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    SEPTEMBER 13, 2012 ARTICLE 1 OF 12
    Elite show you always have to look out for No.1
    GLENN JACKSON

    AN OLD coach once told Tim Sheens that you can feel like you've got 14 men on the field when you boast a good fullback - and 12 men if you don't. Yet both old and young coaches would surely agree that has never been truer than today.

    Consider the remaining teams in the competition. All boast top-shelf fullbacks: Ben Barba, Billy Slater, Greg Inglis, Brett Stewart, Matt Bowen and Josh Dugan. It is surely no coincidence that the best six teams in the premiership have six of the best fullbacks.

    ''If you look at every NRL team, fullback is the key player in that team,'' Sydney Roosters No.1 Anthony Minichiello said.

    ''I think teams rely on fullbacks a bit more now. There's a bit more importance in the position. It's a role that covers everything in the game.

    ''You need to be the whole package as a player - you need to be able to do everything. It's not just one skill: catch and kick, ball-playing, defending and supporting as well.''


    Yet this is no ''jack of all trades, master of none'' scenario - some of the fullbacks still in the finals are true masters of the sport.

    Melbourne's slump coincided with Slater being injured, Souths generally perform well when Inglis does similarly, North Queensland's Bowen has been superb in recent weeks while Manly have rarely looked like premiers without Stewart.

    Then there is Barba, the Bulldogs' No.1, who is the Dally M winner, which makes him arguably the most valuable player in the premiership at this moment.

    The statistics back that up. Sportsdata's CVR (contribution value ratings) have Barba at the top of the pile across the season. When it comes to the CVG (the same ratings per game), the remaining fullbacks in the premiership make up six of the top seven positions.

    Parramatta's Jarryd Hayne is the anomaly here. In the ''per match'' statistics, Hayne is the top-ranked No.1. So how did his Eels finish with the wooden spoon?

    One reason could be that Hayne only played 12 matches this season. The fact they were without their key fullback was a key reason why they faltered to such an extent.

    Sheens, the Wests Tigers and Australia coach, stopped short of saying that ball-playing ability had become a prerequisite for fullbacks, yet he acknowledged the importance of having those skills.

    ''Fullbacks in the past had to catch and run the ball,'' Sheens said.

    ''Now, they're runners, ball-players and kickers, and they've got to have pace for the position - virtually winger pace. They don't just kick-return. They need an ability to kick, run and pass.''

    Sheens is not certain when the transition began. It might have done so with Darren Lockyer, a fullback who clearly had the skills of a five-eighth, given that he eventually shifted into that position and became one of the greatest No.6s of all time.

    What he does know is that many current fullbacks have a history at five-eighth or halfback. Bowen and Barba are former five-eighths, while Inglis was a Clive Churchill medallist with Melbourne in 2007 at five-eighth.

    But Inglis only shifted into a full-time fullback role a few games into this season. More renowned as a centre, he was switched to fullback by Rabbitohs coach Michael Maguire, and the move has been a remarkable success.

    Yet Inglis has long maintained he has much to learn in the position - predominantly, he needs to hone the ball-playing skills that the likes of Slater, Bowen, Stewart and Barba show so regularly. ''I've worked on it a fair bit,'' Inglis said.

    It has become clear to him that, even through his career, the position had evolved.

    ''Fullback's definitely changed from when I started,'' Inglis said.

    ''Their ball-playing … the six teams that are left, if you look at the other five fullbacks, the teams are here for a reason - because they're on fire.''



    Well then Mini surely you realise the game has passed you by then or are you saying that you are one of these fullbacks that posses these skills to be the most important player in the team, surely not.... Someone really needs to give him the hard word as it is becoming sad that a legend of the game and club has gone on too long and blocking the development of a young kid coming through. The position is too important now for us to continue with Mini at the back next year just because of the status he holds at the club.

  • #2
    LOL@Mini.

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    • #3
      "Braith".......chapter 2.....the tradition continues.

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      • #4
        Mini's just quoting from the Paul Kent article from the telecrap - that and maybe trying to justify his position in the team. Sorry Mini - you can't fool the Chookpen.
        "Do you expect me to talk"? "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die".

