Scandal ...again

[Andrew Walker]

there's the link

http://www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/a...813612020.html

what is the difference between these suggestions and your claims that the refs were biased against us in the 2010 GF? Well, these suggestions actually contain a little bit of evidence. St George did get the benefit of some terrible calls, but only someone who has lost his grip on reality would suggest that a referee went out there looking to favour a side. Just doesn't happen. I'm not even deadling with the question of your news ltd paranoia, as I think deep down even you know that that's all it is

For what it's worth I watched that cowboys game 3 times and parts of it more than that, and I think the suspicions are unfounded. I've worked in sports betting and the amounts Munsie was talking about aren't uncommon at all on a 13+ option. And given how poor we were going, they presented as a valid option. I was going to back the cows h2h that day myself, but couldn't bring myself to on the grounds it was fitzy's last game. I'm not sure there's been an easts side in history that I've felt less attached to than the 2009 side

So you are saying every referee Who has ever refereed a 1st grade match of Rugby League Has refereed it with the the highest integrity ?


You are the one who has lost your grip on reality

Who was that referee years ago Who robbed Wests of GF against St George ironically


As for suspect matches The one I found suspect last year was the rnd 24 or 25 Canberra Bulldogs match

[Guest]

So what you are saying TOK is that there is no possibility that any match officials in any game anywhere in the world would fix the result of a game?

It would be difficult to hide a bet placed on the competition favourites from the beginning of the year and then have an 8-0 record refereeing that team throughout the year where other referees have a 60% win:lose ratio. Just a hypothetical example I am throwing out. Not implying anything.

no, referring to the NRL

Your hypothetical example is absurd

[BUDDY]

no, referring to the NRL
Your hypothetical example is absurd

Think NRL is immune to such corruption is absurd and very naive.

[Andrew Walker]

no, referring to the NRL

Your hypothetical example is absurd

So you acknowledge that it happens in other sports. But firmly believe it has never happened or could never happen in NRL

How do you explain this ?

Oh and who was that referee in that St GeORGE Wests GF who robbed Wests Whom from memory was later found to have bet on St George in that match

[Guest]

So you acknowledge that it happens in other sports. But firmly believe it has never happened or could never happen in NRL

How do you explain this ?

Oh and who was that referee in that St GeORGE Wests GF who robbed Wests Whom from memory was later found to have bet on St George in that match

Yes, the 1963 GF is what you're referring to. 50 years ago, when there was nothing like the video coverage that's available now, it would be possible, I'll grant you that. Now however, impossible. Jockeys in those days did some amazing things in horse races too.

[BUDDY]

Yes, the 1963 GF is what you're referring to. 50 years ago, when there was nothing like the video coverage that's available now, it would be possible, I'll grant you that. Now however, impossible. Jockeys in those days did some amazing things in horse races too.

What a stupid argument. With the video coverage today how many mistakes are picked up every single game including major blunders in grand finals? So they are just all honest mistakes because they are human? Gullible at the extreme TOK.

[Rooster_6]

Think NRL is immune to such corruption is absurd and very naive.

Yeh in the past few years we've covered; Salary cap rorting, player match fixing & now potentially performance enhancing.

To say that questioning referees is losing a grip on reality is a little ironic. Reality is Refs are people too, they're just as susceptible to making poor decisions like the players, administrators and coaches of our game have done in the past.

[Guest]

Performance enhancing drugs in sport is one thing. That's bigger than League or AFL or Australia. That's a global issue.

But match fixing, that's something else.

If we threw matches, I fully support lifetime bans for any of our players.

Fcuk that.

As a lifelong football fan, that's heart breaking.

But Pipe the implication is that they are connected, because the drugs are supplied by the crims which makes the player in debt & vulnerable to the crims, who are then owed Ryan Tandy like favours!

That Cows game sucked, especially for Fitzy, but I also remember the Cows were rumoured to have rigged it too, laying down in the first half increased the odds for a 13 plus win at half time only for Thursty to start playing in the second half & blow us off the park, he really did do nothing in the first half.

[Guest]

What a stupid argument. With the video coverage today how many mistakes are picked up every single game including major blunders in grand finals? So they are just all honest mistakes because they are human? Gullible at the extreme TOK.

Yes, that's what they are. Human and in some case incompetent.

As you say, there are mistake in every single game.

[Guest]

But Pipe the implication is that they are connected, because the drugs are supplied by the crims which makes the player in debt & vulnerable to the crims, who are then owed Ryan Tandy like favours!

