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  • Boyd Cordner & forward pack

    Just a few comments on the back of Friday nights game, curious to see where people see Boyd's future

    - Firstly I think Cordner proved on Friday that he's a much better edge player than he is middle third player. For those who remember Cordner was playing on the left during the trials and scored a carbon copy of his first try running off Pearce in the Foundation Cup (beautiful line running). Based on his frame and the ability he'd shown prior I thought he was a sure thing to play left second row but with SBW coming into the team he was shifted to lock.

    This isn't so much a criticism of what he's provided us in the first half of the season so much as it is a massive wrap of just how good he looks on the edges. Very few players in the game can actually play both in the middle third & on the edges (both in attack and defence) at a First Grade level so let me reiterate this is in no way a criticism of Cordner.

    - Secondly we learnt or rather got absolute confirmation that SBW is a first class ball player, equal to many halves in the competition. A roaming role is a must for SBW, he creates so many opportunities for us in attack. But it's clear someone needs to defend at lock and attack on the edges whilst SBW attacks a lock and defends on the edges.

    - Mitchell Aubusson is almost exclusively a right sided player imo, at least whilst Pearce still plays predominantly right side in attack. I love him, he's a great attacking weapon when used properly and really shores up our defensive line but he just doesn't have the ball playing skills to get Jennings early ball or create space for him and Maloney (who predominately plays left side) is a lot better with a second rower who's a good ball player/creates a lot of second phase play. It's just not a good fit.

    - FPN is a much better lock than he is front rower, some of his short passing around the ruck with SBW on Friday was first class (think back to the try FPN set SBW up with in round 1). They've quite clearly got the skills and great understanding between each other but if FPN's playing lock then that hinders SBW's ability to roam, the catch 22 here is if FPN's playing front row his primary role is to make metres which means he's not going to be the ball playing threat he can be in attack.

    With all that in mind I'm curious to see what everyone thinks is our best forward pack going forward... Robbo must have a huge headache because every possible team I come up with neglects a real strength of our team.

  • #2
    Well the backrow rotation has been predominantly:

    Left - Aubusson
    Right - SBW
    Tight - Cordner
    Bench - Guerra

    But based on FPN's form, he could potentially nab a spot off Guerra. Might not be as mobile but his impact is great when playing well. JWH, Kennedy, Moa and O'Donnell are our best props, but both O'Donnell and Tasi are off-contract at the end of this year so...

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    • #3
      I'm sorry, I thought locks weren't ball players R6? I thought ball playing was the role of the 2nd row, and locks were just metre eaters?

      How does Nigel Plum fit into this new play making lock style that you have suddenly discovered?

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      • #4
        Good thread starter R6

        You've explained the challenges in getting the back row mix right,

        I believe the talent as well as the versatility & synergy which exists amonst our forwards is a resource beyond what we've had in many seasons, the blend is palpable.

        However, utilising our weapons appropriately is the key, a horses for courses approach depending on who we play seems logical....no better example was our adjusted lineup against the dogs

        they were bamboozled until late in the game & adjusted all too late,

        we have a highly versatile back row who with the direction of Robbo are going to cause BIG headaches for even the most astute coaches.

        For me its pointless attempting to name the ideal positions per specific players, I accept some are much better in certain areas of the ruck but hey Robbo tipped the backline on its head, swapped the halves, had Sonny on the left initially which seems to have freshened up their minds a touch....

        they apply the disciplines, get the simple stuff done & allow themselves to think outside the box by creating entertaining football thats hard to defend.....a key ingredient on our path to winning the title....our roosters are fast becoming the most feared, & with good reason
        "Qui audet adipiscitur"

        WHO DARES WINS

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Danish View Post
          I'm sorry, I thought locks weren't ball players R6? I thought ball playing was the role of the 2nd row, and locks were just metre eaters?

          How does Nigel Plum fit into this new play making lock style that you have suddenly discovered?
          A good lock doesn't need to be a good ball player. It's a secondary attribute.

          Primarily Plum is an exceptional defender and a very good metre eater. The fact that he's not a ball player doesn't make him a bad player, which was the point being argued.

          You seem to think that all locks should be the same which is quite an ignorant view, there is no 'lock style'. Every lock is different and the role they play or are required to play is usually dependent on what best suits the team.

          Fundamentally so long as a lock is a strong defender (because they are defending middle field & are required to make large tackle counts) then what they do in attack is unique to each side.

          Take our team for example, Robbo has established a really strong rotation of props who all get through a big workload in attack and defence (defence being very underrated on this forum, Kennedy & JWH continually make 30 tackles a game). SBW & Cordner when they play on the fringes also take a lot of runs & RTS + Toops are very good out of dummy half on our tackle 2 plays. Given all this we don't really require our lock to help out with the yardage sets, FPN only really needs to help out when we're on the back foot and he's great at it (his carries are usually 10m+ every time).

