, they couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks of their strategies/poaching, even when the place is in crisis with board spats and off-field dramas they still win on the field which actually irritates me as we are the complete opposite.

****ing Manleeeeeeeeee.

[Guest]

Friends,

The strategies the club have put in to place have been done so that in the future we will not have to go to the extreme of completely rebuilding another time. Manly experienced similar development almost one decade ago after the Northern Eagles and are able to sustain success currently as they can promote young players in to a first grade team experienced with each other and quite talented to make the transition easier. Patience friends as it will all pay dividends.

The only strategy that manly put in place was the most important one of all - having a top coach (hasler). He turned them around and kept them up the top all along since then.

Our club on the other hand has chosen the most pathetic coaches possible in the last 6 years and hence why we have been a joke for most of those last 6 or 7 years.