That Cows game sucked, especially for Fitzy, but I also remember the Cows were rumoured to have rigged it too, laying down in the first half increased the odds for a 13 plus win at half time only for Thursty to start playing in the second half & blow us off the park, he really did do nothing in the first half.

there is no margin betting available once the game has started

[BUDDY]

Yes, that's what they are. Human and in some case incompetent.

As you say, there are mistake in every single game.

Yes there are. Players make mistakes too. Obivously some are made on purpose according to the findings and Tandy. That also means that referees can also make mistakes on purpose as proven in other sports.

Nobody (not even David Smith) can say that it is impossible for any NRL referees to be corrupt. It is just easier for them to get away with it if they were that way inclined because of so many mistakes they make wee in, week out.

I am not saying that any of the referees are corrupt. I am just saying that I am not gullible enough to believe that it is impossible.

[Guest]

Yes there are. Players make mistakes too. Obivously some are made on purpose according to the findings and Tandy. That also means that referees can also make mistakes on purpose as proven in other sports.

Nobody (not even David Smith) can say that it is impossible for any NRL referees to be corrupt. It is just easier for them to get away with it if they were that way inclined because of so many mistakes they make wee in, week out.

I am not saying that any of the referees are corrupt. I am just saying that I am not gullible enough to believe that it is impossible.

I meant impossible to do and get away with. Theoretically of course it would be possible for a referee to attempt to influence the outcome of an NRL game. I don't believe it happens

[Guest]

there is no margin betting available once the game has started

Actually now that I think about it you are correct, but now I remember it was rumoured that they took the betting option for half time Easts 13+, full time Cows 13+, now that would've paid heaps, I'm pretty sure that bet was available, please correct me if I'm wrong.

[stsae]

there's the link

http://www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/a...813612020.html

what is the difference between these suggestions and your claims that the refs were biased against us in the 2010 GF? Well, these suggestions actually contain a little bit of evidence. St George did get the benefit of some terrible calls, but only someone who has lost his grip on reality would suggest that a referee went out there looking to favour a side. Just doesn't happen. I'm not even deadling with the question of your news ltd paranoia, as I think deep down even you know that that's all it is

For what it's worth I watched that cowboys game 3 times and parts of it more than that, and I think the suspicions are unfounded. I've worked in sports betting and the amounts Munsie was talking about aren't uncommon at all on a 13+ option. And given how poor we were going, they presented as a valid option. I was going to back the cows h2h that day myself, but couldn't bring myself to on the grounds it was fitzy's last game. I'm not sure there's been an easts side in history that I've felt less attached to than the 2009 side

Thanks for the link mate.

IMO there is as much evidence of something fishy in the 2010 GF as there was in Fitzys last game. The two feet over the sideline is pretty damning, blindfreddy could see that one. And the same with NewsFilth and some of their questionable side steps of any wrongdoings.

What I mean is what makes one set of rumors more palatable or less loco than another??? IMO it's just what we choose to believe or not believe.

For the record I believe the 2010 GF was just a case of horrible Reffing and one side being able to recover form and finish the game. But I will say Waynekerrs teams over the years have been known to get the run of the calls, that's a fact, I'm sure the stats are out there. He is very good at using his sleepers in the media to help influence officials to look after his teams. Not saying there's anything sinister in his tactics, Jack Gibson was the master of it, so was Bozo. Waynekerr is a huge name in RL, no one wants to disappoint the great man. It's more sub conscience than intent IMO.

Look at it this way, imagine the heat the officials would've copped had the calls and scoreline been reversed in 2010. I bet there would've been calls for a royal commission into Reffing in RL. Only a few media people had the sac and spoke up publicly about what they saw happen as it stood. It would've been pandemonium had we won that way against Waynekerrs wet dreams.

I agree with you about that last game in 2009. At 1/2 time I knew we would lose, we'd been doing the same thing for the past year and a 1/2. But the question must be asked, if it's found they could influence a game like that would it be possible that the same individuals were doing the same thing for a longer period???

I don't hate NewsFilth. I just find it highly insulting that company NEVER takes any blame for ANYTHING. It's Teflon. For such a big global company I do not believe they have never knowingly employed a crook. They always find a patsy to take the heat and exonerate themselves. That's why I highlight them the way I do. IMO someone has to say something at least.

Did you read the article from Hinds about the Administrators of all the sports and clubs??? He does pose some interesting questions IMO.

[Guest]

I meant impossible to do and get away with. Theoretically of course it would be possible for a referee to attempt to influence the outcome of an NRL game. I don't believe it happens

Have you heard of Tim Donaghy?

I would think it would be much easier for criminals to get hold of an individual than try and fix a game needing numerous players. Not to mention the referee actually controls the game.

Also regarding bookies whinging that's what they do when they lose. You never hear a word from them when they get the lot.