Scandal ...again

[Guest]

Actually now that I think about it you are correct, but now I remember it was rumoured that they took the betting option for half time Easts 13+, full time Cows 13+, now that would've paid heaps, I'm pretty sure that bet was available, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't believe such an option exists. You could have Roosters halftime/Cows fulltime but margins don't come into it with half/full doubles. Certainly not with the tab anyway.

[stsae]

Yes there are. Players make mistakes too. Obivously some are made on purpose according to the findings and Tandy. That also means that referees can also make mistakes on purpose as proven in other sports.

Nobody (not even David Smith) can say that it is impossible for any NRL referees to be corrupt. It is just easier for them to get away with it if they were that way inclined because of so many mistakes they make wee in, week out.

I am not saying that any of the referees are corrupt. I am just saying that I am not gullible enough to believe that it is impossible.

That is a very very good post mate.

You only have to look at what we have seen with the betting and drugs scandals. What once seemed stuff of conspiracy theories is now looking like it may very well be closer to reality than we were ever led to believe.

There is no reason to believe that on field officials can't be corrupted. In fact one would Be able to think it would be easier to corrupt a single official in team sports rather than more than one player.

The theory being the less people involved the less chance of a leak.

[Rooster_6]

July 2011

Former NRL referees boss Robert Finch is set to return to where his career began after being appointed executive director of football with the Dragons.

Interesting we never hear or see him in the media these days, must be too busy.

[Guest]

I don't believe such an option exists. You could have Roosters halftime/Cows fulltime but margins don't come into it with half/full doubles. Certainly not with the tab anyway.

Not with the TAB, but there's alot of different agencies offering all sorts of exotics, I'll look into it & let you know if I find out anything, certainly would take the implication of Roosters throwing Fitzy's last game, which I find repulsive to say the least.

[Andrew Walker]

Yes, the 1963 GF is what you're referring to. 50 years ago, when there was nothing like the video coverage that's available now, it would be possible, I'll grant you that. Now however, impossible. Jockeys in those days did some amazing things in horse races too.

You think Horse and harness racing are now squeaky clean too because of video coverage You have well and truly lost your marbles

Some of the things I have seen are almost beyond belief They have got smarter though and it is very very hard to actually prove

[Guest]

Thanks for the link mate.

IMO there is as much evidence of something fishy in the 2010 GF as there was in Fitzys last game. The two feet over the sideline is pretty damning, blindfreddy could see that one. And the same with NewsFilth and some of their questionable side steps of any wrongdoings.

What I mean is what makes one set of rumors more palatable or less loco than another??? IMO it's just what we choose to believe or not believe.

For the record I believe the 2010 GF was just a case of horrible Reffing and one side being able to recover form and finish the game. But I will say Waynekerrs teams over the years have been known to get the run of the calls, that's a fact, I'm sure the stats are out there. He is very good at using his sleepers in the media to help influence officials to look after his teams. Not saying there's anything sinister in his tactics, Jack Gibson was the master of it, so was Bozo. Waynekerr is a huge name in RL, no one wants to disappoint the great man. It's more sub conscience than intent IMO.

Look at it this way, imagine the heat the officials would've copped had the calls and scoreline been reversed in 2010. I bet there would've been calls for a royal commission into Reffing in RL. Only a few media people had the sac and spoke up publicly about what they saw happen as it stood. It would've been pandemonium had we won that way against Waynekerrs wet dreams.

I agree with you about that last game in 2009. At 1/2 time I knew we would lose, we'd been doing the same thing for the past year and a 1/2. But the question must be asked, if it's found they could influence a game like that would it be possible that the same individuals were doing the same thing for a longer period???

I don't hate NewsFilth. I just find it highly insulting that company NEVER takes any blame for ANYTHING. It's Teflon. For such a big global company I do not believe they have never knowingly employed a crook. They always find a patsy to take the heat and exonerate themselves. That's why I highlight them the way I do. IMO someone has to say something at least.

Did you read the article from Hinds about the Administrators of all the sports and clubs??? He does pose some interesting questions IMO.

Touchjudges make appalling decisions all the time. Like that one towards the end of the Sharks/Raiders game in Canberra last year where the guy allowed a try off a pass that was 3m forwward, and the touchie was right there. Incredible. But it happens all the time

I don't think there'd have been a bigger uproar had we won on the back of bad calls at all. The thing about the GF is that after it's played, and the match reports are done, that's it. The season is over. Different had it been a semi or even a regular game.

