Picking through the stats

[roostwin]

These stats are pretty much useless unless you take into consideration the minutes played

for example

JWH played 52 minutes for 108m and 33 tackles averaging 2.07metres gained per minute played and 0.63 tackles per minute played

Moa played 55 minutes for 106m and 22 tackles averaging 1.92metres gained per minute played and 0.4 tackles per minute played

JWH excellent and Moa very good and both are rightfully receiving praise around here

but take a look at Kennedy's stats below and I think it is amazing that he is being called things like softcock by a fair few people

Played 31 minutes 71 metres and 19 tackles averaging 2.29metres per minute played and 0.61 tackles per minute played


Also not sure why you consider FPN's and Arona's workrate and metres gained a problem when they played 49 minutes and 25 minutes respectively yet didn't mention Guerra who played more time 55 minutes and only made 6 hitups for 33m, 14 tackles and 2 missed tackles?

The only problem i see with your stats are, it does not take into account what is happening to the defence at the time the players are taking their hit ups.
Where we on a roll at the time Kennedy got the ball? If so Kennedy's metres would have been more easily gained.

Just watching the game i think JWH had to really push for his meters where as Kennedy seemed easy for the defence to stop.
I think he does need to get a bit more mungrel in him. I think he will improve, may need some more time on the field to improve his confindence in his body to pull through a game with out injury.

[stsae]

but take a look at Kennedy's stats below and I think it is amazing that he is being called things like softcock by a fair few people

Played 31 minutes 71 metres and 19 tackles averaging 2.29metres per minute played and 0.61 tackles per minute played


Also not sure why you consider FPN's and Arona's workrate and metres gained a problem when they played 49 minutes and 25 minutes respectively yet didn't mention Guerra who played more time 55 minutes and only made 6 hitups for 33m, 14 tackles and 2 missed tackles?

Interesting.

Seems like the Fan Faves can do no wrong with excuses being made but the Fans Scapegoats have to know their place.

I can't work out if it's follow the leader on here or if many had too many cans or if they need glasses???

But I've seen a lot of the blame game since last night and a lot of it is proportioned to the wrong player which seems to co-incide with whose the flavor of the month and who's not.

[Guest]

Now those stats are quality.



Why then have I seen so many bagging his game???

Because he doesn't pull off big hits or score tries. He just does his job and the job of those around him for no credit. Head down bum up with no bells and whistles

[stsae]

Because he doesn't pull off big hits or score tries. He just does his job and the job of those around him for no credit. Head down bum up with no bells and whistles

Your best post ever.

I love you again, maaaaaaaaaaate. Let's kiss.

[Bansai Pipeline]

maubs

28 tackles
77 mtrs
2 line breaks
4 tackle busts
no missed tackles

my eventual solution...

drop SKD to newtown and put SBW at centre

LOD and Cords to come back in and we find a decent prop to partner MOA and JWH if kennedy doesnt start pulling his weight

SBW at centre is a better idea than RTS at centre.

Gotta happen.

[Spanner in the works]

These are the stats that matter:

Possession:
Souths: 56
Easts: 44

Completions:
Souths: 34/41
Easts: 20/31

Errors:
Souths: 7
Easts: 12

Penalties:
Souths: 4
Easts: 9


Dumb penalties, no possession, no control = loss. Same as last year, same as the last few years.

[chook 56]

Those stats sort of tell the story, Spanner.
A lot of good signs but fell back into bad habits at the wrong times.

[Game Fowl]

SBW at centre is a better idea than RTS at centre.

Gotta happen.

SBW can tackle ,can intimidate opposition with size, has got an ability to off load in traffic and make anyone who supports look good, a little wider he has got room to move , opposition will spread wide to protect the edge , this opens the middle - makes sense win/ win.
Not trying to be an amateur coach but it has merit.

[Roostarz]

I'm surprised some people are throwing up SBW in the centres..it's not the solution IMO. Problem is, there probably is no other solution, barring playing SKD and moving RTS to fullback where he belongs. Twice I counted SBW made a tackle that was almost a linebreak, 1 where Inglis ran straight through behind our markers and SBW was the only one that stopped him from running 40 metres and strolling over Minichiello in the process.

When you look out JWH and Moa's stats they look alright but compare them to G.Burgess, in his 4th game of first grade;
Minutes - Moa 55, JWH 52, Burgess 29
Metres - Burgess 147, Moa 118, JWH 109
Tackle Breaks - Burgess 6, Moa 1, JWH 0
Line breaks - Burgess 1, Moa/JWH 0
Line break assists - Burgess 1, Moa/JWH 0
Also grabbed a try.

He obviously had a great game and it's tough to compare but for a 20 year old to show up all 4 of our front rowers it's a bit embarrassing.

[Cockadoodledoo]

I'm surprised some people are throwing up SBW in the centres..it's not the solution IMO. Problem is, there probably is no other solution, barring playing SKD and moving RTS to fullback where he belongs. Twice I counted SBW made a tackle that was almost a linebreak, 1 where Inglis ran straight through behind our markers and SBW was the only one that stopped him from running 40 metres and strolling over Minichiello in the process.

When you look out JWH and Moa's stats they look alright but compare them to G.Burgess, in his 4th game of first grade;
Minutes - Moa 55, JWH 52, Burgess 29
Metres - Burgess 147, Moa 118, JWH 109
Tackle Breaks - Burgess 6, Moa 1, JWH 0
Line breaks - Burgess 1, Moa/JWH 0
Line break assists - Burgess 1, Moa/JWH 0
Also grabbed a try.

He obviously had a great game and it's tough to compare but for a 20 year old to show up all 4 of our front rowers it's a bit embarrassing.

I agree to an extent what you are saying. Burgess benefitted from being on the field when Souths had all the ball but imho the front row is our biggest weakness. I like Moa but still fell he is a bench front rower and not a top line starter. JWH is our only genuine starting front rower. This is really going to hurt us all season as it has in the past few. The other issues are hooker and fullback. Neither would rank in the top 10 in the comp for their respective positions. We have to give Robinson time to get the squad he wants and it will take a few years to get rid of the guys who aren't up to it.

[Newcroosters]

These are the stats that matter:

Possession:
Souths: 56
Easts: 44

Completions:
Souths: 34/41
Easts: 20/31

Errors:
Souths: 7
Easts: 12

Penalties:
Souths: 4
Easts: 9


Dumb penalties, no possession, no control = loss. Same as last year, same as the last few years.

I see we also came out in front on the line breaks 6-4

[ism22]

The stats basically confirm what happened:
1) We got no real chances to attack or go forward but Jennings demonstrated his ability to make tackle busts against the grain.
2) We were poorly disciplined.
3) When we did have ball we played it down the left edge because it's stronger (Maloney, Jennings, Tupou... with Mini and SBW lurching over when needed.)