          This allows us the opportunity to play SBW in a roaming role and switching our lock to the edges or playing FPN and encouraging him to play short balls around the middle and act as a tap on player to other forwards or halves in anticipation for backline movements.

          Teams who struggle for go forward on the other hand need a lock who purely helps out with the go forward or a lock who purely helps out with the defence. No lock role is the same, you're naive if you truly believe what you wrote.

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          • #6
            I'd love to see something like;

            8. JWH
            9. Friend
            10. LOD
            11. Cordner (left)
            12. Aubusson (right)
            13. SBW (roaming)

            14. Mortimer
            15. Moa (hear me out)
            16. Kennedy
            17. FPN (playing time at 2RF/lock)

            Number 15 would raise a few eyebrows, but I think more and more we are seeing top line front rowers come off the bench for a big impact. Moa off the bench could provide a huge impact ala Fifita at the Sharks or Matulino for the Warriors the last month or so. He showed he can change the game against the Warriors and he would still get the same minutes off the bench, just in a different order. I know he's proven he can start with a bang too but I felt at some stages early on we lost a bit of momentum when JWH and Moa both came off within 5 minutes of each other.

            LOD and Kennedy have improved their game recently so it might not be as big a deal anymore but we won't know until JWH is actually back. But imagine having to deal with JWH for 20 odd minutes only for Moa to come out along side FPN. It would be hell for the opposition imo.
            Last edited by Roostarz; 06-23-2013, 11:44 PM.

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            • #7
              I think it should be

              11. Cordner- Left
              12. Maubs- Right
              13. SBW- Roaming
              15. FPN- Comes on for Cordner, switches between middle third and left edge.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Mack View Post
                Well the backrow rotation has been predominantly:

                Left - Aubusson
                Right - SBW
                Tight - Cordner
                Bench - Guerra

                But based on FPN's form, he could potentially nab a spot off Guerra. Might not be as mobile but his impact is great when playing well. JWH, Kennedy, Moa and O'Donnell are our best props, but both O'Donnell and Tasi are off-contract at the end of this year so...
                O'Donnell has been great for the last month or so, I think it just took him a while to get back into the pace & physicality of the NRL, he's a must for a bench spot.

                Guerra's definitely the odd one out at the moment but like I mentioned if FPN is playing lock you can't really justify SBW playing a roaming role anymore because you're handicapping the right edge with no second rower.

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                • #9
                  to think we have tasi, guerra, evens, napa and others in the wings.... with casty on his way...

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                  • #10
                    In Roosters' jersey for the rest of his career.

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                    • #11
                      wait to see where they fit the French connection in this.
                      does lod leave
                      does Frankie chase bigger money
                      does Guerra and arona go or stay at the jets
                      kane napa liu are the future
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                      • #12
                        It's actually good to see (finally) some depth.
                        A lot of talent competing for starting spots, rather than only performing when their contract is due for a review.

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                        • #13
                          This season:

                          JWH
                          Friend
                          Moa
                          Cordner
                          Aubusson (not sure TR wants to change his defensive combination with MJ though)
                          SBW (looks ready to roam full-time)

                          Mortimer
                          Kennedy
                          LOD
                          FPN (far better option than Guerra imo)

                          Next year:

                          JWH
                          Friend
                          Casty (get the feeling he will carve up)
                          Cordner
                          Aubusson
                          SBW

                          Morts/Langi (gives us cover in so many positions, will be in the side somewhere by next year)
                          Evans/Napa/Kennedy (probably in that order by next year if MK doesn't work on his weaknesses)
                          Moa
                          Liu (Can't see FPN staying even though he's in superb form, will get offered big big money in Canberra to play prop, will be a very astute purchase too. But got massive raps on Isaac Liu to replace him in that bench lock/prop role, watch him off the ball compared to other prop/locks, he constantly supports any forward running near him, is so quick to get back the 10, never misses his assignment in defence, is strong in the wrestle, has a heap of speed before and through the line which gets big metres real quick, plays the ball fast, doesn't make errors or give penalties, and has one of the best left arm offloads i've seen, once he cements his place in the team and really gets up to speed with the NRL he'll pull out this weapon and we'll score a heap of tries off it. If you want another example other than Sonny of a bloke doing the one percenters Isaac Liu is it).

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                          • #14
                            That's what it should be for this year Yak.

                            Sonny must be able to roam. In defense I would share the load with Cordner in the middle.

                            I just don't know how they will use FPN off the bench though? He has been great.

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                            • #15
                              Why do we need to make changes or become set on anyone for the rest of the year? Competition breeds success and we've got a winning formula at present.

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