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I don't know how the ref came to the conclusion that it was a NO TRY. It's the major flaw of the new system imo.
The referee should be able to say he has 'NO OPINION' on the play and then it's up to the video ref to find evidence one way or the other and if he's still unsure rule on the probability of what would have most likely happened.
Aside from that I think it's a much more effective and efficient way to review tries.
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Originally posted by Rooster_6 View PostI don't know how the ref came to the conclusion that it was a NO TRY. It's the major flaw of the new system imo.
The referee should be able to say he has 'NO OPINION' on the play and then it's up to the video ref to find evidence one way or the other and if he's still unsure rule on the probability of what would have most likely happened.
Aside from that I think it's a much more effective and efficient way to review tries.
How did he come to the conclusion no try, because he made a judgement call which is what there supposed to do.
They got rid of the worst thing ever introduced to video referrals and that was benefit of the doubt. The ref sees it on the field and makes a call of what he sees in real time. If you watch that in real time it looks clear cut Jennings goes into touch.
You can not see Jennings put that ball on or over the line from any of the super slow replays so how the **** does the bloke upstairs say to the ref " we'll it looks like he could have got the ball down before he went out so I'm going to award the try" how the **** do you rule on probability? You either see its a try or you don't plain and simple,it's not complicated.
If the ref kept sending shit upstairs and saying " I got no idea tell me what you think" or we gave them that option too it would turn into a bigger shit fight. Of all the matches so far, how many decisions have been turned over up stairs? Not many, so the refs are going pretty good when you tell them to make a decision before you send it up stairs
I love the fact the ref says that's a try but check etc etc. that's his job to ref the game as he sees it. The longer this keeps happening the better the refs will get all over the park. They will start to get more respect from the players too.
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Originally posted by Rooboy View PostThat is one of the dumbest posts I have read recently and fark there have been a few over the last couple of days.
How did he come to the conclusion no try, because he made a judgement call which is what there supposed to do.
They got rid of the worst thing ever introduced to video referrals and that was benefit of the doubt. The ref sees it on the field and makes a call of what he sees in real time. If you watch that in real time it looks clear cut Jennings goes into touch.
You can not see Jennings put that ball on or over the line from any of the super slow replays so how the **** does the bloke upstairs say to the ref " we'll it looks like he could have got the ball down before he went out so I'm going to award the try" how the **** do you rule on probability? You either see its a try or you don't plain and simple,it's not complicated.
If the ref kept sending shit upstairs and saying " I got no idea tell me what you think" or we gave them that option too it would turn into a bigger shit fight. Of all the matches so far, how many decisions have been turned over up stairs? Not many, so the refs are going pretty good when you tell them to make a decision before you send it up stairs
I love the fact the ref says that's a try but check etc etc. that's his job to ref the game as he sees it. The longer this keeps happening the better the refs will get all over the park. They will start to get more respect from the players too.
What I'm saying is why shouldn't a ref also be allowed to have an opinion in rare instances where he is lagging behind play. Look where the touchie and ref are, their ruling would have been nothing more than guess work.
In this instance I'm not to fussed, I know lots of people think it was a try but I thought it was way too hard to tell.
Here's a hypothetical;
Ref struggles to keep up with play and sees it unfold from 15-20 metres away, by the rules he has to give his opinion but in reality he's just making an educated guess. He's about 51% sure he's correct. The video ref gets numerous looks from different angles and in super slow mo, probability is about 80% that the try was scored BUT because the evidence is not conclusive he can't overturn a decision that to begin with was nothing more than a guess.
Fair?
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Originally posted by Rooster_6 View PostI agree the current system is miles better, the benefit of the doubt was crap.
What I'm saying is why shouldn't a ref also be allowed to have an opinion in rare instances where he is lagging behind play. Look where the touchie and ref are, their ruling would have been nothing more than guess work.
In this instance I'm not to fussed, I know lots of people think it was a try but I thought it was way too hard to tell.
Here's a hypothetical;
Ref struggles to keep up with play and sees it unfold from 15-20 metres away, by the rules he has to give his opinion but in reality he's just making an educated guess. He's about 51% sure he's correct. The video ref gets numerous looks from different angles and in super slow mo, probability is about 80% that the try was scored BUT because the evidence is not conclusive he can't overturn a decision that to begin with was nothing more than a guess.
Fair?
That is going back to benefit of the doubt.
The other point is, so what if a ref makes a judgement call and it's wrong, they are going to make mistakes it's always going to happen. There never going to get every call right. No team ever plays the perfect game where they don't miss a tackle don't drop a ball complete every set and take the right option every time so why do we expect the ref to do the same?
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Originally posted by Rooster_6 View PostI don't know how the ref came to the conclusion that it was a NO TRY. It's the major flaw of the new system imo.
The referee should be able to say he has 'NO OPINION' on the play and then it's up to the video ref to find evidence one way or the other and if he's still unsure rule on the probability of what would have most likely happened.
Aside from that I think it's a much more effective and efficient way to review tries.
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Originally posted by Showsh View PostIm with you Rooster 6, I watched it time & time again on TV & I couldnt not say yes or no, benefit of the doubt should go to the attacking team!
The ref and touchy make a call on the field as they see it and then the video ref checks it. If he can not 100% say that it was a try or no try they stick with the original call by the blokes on the paddock.
Benefit of the doubt was one of the dumbest rules ever introduced to football. It is either a try or it isn't and sorry to say it but I never saw Jennings get that ball down on or over the line, no one did so it was a fair call.
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Originally posted by Rooboy View PostThere is no more benefit of the doubt.
The ref and touchy make a call on the field as they see it and then the video ref checks it. If he can not 100% say that it was a try or no try they stick with the original call by the blokes on the paddock.
Benefit of the doubt was one of the dumbest rules ever introduced to football. It is either a try or it isn't and sorry to say it but I never saw Jennings get that ball down on or over the line, no one did so it was a fair call.
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