Holden Cup 20s Comp

[Guest]

I reckon it needs to be punted , and the Nrl admit they got it wrong , go back to jersey flegg under 21s Nsw Cup as the true NRL res grade , ive watched alot of 20s games this year , the standards appalling , its just my opinon but its breeding bad habits , the defensive percentages of most of these teams leaves alot to be desired , no one has been able to tell me why the defense averages in this comp are so high , from memory 1 team last year had over 600 points scored against them like WTF, grapplers and shirt pullers , not the ideal platform for a 1st grader thoughts?

[Guest]

It's been discussed here a few times. The "three grades at the ground on the day" thing is over -
1. doesn't work for Friday or Monday night games
2. Is too expensive to fly 3 teams around the country and NZ
3. three games is too much strain on the major grounds

IMO, we need to make the Holden Cup Under 22s with up to four open age spots per game. This gives an (imperfect) compromise between Reggies and U20s.

[Guest]

It's been discussed here a few times. The "three grades at the ground on the day" thing is over -
1. doesn't work for Friday or Monday night games
2. Is too expensive to fly 3 teams around the country and NZ
3. three games is too much strain on the major grounds

IMO, we need to make the Holden Cup Under 22s with up to four open age spots per game. This gives an (imperfect) compromise between Reggies and U20s.

Ticket, why the need to compromise? Why not just make it reserve grade and first on game day? Let the kids play in their local NSW/QLD/NZ comps with 'Finals' being staged during NRL finals and fly the Reggies around to each game with the firsts? If the younger kids are good enough, they can still step up to Reggies.

[Guest]

Ticket, why the need to compromise? Why not just make it reserve grade and first on game day? Let the kids play in their local NSW/QLD/NZ comps with 'Finals' being staged during NRL finals and fly the Reggies around to each game with the firsts? If the younger kids are good enough, they can still step up to Reggies.

I hear ya Fletch, but there are two things I reckon that might miss:

1. The Holden Cup has a "personal development" side to it - the kids all need to work or study and I reckon this is an important element
2. The gap may then just go the other way - right now the gap from U20s to first grade is too big, if you just make it Reggies then potentially the gap from park footy/SG Ball becomes too great and we end up damaging the pipeline.

[Guest]

I hear ya Fletch, but there are two things I reckon that might miss:

1. The Holden Cup has a "personal development" side to it - the kids all need to work or study and I reckon this is an important element
2. The gap may then just go the other way - right now the gap from U20s to first grade is too big, if you just make it Reggies then potentially the gap from park footy/SG Ball becomes too great and we end up damaging the pipeline.

Having the 20's play on say a Sunday arvo at suburban grounds would still allow for a proper reggies. They can still study and work as they do now.
The kids who don't make reggies can then go play either bundy cup, nsw cup, qld cup etc. clubs can stil affiliate with teams like the jets and Mounties and Wenty. Those kids that aren't up to reggies will filter onto those affiliated teams.
It can work if the league want to make it work. They can still televise the games if they play 20's where nsw cup is played.
Now news limited is gone I hope the commission is looking into fixing the lower tiers of footy

[TDK]

It's been discussed here a few times. The "three grades at the ground on the day" thing is over -
1. doesn't work for Friday or Monday night games
2. Is too expensive to fly 3 teams around the country and NZ
3. three games is too much strain on the major grounds

IMO, we need to make the Holden Cup Under 22s with up to four open age spots per game. This gives an (imperfect) compromise between Reggies and U20s.

Unfortunately the Holden cup has become a necessary evil for many clubs. There are a number of clubs that don't take this competition too serious and elect to play their top under 20 players in the NSW cup, they feel it prepares them more adequately than the Holden cup.

[theGman]

Having the 20's play on say a Sunday arvo at suburban grounds would still allow for a proper reggies. They can still study and work as they do now.
The kids who don't make reggies can then go play either bundy cup, nsw cup, qld cup etc. clubs can stil affiliate with teams like the jets and Mounties and Wenty. Those kids that aren't up to reggies will filter onto those affiliated teams.
It can work if the league want to make it work. They can still televise the games if they play 20's where nsw cup is played.
Now news limited is gone I hope the commission is looking into fixing the lower tiers of footy

Jim Doyle (who like Greenturd reports directly to Dave Smith) has been tasked with reviewing the present model across the code.
Hopefully common sense prevails and us league diehards get to enjoy the return of all 3 grades on game day like it used to be i.e -
11.15am U20s
1pm Reserve grade/NSW Cup
3pm 1st grade

[Guest]

Jim Doyle (who like Greenturd reports directly to Dave Smith) has been tasked with reviewing the present model across the code.
Hopefully common sense prevails and us league diehards get to enjoy the return of all 3 grades on game day like it used to be i.e -
11.15am U20s
1pm Reserve grade/NSW Cup
3pm 1st grade

The problem with all three games at the one ground is the wear and tear on the pitches. Imagine ANZ having 6 games played there on the one weekend. It would **** the ground up beyond repair

[Guest]

Jim Doyle (who like Greenturd reports directly to Dave Smith) has been tasked with reviewing the present model across the code.
Hopefully common sense prevails and us league diehards get to enjoy the return of all 3 grades on game day like it used to be i.e -
11.15am U20s
1pm Reserve grade/NSW Cup
3pm 1st grade

id love that bring it back im down

[stsae]

The problem with all three games at the one ground is the wear and tear on the pitches. Imagine ANZ having 6 games played there on the one weekend. It would **** the ground up beyond repair

That old chestnut.

Test cricket goes for 5 days, 6 hours a day minimum, they play for 30 hours in spikes with shorter grass covering and I don't see ovals being ripped to shreds.

Just doesn't happen.

They will sprout a billion excuses, the powers that used to be, NewsFilth, the real reason is $$$$.

As always.

[chook 56]

Over to you, Tony.

[chook 56]

And I wanna see wet days again where no one knew who was who.....every player was poo brown.
Them was the days .......sigh.

[chook 56]

Imagine Rabbits Warren trying to call a game like that!

[Guest]

they should lift the age restriction to 21 or 22 - it will improve the standard and in all fairness, most players that are good enough for first grade are ready at 21 or 22 if not earlier. NSW cup is serving a purpose. In a lot of respects you cant have your cake and eat it - on the one hand, we are trying to keep teams like Newtown, the bears alive by allowing us and souths to use them as a feeder team so if you re-introduce reserve grade, those clubs effectively collapse.

[stsae]

they should lift the age restriction to 21 or 22 - it will improve the standard and in all fairness, most players that are good enough for first grade are ready at 21 or 22 if not earlier. NSW cup is serving a purpose. In a lot of respects you cant have your cake and eat it - on the one hand, we are trying to keep teams like Newtown, the bears alive by allowing us and souths to use them as a feeder team so if you re-introduce reserve grade, those clubs effectively collapse.

No they don't, they stay where they are, where they were before this madness took hold, when NewsFilth took over the game and changed the fabric of it so they could make lots of $$$$.

I don't see the justification of keeping a few dead clubs alive in a badly run half arsed reserves comp that they could have anyways and did have called the Metro Cup.

Doesn't make sense.