Roosters captain for 2010

[Guest]

I think what Muzz is trying to say is that you can not compare something like percentages of a players input.....

Everyone on these forums have opions of what they would like a certain player to put in, it doesnt mean that person is right or wrong, and you certainly can not compare this level between players, whom are in themselves, induviduals.......

Hmm I don't think you understood my stats judging by your first comment

The second part you seem to be going to great lengths to find excuses for Willies lack of endeavour.

Probably better to compare him against his peers. Those players who played mainly 2nd row and averaged between 50 - 65 minutes per game minimum 10 games

MPM
Ben Matulino 1.86
Sika Manu 1.85
Mark Minichiello 1.79
Frank Pritchard 1.76
Shane Shackleton 1.67
Willie Mason 1.44

[Guest]

Hmm I don't think you understood my stats judging by your first comment

The second part you seem to be going to great lengths to find excuses for Willies lack of endeavour.

Probably better to compare him against his peers. Those players who played mainly 2nd row and averaged between 50 - 65 minutes per game minimum 10 games

MPM
Ben Matulino 1.86
Sika Manu 1.85
Mark Minichiello 1.79
Frank Pritchard 1.76
Shane Shackleton 1.67
Willie Mason 1.44

I dont need excuse... but apprently you do, seeing as though you keep harping on the fact......

I get stats off my 8 year old David Middleton......so they are nothing new to read......

Just face it, you dont like Willy.....not many do, but thats kind of irrelivent seeing as though neither you nor I decide whom stays in the team and whom does not......

[Guest]

He had a major falling out with freddy(like most)

The last 3 weeks he was started on the bench when the prvious weeks he had started, does the guy have to score every week???

he always seems top be the one making the last ditched tackle, in his limited time he makes more metres than the other blokes.

He is the only bloke that could lead this team out of the mire.

Are you talking about Myles? Because he is the only one from our team who consistantly does what you listed.

[Guest]

I dont need excuse... but apprently you do, seeing as though you keep harping on the fact......

I get stats off my 8 year old David Middleton......so they are nothing new to read......

Just face it, you dont like Willy.....not many do, but thats kind of irrelivent seeing as though neither you nor I decide whom stays in the team and whom does not......

If I can use stats as supporting evidence to my opinion that Willie does not put in 100% all of the time and only when he feels like it then I will. The stats I'provided won't be found anywhere else because they were calculated by me. If you can point me to somewhere else they appear I'd be greatly surprised. My opinion of Willie off the field does not even enter the equation when evaluating his performance on it.

[Guest]

judging by those stats though, fitzy did even less than mase.

[Guest]

judging by those stats though, fitzy did even less than mase.

Fitzy made a lot more tackles though

[Guest]

you cant quantify everything that a player adds to a team. and you cant be selective about which stats to include and exclude.

[Guest]

you cant quantify everything that a player adds to a team. and you cant be selective about which stats to include and exclude.

Never said you could

[stsae]

Captains are leaders, blokes who the others follow, blokes who players gravitate to in the dressing room and socially.

Who is that person in our club???

Id guess Willie, so hed be my choice. Plus I believe it will challenge the bloke.

Anyone noticed how good Mozz has done captaining Warrington??? He shouldve been our captain after Freddo retired.

Nate Pyles farked up royally this year. Hed have been my choice, hes a leader, the way he reacts on the field must inspire his teammates. Shame he shat himself.

Crock should be Souffs captain. Blokes love playing with Les Norton.

[Guest]

Captains are leaders, blokes who the others follow, blokes who players gravitate to in the dressing room and socially.
Who is that person in our club???

Id guess Willie, so hed be my choice. Plus I believe it will challenge the bloke.

Anyone noticed how good Mozz has done captaining Warrington??? He shouldve been our captain after Freddo retired.

Nate Pyles farked up royally this year. Hed have been my choice, hes a leader, the way he reacts on the field must inspire his teammates. Shame he shat himself.

Crock should be Souffs captain. Blokes love playing with Les Norton.

TBH do we have any evidence that that is the case?

[stsae]

TBH do we have any evidence that that is the case?

Thats why I asked "Who is that person in our club???" mate.

Im not sure, I dont mix with the players or sit in the dressingroom. I just have given my opinion on what ive heard and what I have observed from afar.

From what people say who do seem to know what goes on Mason is the sort of character other players seem to follow.

Bwaiff on the other hand comes across to me as a bloke who isnt that well respected by his peers. IMO Ping was a similar character. Not bad blokes, just not blokes youd follow into battle.

I dont believe the captain has to be the "nice guy" in the team. Thats what the "media" like though.

As I said Nate Pyles would be my 1st choice. But after what happened this season thats not gonna happen, Gallop would cry.

Look at The JuanFarkAlls. Gallen may have that media rep of being a grub but its pretty obvious his teammates would bleed for the carnt.

We really missed the boat with Mozz. Im sure hed have stayed and led us if the coach at the time made him the captain. Hes doing a great job in the UK leading his team around.

I wonder if in the future Maubs would make a good club captain???

[Guest]

Thats why I asked "Who is that person in our club???" mate.

Im not sure, I dont mix with the players or sit in the dressingroom. I just have given my opinion on what ive heard and what I have observed from afar.

From what people say who do seem to know what goes on Mason is the sort of character other players seem to follow.Bwaiff on the other hand comes across to me as a bloke who isnt that well respected by his peers. IMO Ping was a similar character. Not bad blokes, just not blokes youd follow into battle.

I dont believe the captain has to be the "nice guy" in the team. Thats what the "media" like though.

As I said Nate Pyles would be my 1st choice. But after what happened this season thats not gonna happen, Gallop would cry.

Look at The JuanFarkAlls. Gallen may have that media rep of being a grub but its pretty obvious his teammates would bleed for the carnt.

We really missed the boat with Mozz. Im sure hed have stayed and led us if the coach at the time made him the captain. Hes doing a great job in the UK leading his team around.

I wonder if in the future Maubs would make a good club captain???

I agree that it does not have to be a nice guy or a media darling

But it should go to someone who puts in every week imho

[stsae]

I agree that it does not have to be a nice guy or a media darling

But it should go to someone who puts in every week imho

But do we see what players put in at training or behind the scenes???

And im not prepared to write Mason off just cos of stats mate. I dont expect anyone coming back from a knee reco to throw up massive tackle counts or eat big metres.

IMO hes been used wrongly for a long time under Freddo. Hes never been a player who has had a big workrate. He also never should be used as a battering ram. Hes too easy for other big men to hit running straight up the middle, hes too tall for that. If hes able to run on the fringes he can isolate 1/2s and he has a good offload if hes followed by quick players like Mini.

Look at Creagh. What a difference a smart coach has made by just positioning the bloke differently. Soward also.

I dont dislike Bwaiff. He busts his arse weekly. But I never agreed with him being made captain. Some players dont respond well to the extra pressure. Some do and I reckon Mason really could be one of those.

Maybe Bwaiff moving from being our main playmaker will help, giving him less responsibility. Fitzy wasnt a natural captain but has developed into one. Freddo was the same.

[stephenj]

jake the rake!

[Cockadoodledoo]

Daniel Conn.... The extra responsibility may keep him from getting injured.