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        • #5
          I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think Mini will shut up a lot of his critics next year. In a properly structured side with a clearly defined role Mini still has a lot to offer. I laugh at the people here saying he is slow... his acceleration is not what it was, but he showed more than once this year he still has plenty of top-end pace.

          Now let the abuse begin!!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Waylander View Post
            I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think Mini will shut up a lot of his critics next year. In a properly structured side with a clearly defined role Mini still has a lot to offer. I laugh at the people here saying he is slow... his acceleration is not what it was, but he showed more than once this year he still has plenty of top-end pace.

            Now let the abuse begin!!
            He can't pass, he can't tackle he even had trouble running through his 250th banner FFS. He is going to be 33, he is finished.

            Also LOL@Mini with those comments.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by fitzy View Post
              He can't pass, he can't tackle he even had trouble running through his 250th banner FFS. He is going to be 33, he is finished.

              Also LOL@Mini with those comments.
              You forgot something.......pretty basic stuff.......catch & hang on to the bloody pill FFS!
              How many times did Mini drop the ball this year?

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              • #8
                That's no way to talk about our club Captain.......
                Member 2008 - forever

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                • #9
                  if Robinson is to have a successful first season in charge he has to make the call to at least shift Mini to the wing, will be good test to see if he is willing to pick players on form rather than reputation.

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                  • #10
                    I would imagine that their will be quite few postions under very close scrutiny in the trial games next year, including fullback. A lot will ride on whether SBW is here, and whether he is played as a centre of backrower. I still believe that Mini will be strongly in the mix simpy because of the lack of experience in the team generally, and especially in the 3/4's.

                    Let's hope that at the end of the day players are chosen on form and the best side takes the field each week.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by fletch View Post
                      if Robinson is to have a successful first season in charge he has to make the call to at least shift Mini to the wing, will be good test to see if he is willing to pick players on form rather than reputation.
                      except that Mini on the wing would get slaughtered. He'd be a real chance of setting a new benchmark for number of times rag-dolled into touch. His legend status notwithstanding, there is simply no place for Mini in the top grade - anywhere.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tony the wheel View Post
                        except that Mini on the wing would get slaughtered. He'd be a real chance of setting a new benchmark for number of times rag-dolled into touch. His legend status notwithstanding, there is simply no place for Mini in the top grade - anywhere.
                        I agree with you, the only problem is there is no way Mini is going to end up at Newtown, unless Robinson has a quiet word to him and suggests its time and he gets a move to European Rugby or the ESL we are just going to have to put up with him, IMO wing is the lesser of two evils, which is such a shame because without question he is tarnishing his legend status at the club.

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                        • #13
                          Mini ain't going nowhere and will be a certainly for first grade next year so get use to it and maybe show the guy a little respect for the meer fact that he is a club legend.
                          Sure he didn't have a good year but he always gave his all. If anything, blame the coaching staff for continuing to select him.
                          Last edited by Thirteen; 09-13-2012, 02:48 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Old winged Rooster flying high
                            A master stroke decision to keep the Roosters fullback, Anthony Minichiello in his preferred position has seen him performing at career's best. Topping the NRL try scorers list with 13 from 10 games shows what a game plan can do.

                            "I am thankful for Robbo (Trent Robbinson) sticking with me. I knew I had more to offer."

                            The Roosters have now sky rocketed into premiership favourites with new recruits Sonny Bill Williams and James Maloney playing a big role.

                            Mean while halfback Mitchell Pearce is a shoe-in for Origin with 10 try assist in as many games and 3 tries.

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                            • #15
                              ''If you look at every NRL team, fullback is the key player in that team,'' Sydney Roosters No.1 Anthony Minichiello said.

                              ''I think teams rely on fullbacks a bit more now. There's a bit more importance in the position. It's a role that covers everything in the game.

                              ''You need to be the whole package as a player - you need to be able to do everything. It's not just one skill: catch and kick, ball-playing, defending and supporting as well.''

                              How can one be so accurate in their assessment of a key position yet so delusional to think they can fullfil it?

                              Minichello has none of the above attributes as a player, oh wait sorry he can catch. But he can't kick, ball-play, defend or support, so how the hell does he think he can match it with any of the number 1's mentioned?

                              The bloke is living in miniland!

                              Chook.

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