Bennet probably does have the persona to maybe have it over some of the refs, but you have to remember that 99% of the teams he's been in charge of were really good sides, so less likely to be losing penalty counts etc. Better sides probably do get the rub.

yes, read the Hinds article, and he does raise some good points. He's the best sportswriter in the country. Not an out and out league man, but he learns fast

[Guest]

You think Horse and harness racing are now squeaky clean too because of video coverage You have well and truly lost your marbles

Some of the things I have seen are almost beyond belief They have got smarter though and it is very very hard to actually prove

I certainly don't, quite the opposite. I meant in the old days, with little or no video, they did incredible things like grab other jockeys legs. Things you couldn't get away with nowadays

[Andrew Walker]

I certainly don't, quite the opposite. I meant in the old days, with little or no video, they did incredible things like grab other jockeys legs. Things you couldn't get away with nowadays

Um He did get caught for that and lost the race on protest and was immediately disqualified for life From memory Mel Schumacher is the jockey you are talking about Blue Era / Summer Fair AJC Derby

[Guest]

Um He did get caught for that and lost the race on protest and was immediately disqualified for life From memory Mel Schumacher is the jockey you are talking about Blue Era / Summer Fair AJC Derby

Good memory Andy. He was caught because a journalist happened to take a photo at the exact time it happened. My point was, imagine all the other times similar things happened and there was no "miracle" photo taken at the exact second

[stsae]

Touchjudges make appalling decisions all the time. Like that one towards the end of the Sharks/Raiders game in Canberra last year where the guy allowed a try off a pass that was 3m forwward, and the touchie was right there. Incredible. But it happens all the time

I don't think there'd have been a bigger uproar had we won on the back of bad calls at all. The thing about the GF is that after it's played, and the match reports are done, that's it. The season is over. Different had it been a semi or even a regular game.

Bennet probably does have the persona to maybe have it over some of the refs, but you have to remember that 99% of the teams he's been in charge of were really good sides, so less likely to be losing penalty counts etc. Better sides probably do get the rub.

yes, read the Hinds article, and he does raise some good points. He's the best sportswriter in the country. Not an out and out league man, but he learns fast

Forward passes are judgement calls mate, you really can't compare those calls to two feet over the sideline well before the balls been passed. I know officials make mistakes like players and coaches, they are only human after all.

But if they are only human isn't it then correct to comment on the fact that being only human there exists the very real possibility that officials can show the same human traits like taking bribes or rigging results???

Really that's all anyone is saying. If it's been proven that players have crossed the line, and they are only as human as officials, well its more than reasonable to apply the same set of criteria to every human involved??? That being there is the very real possibility officials may have been involved in match fixing at some point. 2010 is used as an example cos it affected us personally and it was very graphic the mistakes made, whether they be intentional or not is really not the point. The very real possibility exists.

We can agree to disagree on the reversed result and the up roar that may or may not have occurred.

I do agree with the better sides get the rub, that IMO covers all sports. And it also highlights my point to a degree, the human factor. Officials will know the better teams and players and know their abilities and will always lean towards that mentality. It's human nature IMO. If two blokes get arrested and one looks like a bum and the other is in a suit you can almost guarantee the way they will be treated by the authorities will differ. Being the man in the suit will be treated better. Those sorts of social experiments have been proven many times over. IMO that would count for all officials in all sports.

And IMO the above can be used for Waynekerr and his ilk, again in all sports. The guru type coaches teams tend to get treated differently than say a maligned character like Bwian Smiff. It's human nature IMO.

The more I read Hinds stuff the more I tend to agree, quality IMO. So what did you think, should questions be asked of sports administrators??? Especially NewsFilth as they have been the gatekeepers of our game thru a lot of very questionable activities??? Cmon I know you want to agree with me.

[Spirit of 66]

Anyone who thinks that NRL match officials are immune to corruption is delusional.

And of all the sporting codes, I'd say that Rugby League is most at risk simply because officials have the power to make so many subjective calls. In tennis, the ball is either in or out and the umpire has little opportunity to influence the result. In League, on the other hand, a referee could easily orchestrate a win for any team through his highly variable interpretation of holding down in the tackle, the 10 meters, forward passes (particularly from the dummy half) and penalties.

Let's face it. NRL referees are generally low IQ duffers who are on a relatively low wage. A neat hundred grand in an envelope would be very tempting.

[Guest]

Some suggestions that one of the players named in the report had the news leaked to him and subsequently pulled out of the All Stars game...

[mightyrooster]

Some suggestions that one of the players named in the report had the news leaked to him and subsequently pulled out of the All Stars game...

Really? Well I won't say it on a public forum other than to say...the plot thickens.

[Andrew Walker]

Some suggestions that one of the players named in the report had the news leaked to him and subsequently pulled out of the All Stars game...

Is he playing in a trail for his club instead ? Or is he not playing this week all together ?

[mightyrooster]

Or would a certain 'journo' have an interest in his club?